Pox parties? Now there's a wacky idea.

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http://tvguide.webmd.com/content/article/112/110552.htm******=rss_tvguide

It sounds like a plot line from The Simpsons. In fact, it is a plot line from The Simpsons.

Surprisingly, pox parties are popping up in neighborhoods in several U.S. cities. On Internet bulletin boards and blogs, rumors spread that the chickenpox vaccine is somehow unsafe or ineffective. Parents worried by these rumors join email rings. When one of these parents' children gets chickenpox, the parents invite others in the community to a pox party.

But a safe and effective chickenpox vaccine is part of the recommended childhood vaccination series. It keeps 85% of vaccinated kids from ever getting the illness, says chickenpox virus expert Anne A. Gershon, MD, director of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at New York's Columbia University.

"In a time when we have the chickenpox vaccine available -- one of the safest vaccines we have ever had, and one that works very well -- there is no point in exposing your child to the natural infection," Gershon tells WebMD.

A Dangerous Recipe

A "natural mothering" web site gives a recipe for spreading varicella zoster virus -- the chickenpox germ. It advises parents to pass a whistle from the infected child to other children.

"It is absolute lunacy," UCLA infectious disease specialist Peter Katona, MD, tells WebMD.

Adults who get chickenpox for the first time get a much more serious disease than do children. But even for children, chickenpox isn't a walk in the park. And every once in a while, a child gets a very serious form of the disease. One in 50,000 kids gets a brain infection that causes retardation or death. And itchy chickenpox blisters can get infected with dangerous bacteria.

"Imagine losing a child because you were dumb enough to bring him to a pox party," Gershon says.



How wacky is this?
 
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It's nothing new, and it's not really a big deal. As long as they get it young, or are immunized, they're good to go.
 

MrChad

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I can remember this sort of thing going on when I was a kid in the '80s. Parents would much rather their child get chicken pox at a young age rather than wait until adulthood.

That said, I agree with the quote in the article that it seems unnecessary given a proven vaccine that's readily available.
 

dug777

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I'd rather my kid have it harmlessly while young, rather than be part of that whopping 15% that the vaccine doesn't protect who gets it in later life, when it really fscks you up...
 

Sphexi

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It was on Southpark, I don't remember it on the Simpsons though. Still stupid as hell.
 

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Yeah, I can remember my mom making me drink out of the same kid as a kid that had the chickenpox.. I got it a couple of days later, too. :Q
 

Amused

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Before the vaccine, pox parties were a very good idea. It was MUCH better to get CP when young, rather than old.

However, it is simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.
 

Iron Woode

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I found the "natural mothering" website mentioned.

OMG what a bunch idiots.

check out their "debunking" of the posted article:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?p=5162496

I love this quote in the chicken pox section:

"After my granddaughter had chickenpox my daughter and I had the following conversation [note, I had seen her shortly before the chickenpox and then shortly afterwards]

Me: My goodness she has really changed suddenly. What a developmental, social jump!

Her: Yeah.

Me: Could it have anything to do with the chickenpox?

Her: I've noticed, every time she has a good solid fever for at least 24 hours it is followed by a developmental leap. Interesting, isn't it?

So, besides the fact that suppressing fevers can actually damage kids, letting fevers do their thing may be truly helpful. There was an article about the benefits of fevers in Mothering a little while ago.

Side question from a steaming grandma...what are the benefits of hot flashes?

Nana"
 

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This wouldn't be such a problem had they not started putting mercury into vaccines. :roll:
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...
 

Sphexi

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Ah yes, a website full of untrained, unknowledgeable, gossipy moms. Definitely a better source of information than say, medical journals and real doctors.
 

JM Aggie08

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my mom had me play with my sister when i got them first so she could get them out of the way for her...
 

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...
my dad had the chicken pox as a kid and developed shingles later on. Nasty stuff.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...

Wait untril you're in your 60s, 70s and 80s... or faced with a serious illness.

Shingles affects the elderly, and immunosuppressed people... with many getting repeated bouts of it.

And let me tell you, the shingles is a million times worse than CP. It makes you feel like every bone in the area is broken, the skin is on fire, and all the muscles and tendons are torn to shreds. It's THAT painful.

And you'll get to enjoy that when you are at your weakest. When you're very sick from another illness, or very old and frail.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...

Wait untril you're in your 60s, 70s and 80s.

Shingles affects the elderly, and immunosuppressed people... with many getting repeated bouts of it.

And let me tell you, the shingles is a million times worse than CP. It makes you feel like every bone in the area is broken, the skin is on fire, and all the muscles and tendons are torn to shreds. It's THAT painful.

And you'll get to enjoy that when you are at your weakest. When you're very sick from another illness, or very old and frail.



Can shingles be prevented?

Immunisation with the varicella vaccine can protect people from chickenpox. The vaccine involves a single injection for children under 12 and two injections for teenagers and adults. However, there is no evidence that immunisation against chickenpox will prevent shingles later in life.



 

Amused

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...

Wait untril you're in your 60s, 70s and 80s.

Shingles affects the elderly, and immunosuppressed people... with many getting repeated bouts of it.

And let me tell you, the shingles is a million times worse than CP. It makes you feel like every bone in the area is broken, the skin is on fire, and all the muscles and tendons are torn to shreds. It's THAT painful.

And you'll get to enjoy that when you are at your weakest. When you're very sick from another illness, or very old and frail.



Can shingles be prevented?

Immunisation with the varicella vaccine can protect people from chickenpox. The vaccine involves a single injection for children under 12 and two injections for teenagers and adults. However, there is no evidence that immunisation against chickenpox will prevent shingles later in life.

They say that because there hasn't been enough time to prove it.

But let's figure this out here:

The CP virus is the same virus that causes shingles. It lies dormant in the body and comes out along nerve trunk lines when the patient's immunity os compromised.

No CP virus means no shingles.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...

Wait untril you're in your 60s, 70s and 80s.

Shingles affects the elderly, and immunosuppressed people... with many getting repeated bouts of it.

And let me tell you, the shingles is a million times worse than CP. It makes you feel like every bone in the area is broken, the skin is on fire, and all the muscles and tendons are torn to shreds. It's THAT painful.

And you'll get to enjoy that when you are at your weakest. When you're very sick from another illness, or very old and frail.



Can shingles be prevented?

Immunisation with the varicella vaccine can protect people from chickenpox. The vaccine involves a single injection for children under 12 and two injections for teenagers and adults. However, there is no evidence that immunisation against chickenpox will prevent shingles later in life.

They say that because there hasn't been enough time to prove it.

But let's figure this out here:

The CP virus is the same virus that causes shingles. It lies dormant in the body and comes out along nerve trunk lines when the patient's immunity os compromised.

No CP virus means no shingles.

um, doesn't the immunization contain the CP virus?
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...

Wait untril you're in your 60s, 70s and 80s.

Shingles affects the elderly, and immunosuppressed people... with many getting repeated bouts of it.

And let me tell you, the shingles is a million times worse than CP. It makes you feel like every bone in the area is broken, the skin is on fire, and all the muscles and tendons are torn to shreds. It's THAT painful.

And you'll get to enjoy that when you are at your weakest. When you're very sick from another illness, or very old and frail.



Can shingles be prevented?

Immunisation with the varicella vaccine can protect people from chickenpox. The vaccine involves a single injection for children under 12 and two injections for teenagers and adults. However, there is no evidence that immunisation against chickenpox will prevent shingles later in life.

They say that because there hasn't been enough time to prove it.

But let's figure this out here:

The CP virus is the same virus that causes shingles. It lies dormant in the body and comes out along nerve trunk lines when the patient's immunity os compromised.

No CP virus means no shingles.

um, doesn't the immunization contain the CP virus?

A severely weakened form of the virus. Which leads many researchers to believe that it will lessen, or eliminate altogether the bouts of shingles people will get later.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...

Wait untril you're in your 60s, 70s and 80s.

Shingles affects the elderly, and immunosuppressed people... with many getting repeated bouts of it.

And let me tell you, the shingles is a million times worse than CP. It makes you feel like every bone in the area is broken, the skin is on fire, and all the muscles and tendons are torn to shreds. It's THAT painful.

And you'll get to enjoy that when you are at your weakest. When you're very sick from another illness, or very old and frail.



Can shingles be prevented?

Immunisation with the varicella vaccine can protect people from chickenpox. The vaccine involves a single injection for children under 12 and two injections for teenagers and adults. However, there is no evidence that immunisation against chickenpox will prevent shingles later in life.

They say that because there hasn't been enough time to prove it.

But let's figure this out here:

The CP virus is the same virus that causes shingles. It lies dormant in the body and comes out along nerve trunk lines when the patient's immunity os compromised.

No CP virus means no shingles.

I get ya, however i'm not so sure it's that simple, or the site i got that on surely would have come to the same conclusion as you...if that makes sense? That 85% isn't so hot, but it's better than nothing...

this might interest you too:


In 2006, the Food and Drug Administration approved a VZV vaccine (Zostavax) for use in people 60 and older who have had chickenpox. When the vaccine becomes more widely available, many older adults will for the first time have a means of preventing shingles. Researchers found that giving older adults the vaccine reduced the expected number of later cases of shingles by half. And in people who still got the disease despite immunization, the severity and complications of shingles were dramatically reduced.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...

Wait untril you're in your 60s, 70s and 80s.

Shingles affects the elderly, and immunosuppressed people... with many getting repeated bouts of it.

And let me tell you, the shingles is a million times worse than CP. It makes you feel like every bone in the area is broken, the skin is on fire, and all the muscles and tendons are torn to shreds. It's THAT painful.

And you'll get to enjoy that when you are at your weakest. When you're very sick from another illness, or very old and frail.



Can shingles be prevented?

Immunisation with the varicella vaccine can protect people from chickenpox. The vaccine involves a single injection for children under 12 and two injections for teenagers and adults. However, there is no evidence that immunisation against chickenpox will prevent shingles later in life.

They say that because there hasn't been enough time to prove it.

But let's figure this out here:

The CP virus is the same virus that causes shingles. It lies dormant in the body and comes out along nerve trunk lines when the patient's immunity os compromised.

No CP virus means no shingles.

um, doesn't the immunization contain the CP virus?

A severely weakened form of the virus. Which leads many researchers to believe that it will lessen, or eliminate altogether the bouts of shingles people will get later.


It seems to me that it would have just as good of a chance of reducing the immunity to shingles.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Simply absurd now that there is a perfectly safe vaccine.

In fact, subjecting your kids to the chickenpox now dooms them to the pain and misery of the shingles later in life.

If every kid was immunized, chickenpox could be eradicated like smallpox was.

This irrational fear mongering over vaccines must stop.

In this case, 15% is a huge chance to take given what adult chickenpox is like...whereas the risk of chickenpos doing you any harm as a kid is tiny in comparison.

I've had it, as have most people i know, and none of us have shingles, or that i'm aware are any more likely to get shingles...

Wait untril you're in your 60s, 70s and 80s.

Shingles affects the elderly, and immunosuppressed people... with many getting repeated bouts of it.

And let me tell you, the shingles is a million times worse than CP. It makes you feel like every bone in the area is broken, the skin is on fire, and all the muscles and tendons are torn to shreds. It's THAT painful.

And you'll get to enjoy that when you are at your weakest. When you're very sick from another illness, or very old and frail.



Can shingles be prevented?

Immunisation with the varicella vaccine can protect people from chickenpox. The vaccine involves a single injection for children under 12 and two injections for teenagers and adults. However, there is no evidence that immunisation against chickenpox will prevent shingles later in life.

They say that because there hasn't been enough time to prove it.

But let's figure this out here:

The CP virus is the same virus that causes shingles. It lies dormant in the body and comes out along nerve trunk lines when the patient's immunity os compromised.

No CP virus means no shingles.

um, doesn't the immunization contain the CP virus?

A severely weakened form of the virus. Which leads many researchers to believe that it will lessen, or eliminate altogether the bouts of shingles people will get later.


It seems to me that it would have just as good of a chance of reducing the immunity to shingles.

You don't "catch" the shingles. The singles is the CP virus you caught originally that has been dormant in your body for years.
 

JM Aggie08

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quit quoting you retards, we obviously know what the hell you are arguing against :p
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: JM Aggie08
quit quoting you retards, we obviously know what the hell you are arguing against :p

STFU, n00blet ;)

Seriously, you have to at least quote the post you are replying too, and it's much quicker to just hit 'quote' and reply to the whole lot...

/lazyness