Powerbook G4 vs. Centrino 1.6GHz

swanky

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Hi,

I don't want to start a fight here, but I've been fortunate enough to have had two laptops this last week.

1) 15" Powerbook: 1.33GHz, 768MB RAM, Radeon 9700 64MB, 80GB HD - 5400 rpm)

2) HP zt3131: 15" display, 1.6GHz P-M, 512 MB, Radeon 9200 64MB, 60GB HD - 4200 rpm)


And I've been reading a lot of questions about "how fast is the G4 compared to a PC?" So I thought it would be a good idea to write down some of my impressions from this last week. But first, a little bit of background information. The reason I have two laptops is that I want a portable computer for Photoshop, web design and normal office applications. Since I have a 1,33GHz T-bird on my desktop computer which satisfy my "need for speed", I don't need a screamingly fast notebook. All I'm looking for is something that's enjoyable to use and "fast enough". As for OS X vs. XP, I don't really care. XP has been good to me, never had any troubles. I use a firewall and anti-virus software, and that takes care of whatever is floating around out there.

I will not be presenting numbers here. No benchmarks, no fps. Just impressions.

The programs I normally use are:

- Photoshop 7
- Macromedia Studio MX 2004
- MS Office

Photoshop 7
This was actually much more of a close call than I would have expected. The HP was faster, but we're not talking about different leagues here. Mostly I just do small stuff, I'm not using 20 filters.

Macromedia Studio MX 2004
Oh my, where should I begin? Fireworks is more or less OK on both machines. Flash was slow on the Powerbook. Not unusable, but not really what I did expect from ANY 1.33GHz machine, G4 or Pentium. Dreamweaver, well let's take a closer look at that one. Now, some of you may know that there is an upgrade available from Macromedia. This was supposed to take care of some of the problems people had when running the software on a Mac. When I say problems I'm reffering to the fact that it was dog slow. I downloaded this upgrade before I even opened the program. But even then Dreamweaver was a complete turkey. I really should have videotaped it. All you guys (and girls) who are using Dreamweaver on a Windows machine - you ain't seen nuthin'! It was hilarious! I constantly had to ask myself what I was doing, did I actually open that menu, or didn't I? Hmmm.................... Oh, there it is. I timed it, 7 seconds to open a menu! Importing pictures from Fireworks? Have a cup of coffee while you wait... At one point I had 7-8 windows open at the same time, and I wanted to save all files - I might as well have flown to Columbia and picked the coffee beans myself. It actually felt like I was running the program on a Celeron 300 with 64 MB RAM. I'm not kidding you.

The HP flew through this suite. No problems.

I've spent some time on different Mac forums, and this seems to be the consensus - Dreamweaver is more or less unusable on the Mac. So I'm not going to hang this one on Apple, this is clearly a Macromedia issue.


Games
I installed a couple of demos on the Powerbook - UT2004 and Halo. Even with the Radeon 9700 I had to lower the resolution and settings to play them at all. And it was not what you would call fun. The HP managed to play UT2004 at native resolution (1280x800), while I had to lower res/settings to be able to enjoy Halo. Well, we all knew, didn't we?

MS Office
No problems on either of the machines, and the Mac version looks better too! When opening a couple of large spreadsheets (55,000 rows) I did notice that the HP was faster. In normal use I don't think it will matter at all.

To sum it all up
The P-M's got more "ooomph", there's no question about it. On some tasks you will notice it, on others it's hardly worth mentioning.

But if you look around, you'll see all these Mac users beeing totally happy with their machines. How can that be? Well, one thing I noticed when I compared the Powerbook to my desktop was that it is good at multitasking. Since I only have 256MB of RAM on my desktop machine, I usually will experience slowdowns. Not crashing, but the machine will spend a little while in it's own world and I'll have to watch and wait before doing anything else. Not so with the Powerbook, I could always switch to other programs, open new ones, etc. I'm trying not to use the word "flow", but the Powerbook feels like a "smooth ride". It just keeps on grinding, albeit slower than the P-M.

How will I be able to pick one?
Let's see what we've got... We have one machine (HP) that will handle whatever I throw at it. It's running an OS that I'm familiar with (and like) - Windows XP, it is solidly built, weighs about 3 kg's and I can even play games on it. On the other hand I have a "slower" machine, which will not run Dreamweaver (one of the programs I need to use, and it costs more. Shouldn't be too hard to decide, eh? Well, I'm having problems... I think I'm in love with the Powerbook. I'm actually considering switching to hand coding html just to keep it. And it's bugging me. The rational part of my brain keeps telling me to get the HP (since it actually does what I need a notebook to do (and more!), but my heart tells me to keep the Powerbook. And this is not because the HP is ugly or anything. It's a little bit bigger than the Powerbook, but not enough for it to be an issue.

At the end of the day, I can't really see myself picking up the Powerbook. To me it's not worth it, buying a new computer that's incapable of running the software I want. IF Macroemedia had done a better job with the MX 2004 suite, I might have chosen differently. So the Mac is going back (borrowed it from out IT dept.). The HP stays.

To those of you that took the time to read through this, I would appreciate your comments.
 

manko

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Thanks, it was interesting to read your real world impressions. The HP would probably be even snappier with a faster 5,400 or 7,200 RPM drive.
 

biostud

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I was thinking about buying the zt3131 although the 9200 seemed a little on low side. You say it plays through UT2K4 fine? at what settings.

I really like the look of the zt3131 and would have bought it if it had a 9600 or 9700, I still hope HP will make one :(

What is your general impression of the zt3131?
 

swanky

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Originally posted by: biostud666
I was thinking about buying the zt3131 although the 9200 seemed a little on low side. You say it plays through UT2K4 fine? at what settings.

I really like the look of the zt3131 and would have bought it if it had a 9600 or 9700, I still hope HP will make one :(

What is your general impression of the zt3131?

I played UT2004 at 1280*800 - normal settings. Some stuttering, but no big problems.

The zt3131 feels solid, but it ain't no Powerbook...
 

biostud

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Originally posted by: swanky
Originally posted by: biostud666
I was thinking about buying the zt3131 although the 9200 seemed a little on low side. You say it plays through UT2K4 fine? at what settings.

I really like the look of the zt3131 and would have bought it if it had a 9600 or 9700, I still hope HP will make one :(

What is your general impression of the zt3131?

I played UT2004 at 1280*800 - normal settings. Some stuttering, but no big problems.

The zt3131 feels solid, but it ain't no Powerbook...

Nope but for different reasons I would like to have an x86 based machine. I was considering a dell 8600c although it's just not as good looking as the zt3131.
 

mrweirdo

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one reason for the microsoft apps being a bit faster is because in windows they preload into mem and this is not done on the mac so they will seem to load up a bit sooner on xp.
 

preslove

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Aren't there different web design programs for mac? Look around for better software than dreamweaver.
 

swanky

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Originally posted by: biostud666


Nope but for different reasons I would like to have an x86 based machine. I was considering a dell 8600c although it's just not as good looking as the zt3131.

A friend of mine has the 8600. I can tell you straight up the HP is better looking. If I'm not wrong the 8600 is about 10mm thicker as well. It sure feels like a big lump. But this is only my opinion.
 

ceo2b

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Originally posted by: preslove
Aren't there different web design programs for mac? Look around for better software than dreamweaver.

I agree with the upper post and the sluggishness you probably are observing with Dreamweaver is due to Macromedia not making enough efforts to build the studio suite truly tailored to Mac OS. It's pretty unfair that just because this third-party software performs slowly, it is gauranteed to do so in every other major application.
 

alisajid

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Well, as an Aluminum Book (15" G4) user, the four big negatives I have observed are:

- Keeping this hunk of metal while compiling software burns me in areas I do not wish to overheat (not kidding).[/list]
- The gaming performance is sub-par. See barefeats for their reviews.
- The battery life is lame (3hrs).
- Single button mouse

BUT, the user experience is amazing. OSX is rock solid: no crashes yet. I can do most of my development/project work on it, without having to worry about things like installing the right kernel module to get my sound card running. The display is crystal clear, and no other laptop comes in at less than 6lbs with a 15" wide-screen display.

Much as I love my Alu Book, as soon as I saw the new IBM T42's, I'm beginning to have second thoughts.
 

jdogg707

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I love my new Powerbook, it's the best laptop I have ever owned. As far as stuff I use, it works well with Office 2004 and is very solid when coding. I love Mac's, but they aren't for gaming, personally I don't see why anyone would want to game on a laptop they expected to actually carry with them. If Apple laptops were 9lb. hunks of metal I might have a different perspective, but it's a very portable laptop that performs great! I think the T42's from IBM are going to be sweet, but they hold a higher price premium than Powerbook's do! Anyway, I love this Mac and don't plan on going back to a Windows laptop anytime soon!
 

swanky

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Originally posted by: ceo2b


I agree with the upper post and the sluggishness you probably are observing with Dreamweaver is due to Macromedia not making enough efforts to build the studio suite truly tailored to Mac OS. It's pretty unfair that just because this third-party software performs slowly, it is gauranteed to do so in every other major application.

Yup. I wouldn't have had any problems at all keeping the Powerbook if the Macromedia suite was performing adequately. But to me, right now, picking up a $2000 (actually it's more like $2700 here in Norway) laptop that doesn't do what I need it to do, would be rather foolish. I could go with Adobe's GoLive!, but it doesn't measure up at all.
 

addragyn

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Possible alternatives to MM DW, or Golive, on OS X are:

Stone Studio

Freeway Pro

Both are downloadable as demos.

It's like $275 to get the PB with 128MB VRAM and a bump to 1.5GHz. I wonder if the $$ would be worth it for you.
 

aakerman

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amazing that the HP manages to win, even with that 4200 rpm hd - huge bottleneck.

(8600 is ugly)
 

dcdomain

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Thanks for the information! Recently I spec'ed out a Powerbook and Thinkpad T42. To my horror the T42 commanded a HUGE price premium compared to the Powerbook... and at that point I was going to go with the Powerbook.

But I've been a die hard PC guy... and even without the widescreen I was trying to find some reason to go with the T42. Got a special deal on it from the thinkpad forums... so I guess I'm sticking with PC's.

One thing though... did you try playing any music, or DVDs with the two laptops? I would think the Powerbook would be a much better performer right?
 

biostud

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For some reason good look, Centrino, 9600 and widescreen just doesn't mix :( or apperently that's what the manufacters think.
 

jdogg707

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With this experiment, did you set the Energy Saver to Highest Performance? I find that no matter what, games play like a$$ on automatic, I think the CPU may scale to full speed but the 9700 doesn't. On my 1.5GHZ I am enjoying everything quite a bit, it's a great laptop for what I needed...something fast, descent battery life, and small/light enough to carry around. I have played UT2K4 at 1024x768 with normal settings and it plays alright, nothing fast, but fair enough. Warcraft plays great on it. I really didn't buy it for gaming, I figure if i had wanted gaming I could have gone with the Dell Inspiron 9100 or XPS and gotten a lot more performance...while also lugging around an extra five pounds and getting half the battery life.

Gotta get what works for you, and if the Powerbook doesn't do what you need it to, use the Centrino! I mean heck, the Centrino started out faster, so I don't see why anyone would think it wouldn't perform the best in processor intensive apps. The G4 is outdated when compared to newer processors like the Centrino, once the G5 gets into a laptop, it should become a bit more even. I know I'll be selling my current laptop and purchasing the G5 pretty quick!
 

swanky

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Originally posted by: jdogg707
With this experiment, did you set the Energy Saver to Highest Performance? I find that no matter what, games play like a$$ on automatic, I think the CPU may scale to full speed but the 9700 doesn't. On my 1.5GHZ I am enjoying everything quite a bit, it's a great laptop for what I needed...something fast, descent battery life, and small/light enough to carry around. I have played UT2K4 at 1024x768 with normal settings and it plays alright, nothing fast, but fair enough. Warcraft plays great on it. I really didn't buy it for gaming, I figure if i had wanted gaming I could have gone with the Dell Inspiron 9100 or XPS and gotten a lot more performance...while also lugging around an extra five pounds and getting half the battery life.

Gotta get what works for you, and if the Powerbook doesn't do what you need it to, use the Centrino! I mean heck, the Centrino started out faster, so I don't see why anyone would think it wouldn't perform the best in processor intensive apps. The G4 is outdated when compared to newer processors like the Centrino, once the G5 gets into a laptop, it should become a bit more even. I know I'll be selling my current laptop and purchasing the G5 pretty quick!

Yes, I set the machine to high performance, but for most of the time, I was running this machine plugged in.
 

swanky

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Originally posted by: dcdomain

One thing though... did you try playing any music, or DVDs with the two laptops? I would think the Powerbook would be a much better performer right?

Well, I did listen to some music (streaming), but I cant say I noticed any major differences between the machines.
 

ch424

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I've tried both the Dell 8600, and the pb 1.5 . I must say that I prefer the looks/weight of the pb, but I like way that my battery lasts for about four and a half hours playing ut2k3 @ 1920x1200 + full settings @40FPS :p My screen is far nicer than my friends 15.2" PB one.

I belive that the Dell latitude D800 is the same as the 8600, but much ligher/thinner, and at a more apple-like price. (+£100-200 on Inpiron 8600 price)

ch424