Powerwall Install

Brovane

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I had been interested in the Tesla Powerwall when it had first come out and got even more interested once the Powerwall 2 version was released with the built-in inverter. In late 2016 I found out about the California SGIP program which provided incentives. http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/sgip/

The CPUC's Self-Generation Incentive Program (SGIP) provides incentives to support existing, new, and emerging distributed energy resources. SGIP provides rebates for qualifying distributed energy systems installed on the customer's side of the utility meter. Qualifying technologies include wind turbines, waste heat to power technologies, pressure reduction turbines, internal combustion engines, microturbines, gas turbines, fuel cells, and advanced energy storage systems.

I looked into the program which historically had mainly been used by Commercial enterprises looking to install larger systems. However with the Tesla Powerwall 2 for battery storage it looked like over 50%+ of my system cost would be covered by a rebate back from the state. Since part of my monthly utility bill went into bucket to pay for this, I kind of figured hell why not. So after some further research I called Tesla. Tesla first claimed to never have heard of the SGIP program, which I explained the program to the sales person she then claimed it only applied to Commercial installs. So I found another company Swell Energy that had knowledge of the program and was willing to fill out all the paperwork the rebate required. So I found myself putting down a $500 deposit to reserve 2 Powerwalls with Swell. The entire episode with Tesla was a bit amusing because later in February of 2017 it was like somebody at Tesla realized that they could use the SGIP rebate to help sell Powerwall systems and they started to work with the program.

It took a while in 2017 for the CPUC to figure out how to handle the large amount of residential customers wanting to use the program to order Home Residential Battery storage. Swell got all thje paperwork filled with the state of CA and a $11k rebate was reserved for me. I then waited a long time for the Powerwall's to get shipped from Tesla but over the last couple of weeks I got the two Powerwall 2's installed and some changes to my house wiring.
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My old breaker box has become essentially just a junction box and all my circuits are now wired into the box on the left which has completely replaced my old main panel. The panel in the center is the Tesla Gateway which manages the power flow and is also a ATS (Automatic Transfer Switch) for the system. The panel on the far right is the new generation panel. The batteries and my PV system are wired into this box. In the event of grid power loss the battery system can acts as a whole house backup and the Solar System will continue to charge the batteries if the sun is out. Normally PV inverters go offline in the event of loss of power to the grid. However the Tesla gateway tricks the inverters into thinking grid power is still online and they will continue to supply power. The two Tesla Powerwall's are mounted side by side and have a total of 27 kwh of storage.

However the main usage of the system is for power shifting for the TOU rate plan. I can charge the batteries in the morning when the Sun is peaking and then use the batteries into the afternoon-evening while the grid demand is at the highest to minimize my electrical draw during these peak times. During the summer months SCE (Sothern California Edison) for TOU, the rate is 48 cents kwh from 2pm-8pm. From 10pm-8am it is only 12 cents kwh. So only a daily basis the Powerwall units will allow me to very effectively time shift my electrical usage from the grid to the cheaper parts of the day.

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Here is a snap shot of my electrical usage yesterday.

The blue parts represents the electrical usage for my residence. The first one is when the oven came on to cook dinner. You can then clearly see on the far right the second spike when my car charger came online later in the evening. The EV charger has a time of use function built into the charger. I have the charger to setup to only charge between 11pm-7am. This allows me to plug the car in but it will not start charging until 11pm.

The yellow part is solar generation.

The green represents battery usage. So below the baseline represents the charging of the battery system which was completed around noon. Then as the PV production goes down you can see the battery usage increase and you can see to large peaks. The first one is when the oven came on to cook dinner. The larger spike later in the evening is from EV charger starting, draws about 6 kw's (27A x 220v). I have the battery system set to reserve about 40% in-case of power failure so the batteries don't get drawn all the way down. I am still playing around with this setting a bit.

The grey represents grid pull and push. You can see the load early in the morning and then as solar production increases it completely takes overall the house load and then the excess power charges the battery. As the battery is charged to 100% then the excess power is feed back into the grid.

A recent code update from Tesla makes available TOU settings but my system hasn't received it yet. This is supposed to better optimize the system to take into account TOU.



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Greenman

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So the net cost of the system was $22k before the rebate? How many years until you break even?
 

Brovane

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So the net cost of the system was $22k before the rebate? How many years until you break even?

The total cost was $20k with a $11k rebate and then I get to claim ITC on my Federal taxes on the remaining so my Net Cost is about $6k, so my break-even should be about 6-years.
 
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Greenman

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The total cost was $20k with a $11k rebate and then I get to claim ITC on my Federal taxes on the remaining so my Net Cost is about $6k, so my break-even should be about 6-years.
Not bad. Without those rebates it wouldn't be worth doing though.

Drop a post now and then on how the system is working out for you and if there are any issues. I'm always interested in tech that isn't a novelty or toy.
 

Brovane

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Curious what the breakeven point is on your entire system including the panels?

The break even point on the panels was about 5-years but the solar had been installed several years ago. If you install the Panels and Batteries together there would be some cost savings.

The biggest cost savings would be for new construction since you could just have the house wiring setup to support batteries+solar during construction. There was considerable cost around $5k for all the electrical work required. They had a total of 8 man days of labor over 4 days involved in the installation. I would think that as they get more familiar with the product then install cost would go down.

I would also like to emphasize that Swell had inflated prices over other installers like Tesla, which was charging about $16.5k for 2 powerwalls and installation. However due to the nature of the SGIP program once I went with Swell I was locked into using them and if I switched I would loose my place in line for the rebate and since the rebate was considerable I didn't want to chance loosing the rebate.
 
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Cool stuff! I second Greenman's request for some follow up posts every now and then. Super interested in this technology but can't currently afford it right now.
 

Brovane

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Update - 1+ year in.

I did have a issue with one PW that required a RMA replacement by Tesla.

My electrical bill has basically been zeroed out now. After the RMA replacement the units have worked as exactly as advertised. The cut-over in the event of a power failure is so quick my clocks don't even drop.

Over the last year I have received the TOU update and also storm-watch. Storm-watch mode fully charges the battery in the event that weather could cause a power failure. It activated during the high wind events in CA.

I have also done some testing by cutting off power to my house with my main breaker. My Solar Panels continue to operate and will charge my PW's. I was able to run my house completely off-grid over a 48-hour period. When the batteries go full, the PW controller shuts down the Solar Inverters. If the batteries drain down a couple % the PW controller turns back on the Inverters.

Especially with the latest talk in CA about shutting down power when we have dangerous fire conditions I am glad to have the additional security of the PW units.