prankster reading the Bible and people thought it was the Quran

[WelshBloke]

"Secular values" is not the solution, either. I recall one of the most (if not THE most) bloodiest centuries on record being the MOST secular century, the 20th.

That's more to do with increasing military technology than anything else.

That said there's been some pretty bloody bits of ancient history.

I'm saying it makes no sense to condemn people for"following" their religion and then also condemn them for NOT "following" it.

Anyone "following" their religion are deemed terrorists, and those not are called "liars".

You're missing the point.

What's the point in following a religion when you don't actually believe it?

You have to admit that it's a weird logical position to take. You believe in a god that doesn't make mistakes but you don't believe what he says.

If you pick and choose bits of a religion at what point does it stop being that religion and because something different?

 

[Retro Rob]

That's more to do with increasing military technology than anything else.

But that technology wasn't created for religious reasons...

What's the point in following a religion when you don't actually believe it?

Who doesn't follow it? I don't know much about the 'Koran', but I know something about the Bible.

If any people are guilty of not following their religion, it's Orthodox Jews. The OT recounts Jewish history and laws THEY were under, and the NT is about the founding of Christianity and the Laws Christ put them under.

If you want to trot out the "no hither of the law (Jewish Law) shall pass away" nonsense, keep in mind that Jesus death nullified the OT Law as binding on Christians.

You have to admit that it's a weird logical position to take. You believe in a god that doesn't make mistakes but you don't believe what he says.

What?

If you pick and choose bits of a religion at what point does it stop being that religion and because something different?

What are you talking about? You don't even understand why Christians don't follow the OT -- as a matter of fact, MOST of you don't.

Tell you what, do some research on WHY Jesus died (accord to Christian belief). Here's a hint: The Jewish law was a tutor to Christ, meaning that it was meant to teach Israel WHY they needed a Savior. It was impossible for the Jews to hold up the letter of the Law, but the point was to show exactly why the Law needed to be replaced.

This is basic Christian teaching, BASIC stuff.

 

[WelshBloke]

But that technology wasn't created for religious reasons...

I dont believe I ever said it was.

Who doesn't follow it? I don't know much about the 'Koran', but I know something about the Bible.

If any people are guilty of not following their religion, it's Orthodox Jews. The OT recounts Jewish history and laws THEY were under, and the NT is about the founding of Christianity and the Laws Christ put them under.

If you want to trot out the "no hither of the law (Jewish Law) shall pass away" nonsense, keep in mind that Jesus death nullified the OT Law as binding on Christians.



What?



What are you talking about? You don't even understand why Christians don't follow the OT -- as a matter of fact, MOST of you don't.

Tell you what, do some research on WHY Jesus died (accord to Christian belief). Here's a hint: The Jewish law was a tutor to Christ, meaning that it was meant to teach Israel WHY they needed a Savior. It was impossible for the Jews to hold up the letter of the Law, but the point was to show exactly why the Law needed to be replaced.

This is basic Christian teaching, BASIC stuff.

So which bits do Christians not need to follow?

I presume the bat shit insane bits of Leviticus are out? The crazy shit in Deuteronomy?

What about the 10 commandments?

What about those "turn the other cheek" bits? I'm sure every Christian in the US is a pacifist?

The bits about giving your riches away? Not being rich? Not swearing oaths? Not marrying divorced women? Giving up all your fancy shit?

All the Christians in the US do that?

 

[Retro Rob]

I dont believe I ever said it was.




So which bits do Christians not need to follow?

I presume the bat shit insane bits of Leviticus are out? The crazy shit in Deuteronomy?

What about the 10 commandments?

What about those "turn the other cheek" bits? I'm sure every Christian in the US is a pacifist?

The bits about giving your riches away? Not being rich? Not swearing oaths? Not marrying divorced women? Giving up all your fancy shit?

All the Christians in the US do that?

Thanks for letting me know you have no interest in learning anything, other than just repeating those same ignorant atheist platitudes....

 

[GagHalfrunt]

What are you talking about? You don't even understand why Christians don't follow the OT -- as a matter of fact, MOST of you don't.

Tell you what, do some research on WHY Jesus died (accord to Christian belief). Here's a hint: The Jewish law was a tutor to Christ, meaning that it was meant to teach Israel WHY they needed a Savior. It was impossible for the Jews to hold up the letter of the Law, but the point was to show exactly why the Law needed to be replaced.

This is basic Christian teaching, BASIC stuff.

Bullshit. Christians don't follow the OT because they know it's complete idiocy.

Please point out the part of your religion that allows YOU to decide which parts of the bible are the actual word of god, which parts are allegory meant to impart a lesson and which parts you're free to ignore at your own discretion. I've done plenty of research (far more than you I reckon) and your band of pedophiles in funny hats can't come up with a single shred of evidence to show that Jesus even existed let alone why he supposedly was murdered by his own father. But that's a different debate. This debate is the fact that you, and every other so-called Christian on the planet is a fake. Religion is an all-or-nothing proposition. You either believe it or you don't. And 99.9999% of Christians don't. You treat the bible like an a la carte menu selecting the few items that you want to believe and you throw out the vast majority of your big book of fairy tales because you don't like what it says. You use tiny bits of scripture to excuse your hatred of others, to get gods justification for the sins you want to commit and to delude yourself into thinking you're gods special little person even though you intentionally ignore almost all of what he says. If you believed in the Christian god you'd believe in the Christian concept of hell and the eternal damnation god will sentence you to as a demonstration of how much he loves you. And you'd live your live according to the book that contains what you believe are his words. And you don't. It's that simple. You have created this silly fiction for why you ignore the bible and the bible itself, not even the NT, does not grant you that power to decide which parts you obey and which parts you ignore. You don't follow the bible because you don't fear the consequences of not following it. The laws of man and the laws of god are 100% contradictory on many things and you live your life according to the laws of man because you do fear the consequences of breaking the laws of man by doing the things the law of god commands.

You're a fake. You're a pretend Christian and you know it. You don't live your life according to how the bible tells you to live it.

 

[Retro Rob]

Bullshit. Christians don't follow the OT because they know it's complete idiocy.

Please point out the part of your religion that allows YOU to decide which parts of the bible are the actual word of god, which parts are allegory meant to impart a lesson and which parts you're free to ignore at your own discretion. I've done plenty of research (far more than you I reckon) and your band of pedophiles in funny hats can't come up with a single shred of evidence to show that Jesus even existed let alone why he supposedly was murdered by his own father. But that's a different debate. This debate is the fact that you, and every other so-called Christian on the planet is a fake. Religion is an all-or-nothing proposition. You either believe it or you don't. Any 99.9999% of Christians don't. You throw out the vast majority of your big book of fairy tales because you don't like what it says. You pick out tiny bits of scripture to excuse your hatred of others, to get gods justification for the sins you want to commit and to delude yourself into thinking you're gods special little person even though you intentionally ignore almost all of what he says. If you believed in the Christian god you'd believe in the Christian concept of hell and the eternal damnation god will sentence you to as a demonstration of how much he loves you. And you'd live your live according to the book that contains what you believe are his words. Any you don't. It's that simple. You have created this silly fiction for why you ignore the bible and the bible itself, not even the NT, does not grant you that power to decide which parts you obey and which parts you ignore. You don't follow the bible because you don't fear the consequences of not following it. The laws of man and the laws of god are 100% contradictory on many things and you live your life according to the laws of man because you do fear the consequences of breaking the laws of man by doing the things the law of god commands.

You're a fake. You're a pretend Christian and you know it. You don't live your life according to how the bible tells you to live it.

Hey look, it's another dumbass....

 

[BudAshes]

Hey look, it's another dumbass....

He's right though. Calling him a dumbass might make you feel better but it doesn't change reality.

 

[Retro Rob]

He's right though. Calling him a dumbass might make you feel better but it doesn't change reality.

If you think he's right, you're even more clueless.

Gaghalfrunt's post and position is non-negotiable.

No need to attempt to reply to it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Thanks for letting me know you have no interest in learning anything, other than just repeating those same ignorant atheist platitudes....

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The bits after the 10 commandments are in the NT aren't they?

If 'christians' dont have to believe the NT and the OT whats left of the religion?

 

[soulcougher73]

I guess what I'm saying is that its a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" with these people.

You don't "follow" your religion, you're a hypocrite and a liar. You "follow" it, and you're a subhuman terrorist.

Yeah pretty much. Glad you finally see that.

 

[crashtech]

nm

 

[sandorski]

I guess what I'm saying is that its a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" with these people.

You don't "follow" your religion, you're a hypocrite and a liar. You "follow" it, and you're a subhuman terrorist.

You are misunderstanding/strawmanning things again.

However, you freely choose to follow that book and a religion based off it. Don't get mad at us for simply pointing things out about it.

 

[Ruptga]

You are misunderstanding/strawmanning things again.

However, you freely choose to follow that book and a religion based off it. Don't get mad at us for simply pointing things out about it.

But our facts are infringing on his right to freedom of religion. How's he supposed to continue selectively ignoring his god's instructions when we keep reminding him about them?

 

[zinfamous]

I guess what I'm saying is that its a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" with these people.

You don't "follow" your religion, you're a hypocrite and a liar. You "follow" it, and you're a subhuman terrorist.

 

[zinfamous]

Fair.



"Secular values" is not the solution, either. I recall one of the most (if not THE most) bloodiest centuries on record being the MOST secular century, the 20th.

Actually, it's only the most secular century because humanity has been trending that way for a very long time now. Also the world is getting far less bloody. Wars of the twentieth century have been far less bloody than wars of previous centuries (in fact, the twentieth was the least bloody century ever--less murder, less killing in all wars compared to each century. This is a widely known fact, often discussed in various threads here; particularly when guns are involved)

so, that's strange. I think then, you would have to support the argument that greater secularism leads to less violence.

 

[Franz316]

I've always been curious to know that when a person chooses only to obey certain parts of the book, does that make them less of a Christian? Who sets the rules on such a thing? Why is it allowed to change over time with no concern for the original text?

 

[lxskllr]

I've always been curious to know that when a person chooses only to obey certain parts of the book, does that make them less of a Christian? Who sets the rules on such a thing? Why is it allowed to change over time with no concern for the original text?

That makes them not a Christian at all. You follow the book, or you don't; and it all applies. According to the book, Jesus says all that wacky old testament stuff is still valid. Why is it done this way? Hypocrisy, and flawed reasoning faculties.

 

[MongGrel]

If you think he's right, you're even more clueless.

Gaghalfrunt's post and position is non-negotiable.

No need to attempt to reply to it.

Ramen.

 

[WelshBloke]

Ramen.

I'm going to that party!!

 

[Grooveriding]

 

[soulcougher73]

lol

 

[zinfamous]

 

[GagHalfrunt]

If you think he's right, you're even more clueless.

Gaghalfrunt's post and position is non-negotiable.

No need to attempt to reply to it.

No need to attempt to reply to it when you'd only make yourself look more stupid. You don't live your live according to the words in the Bible. Period.

Now an intelligent person would look at the Bible as a collection of atrocities committed by a power-hungry psychopath masquerading as a god and laugh it away as a collection of the most violent fairy tales on earth. So that person would not believe a word of it.

A less intelligent person might blame themselves for being too weak to grow a backbone and live their life according to what god says he wants.

Only the monumentally stupid would somehow blame the contradiction between their words and their actions as somehow being my fault. You need to decide why exactly you're ignoring the bible and inventing your own little pseudo-religion excuse your own actions. Is your god simply too evil to truly follow or are you weak to follow his desires because it would get you into trouble with the laws of man? One way or the other, your intentional disregard for the teaching of your invisible man in the sky is because of your failings or his failings, it most assuredly has nothing to do with me.

 

[Ns1]

I guess what I'm saying is that its a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" with these people.

You don't "follow" your religion, you're a hypocrite and a liar. You "follow" it, and you're a subhuman terrorist.

glad we can agree that religion doesn't make sense.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I guess what I'm saying is that its a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" with these people.

You don't "follow" your religion, you're a hypocrite and a liar. You "follow" it, and you're a subhuman terrorist.

I know you were trying to make some sort of point there and meant that facetiously, but inadvertently that's the ONLY intelligent thing you've ever managed to say about religion. That is EXACTLY right. And if you have a problem with that paradox, talk to your invisible man about it. Ask him why it's impossible to follow his words and remain a moral, law-abiding human being. They're his words, he should be able to explain it to you.

You don't follow the bible while claiming to believe it. That makes you a hypocrite and a liar. If you did live your life according to the demands it makes you would be a terrorist, a criminal, a murderer and a subhuman. It truly is that simple. That's why you have chosen to intentionally disregard the things about it you don't like.