Power is shifting from Judges to Prosecutors: It's the electorate's fault

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While everyone is debating the excessive power Aaron Swartz's had on him, which led him to take his own life over something so ridiculous, let's remember that the electorate is to blame for this mess. As the (old, but good) article below shows, power has shifted from judges to prosecutors.

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Rough justice in America
Too many laws, too many prisoners

Never in the civilised world have so many been locked up for so little
Jul 22nd 2010 | Spring, Texas |From the print edition



THREE pickup trucks pulled up outside George Norris's home in Spring, Texas. Six armed police in flak jackets jumped out. Thinking they must have come to the wrong place, Mr Norris opened his front door, and was startled to be shoved against a wall and frisked for weapons. He was forced into a chair for four hours while officers ransacked his house. They pulled out drawers, rifled through papers, dumped things on the floor and eventually loaded 37 boxes of Mr Norris's possessions onto their pickups. They refused to tell him what he had done wrong. “It wasn't fun, I can tell you that,” he recalls.

Mr Norris was 65 years old at the time, and a collector of orchids. He eventually discovered that he was suspected of smuggling the flowers into America, an offence under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species. This came as a shock. He did indeed import flowers and sell them to other orchid-lovers. And it was true that his suppliers in Latin America were sometimes sloppy about their paperwork. In a shipment of many similar-looking plants, it was rare for each permit to match each orchid precisely.

In March 2004, five months after the raid, Mr Norris was indicted, handcuffed and thrown into a cell with a suspected murderer and two suspected drug-dealers. When told why he was there, “they thought it hilarious.” One asked: “What do you do with these things? Smoke 'em?”

Prosecutors described Mr Norris as the “kingpin” of an international smuggling ring. He was dumbfounded: his annual profits were never more than about $20,000. When prosecutors suggested that he should inform on other smugglers in return for a lighter sentence, he refused, insisting he knew nothing beyond hearsay.

He pleaded innocent. But an undercover federal agent had ordered some orchids from him, a few of which arrived without the correct papers. For this, he was charged with making a false statement to a government official, a federal crime punishable by up to five years in prison. Since he had communicated with his suppliers, he was charged with conspiracy, which also carries a potential five-year term.

As his legal bills exploded, Mr Norris reluctantly changed his plea to guilty, though he still protests his innocence. He was sentenced to 17 months in prison. After some time, he was released while his appeal was heard, but then put back inside. His health suffered: he has Parkinson's disease, which was not helped by the strain of imprisonment. For bringing some prescription sleeping pills into prison, he was put in solitary confinement for 71 days. The prison was so crowded, however, that even in solitary he had two room-mates.

A long love affair with lock and key

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Justice is harsher in America than in any other rich country. Between 2.3m and 2.4m Americans are behind bars, roughly one in every 100 adults. If those on parole or probation are included, one adult in 31 is under “correctional” supervision. As a proportion of its total population, America incarcerates five times more people than Britain, nine times more than Germany and 12 times more than Japan. Overcrowding is the norm. Federal prisons house 60% more inmates than they were designed for. State lock-ups are only slightly less stuffed.

The system has three big flaws, say criminologists. First, it puts too many people away for too long. Second, it criminalises acts that need not be criminalised. Third, it is unpredictable. Many laws, especially federal ones, are so vaguely written that people cannot easily tell whether they have broken them.

In 1970 the proportion of Americans behind bars was below one in 400, compared with today's one in 100. Since then, the voters, alarmed at a surge in violent crime, have demanded fiercer sentences. Politicians have obliged. New laws have removed from judges much of their discretion to set a sentence that takes full account of the circumstances of the offence. Since no politician wants to be tarred as soft on crime, such laws, mandating minimum sentences, are seldom softened. On the contrary, they tend to get harder.

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Some criminals belong behind bars. When a habitual rapist is locked up, the streets are safer. But the same is not necessarily true of petty drug-dealers, whose incarceration creates a vacancy for someone else to fill, argues Alfred Blumstein of Carnegie Mellon University. The number of drug offenders in federal and state lock-ups has increased 13-fold since 1980. Some are scary thugs; many are not.

Michelle Collette of Hanover, Massachusetts, sold Percocet, a prescription painkiller. “I was planning to do it just once,” she says, “but the money was so easy. And I thought: it's not heroin.” Then she became addicted to her own wares. She was unhappy with her boyfriend, she explains, but did not want to split up with him, because she did not want their child to grow up fatherless, as she had. So she popped pills to numb the misery. Before long, she was taking 20-30 a day.

When Ms Collette and her boyfriend, who also sold drugs, were arrested in a dawn raid, the police found 607 pills and $901 in cash. The boyfriend fought the charges and got 15 years in prison. In a plea bargain Ms Collette was sentenced to seven years, of which she served six.

“I don't think this is fair,” said the judge. “I don't think this is what our laws are meant to do. It's going to cost upwards of $50,000 a year to have you in state prison. Had I the authority, I would send you to jail for no more than one year…and a [treatment] programme after that.” But mandatory sentencing laws gave him no choice.

Massachusetts is a liberal state, but its drug laws are anything but. It treats opium-derived painkillers such as Percocet like hard drugs, if illicitly sold. Possession of a tiny amount (14-28 grams, or ½-1 ounce) yields a minimum sentence of three years. For 200 grams, it is 15 years, more than the minimum for armed rape. And the weight of the other substances with which a dealer mixes his drugs is included in the total, so 10 grams of opiates mixed with 190 grams of flour gets you 15 years.

Ms Collette underwent drug treatment before being locked up, and is now clean. But in prison she found she was pregnant. After going through labour shackled to a hospital bed, she was allowed only 48 hours to bond with her newborn son. She was released in March, found a job in a shop, and is hoping that her son will get used to having her around.

Rigid sentencing laws shift power from judges to prosecutors, complains Barbara Dougan of Families Against Mandatory Minimums, a pressure-group. Even the smallest dealer often has enough to trigger a colossal sentence. Prosecutors may charge him with selling a smaller amount if he agrees to “reel some other poor slob in”, as Ms Dougan puts it. He is told to persuade another dealer to sell him just enough drugs to trigger a 15-year sentence, and perhaps to do the deal near a school, which adds another two years.

Severe drug laws have unintended consequences. Less than half of American cancer patients receive adequate painkillers, according to the American Pain Foundation, another pressure-group. One reason is that doctors are terrified of being accused of drug-trafficking if they over-prescribe. In 2004 William Hurwitz, a doctor specialising in the control of pain, was sentenced to 25 years in prison for prescribing pills that a few patients then resold on the black market. Virginia's board of medicine ruled that he had acted in good faith, but he still served nearly four years.

Half the states have laws that lock up habitual offenders for life. In some states this applies only to violent criminals, but in others it applies even to petty ones. Some 3,700 people who committed neither violent nor serious crimes are serving life sentences under California's “three strikes and you're out” law. In Alabama a petty thief called Jerald Sanders was given a life term for pinching a bicycle. Alabama's judges are elected, as are those in 32 other states. This makes them mindful of public opinion: some appear in campaign advertisements waving guns and bragging about how tough they are.

Watching hairs go white, and lifetimes ebb away

Many Americans assume that white-collar criminals get off lightly, but many do not. Granted, they may be hard to catch and can often afford good lawyers. But federal prosecutors can file many charges for what is essentially one offence. For example, they can count each e-mail sent by a white-collar criminal in the course of his criminal activity as a separate case of wire fraud, each of which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years. The decades soon add up. Sentences depend partly on the size of the loss and the number of people affected, so if you work for a big, publicly traded company, you break a rule and the share-price drops, watch out.

Eternal punishment

Jim Felman, a defence lawyer in Tampa, Florida, says America is conducting “an experiment in imprisoning first-time non-violent offenders for periods of time previously reserved only for those who had killed someone”. One of Mr Felman's clients, a fraudster called Sholam Weiss, was sentenced to 845 years. “I got it reduced to 835,” sighs Mr Felman. Faced with such penalties, he says, the incentive to co-operate, which means to say things that are helpful to the prosecution, is overwhelming. And this, he believes, “warps the truth-seeking function” of justice.

Innocent defendants may plead guilty in return for a shorter sentence to avoid the risk of a much longer one. A prosecutor can credibly threaten a middle-aged man that he will die in a cell unless he gives evidence against his boss. This is unfair, complains Harvey Silverglate, the author of “Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent”. If a defence lawyer offers a witness money to testify that his client is innocent, that is bribery. But a prosecutor can legally offer something of far greater value—his freedom—to a witness who says the opposite. The potential for wrongful convictions is obvious.

Badly drafted laws create traps for the unwary. In 2006 Georgia Thompson, a civil servant in Wisconsin, was sentenced to 18 months in prison for depriving the public of “the intangible right of honest services”. Her crime was to award a contract (for travel services) to the best bidder. A firm called Adelman Travel scored the most points (on an official scale) for price and quality, so Ms Thompson picked it. She ignored a rule that required her to penalise Adelman for a slapdash presentation when bidding. For this act of common sense, she served four months. (An appeals court freed her.)

The “honest services” statute, if taken seriously, “would seemingly cover a salaried employee's phoning in sick to go to a ball game,” fumes Antonin Scalia, a Supreme Court justice. The Supreme Court ruled recently that the statute was so vague as to be unconstitutional. It did not strike it down completely, but said it should be applied only in cases involving bribery or kickbacks. The challenge was brought by Enron's former boss, Jeff Skilling, who will not go free despite his victory, and Conrad Black, a media magnate released this week on bail pending an appeal, who may.

There are over 4,000 federal crimes, and many times that number of regulations that carry criminal penalties. When analysts at the Congressional Research Service tried to count the number of separate offences on the books, they were forced to give up, exhausted. Rules concerning corporate governance or the environment are often impossible to understand, yet breaking them can land you in prison. In many criminal cases, the common-law requirement that a defendant must have a mens rea (ie, he must or should know that he is doing wrong) has been weakened or erased.

“The founders viewed the criminal sanction as a last resort, reserved for serious offences, clearly defined, so ordinary citizens would know whether they were violating the law. Yet over the last 40 years, an unholy alliance of big-business-hating liberals and tough-on-crime conservatives has made criminalisation the first line of attack—a way to demonstrate seriousness about the social problem of the month, whether it's corporate scandals or e-mail spam,” writes Gene Healy, a libertarian scholar. “You can serve federal time for interstate transport of water hyacinths, trafficking in unlicensed dentures, or misappropriating the likeness of Woodsy Owl.”

“You're (probably) a federal criminal,” declares Alex Kozinski, an appeals-court judge, in a provocative essay of that title. Making a false statement to a federal official is an offence. So is lying to someone who then repeats your lie to a federal official. Failing to prevent your employees from breaking regulations you have never heard of can be a crime. A boss got six months in prison because one of his workers accidentally broke a pipe, causing oil to spill into a river. “It didn't matter that he had no reason to learn about the [Clean Water Act's] labyrinth of regulations, since he was merely a railroad-construction supervisor,” laments Judge Kozinski.

Society wants retribution

Such cases account for only a tiny share of the Americans behind bars, but they still matter. When so many people are technically breaking the law, it is up to prosecutors to decide whom to pursue. No doubt most prosecutors choose wisely. But members of unpopular groups may not find that reassuring. Ms Thompson, for example, was prosecuted just before an election, at a time when allegations of public corruption in Wisconsin were in the news. Some prosecutors, such as Eliot Spitzer, the disgraced ex-governor of New York, have built political careers by nailing people whom voters don't like, such as financiers.

Prison deters? Not much, not the worst

Some people argue that the system works: that crime has fallen in the past two decades because the bad guys are either in prison or scared of being sent there. Caged thugs cannot break into your home. Bernie Madoff's 150-year sentence for running a Ponzi scam should deter imitators. And indeed the crime rate continues to drop, despite the recession, as Michael Rushford of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, an advocacy group, points out. This, he says, is because habitual criminals face serious consequences. Some research supports him: after raking through decades of historical data, John Donohue of Yale Law School estimates that a 10% increase in imprisonment brings a 2% reduction in crime.

Others disagree. Using more recent data, Bert Useem of Purdue University and Anne Piehl of Rutgers University estimate that a 10% increase in the number of people behind bars would reduce crime by only 0.5%. In the states that currently lock up the most people, imprisoning more would actually increase crime, they believe. Some inmates emerge from prison as more accomplished criminals. And raising the incarceration rate means locking up people who are, on average, less dangerous than the ones already behind bars. A recent study found that, over the past 13 years, the proportion of new prisoners in Florida who had committed violent crimes fell by 28%, whereas those inside for “other” crimes shot up by 189%. These “other” crimes were non-violent ones involving neither drugs nor theft, such as driving with a suspended licence.

And now the reckoning, in dollars

Crime is a young man's game. Muggers over 30 are rare. Ex-cons who go straight for a few years generally stay that way: a study of 88,000 criminals by Mr Blumstein found that if someone was arrested for aggravated assault at the age of 18 but then managed to stay out of trouble until the age of 22, the risk of his offending was no greater than that for the general population. Yet America's prisons are crammed with old folk. Nearly 200,000 prisoners are over 50. Most would pose little threat if released. And since people age faster in prison than outside, their medical costs are vast. Human Rights Watch, a lobby-group, talks of “nursing homes with razor wire”.

Jail is expensive. Spending per prisoner ranges from $18,000 a year in Mississippi to about $50,000 in California, where the cost per pupil is but a seventh of that. “[W]e are well past the point of diminishing returns,” says a report by the Pew Center on the States. In Washington state, for example, each dollar invested in new prison places in 1980 averted more than nine dollars of criminal harm (using a somewhat arbitrary scale to assign a value to not being beaten up). By 2001, as the emphasis shifted from violent criminals to drug-dealers and thieves, the cost-benefit ratio reversed. Each new dollar spent on prisons averted only 37 cents' worth of harm.

Since the recession threw their budgets into turmoil, many states have decided to imprison fewer people, largely to save money. Mississippi has reduced the proportion of their sentences that non-violent offenders are required to serve from 85% to 25%. Texas is making greater use of non-custodial penalties. New York has repealed most mandatory minimum terms for drug offences. In all, the number of prisoners in state lock-ups fell by 0.3% in 2009, the first fall since 1972. But the total number of Americans behind bars still rose slightly, because the number of federal prisoners climbed by 3.4%.

A less punitive system could work better, argues Mark Kleiman of the University of California, Los Angeles. Swift and certain penalties deter more than harsh ones. Money spent on prisons cannot be spent on more cost-effective methods of crime-prevention, such as better policing, drug treatment or probation. The pain that punishment inflicts on criminals themselves, on their families and on their communities should also be taken into account.

“Just by making effective use of things we already know how to do, we could reasonably expect to have half as much crime and half as many people behind bars ten years from now,” says Mr Kleiman. “There are a thousand excuses for failing to make that effort, but not one good reason.”

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PokerGuy

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I agree with most of the article, the power has shifted to prosecutors. The way the laws are, if a prosecutor really wants to go after you, he/she can crush you for even relatively small offenses.

Minimum sentencing rules remove discretion from the judge, which seems like a bad idea. However, I think they came about largely because of many cases where idiot judges let people off with very light sentences for more serious crimes. Not sure what's worse in this case, the cure or the disease.
 

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I agree with most of the article, the power has shifted to prosecutors. The way the laws are, if a prosecutor really wants to go after you, he/she can crush you for even relatively small offenses.

We've also made litigation incredibly expensive unless you go the public defender route. You can destroy someone's life financially even if they are found innocent. It's an interesting cultural thing as well. Watch any crime drama and that damn lawyer and those damn rights just keep getting in the way of putting away the bad guy.
 

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We've also made litigation incredibly expensive unless you go the public defender route. You can destroy someone's life financially even if they are found innocent.

:thumbsup: Absolutely agree with that, and it extends well beyond the criminal law world as well. The cost of litigation can be used to effectively crush someone even when they're completely in the right.
 

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We've also made litigation incredibly expensive unless you go the public defender route. You can destroy someone's life financially even if they are found innocent. It's an interesting cultural thing as well. Watch any crime drama and that damn lawyer and those damn rights just keep getting in the way of putting away the bad guy.

you bring up 2 good points.

1) the cost of litigation is expensive. Some use this as a tactic such as the MPAA and RIAA. they send you letter saying they have proof that you are downloading. You then have a choice. pay $4k to them or they sue you.

2) crime drama's have caused people to get stupid. Would you believe there are such stupid people that now believe if you claim the 5th you are guilty? amazing i know. i was shocked to find there are such stupid people.
 

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From comments
http://boingboing.net/2009/10/05/swat-team-raids-orch.html

Some additional context:
http://www.ens-newswire.com/en...
"Arias Silva admitted selling several shipments of orchids to George Norris between January 1999 and October 2003. Arias Silva allegedly would obtain a CITES permit for the shipment that authorized the export of a certain numbers of artificially propagated specimens of particular species of orchids.
At the alleged instruction of Norris, Arias Silva would then allegedly include in the shipment specimens of species not included on the CITES permit, which he would falsely label as a species listed on the permit.
Arias Silva would then allegedly provide to Norris a code that would provide a means for deciphering the false labels and identify the true species of the orchids. In some instances, Arias Silva allegedly shipped orchids that were collected from the wild rather than artificially propagated. "
I can't say any of this sounds like it required a SWAT team but, if the allegations are true, it does seem like he was knowingly violating the law. He may have felt that he was only side-stepping unnecessary regulation but it doesn't seem like an accidental paperwork oversight.
[SIZE=+1]Orchid Smuggler Sentenced to 21 Months in Prison[/SIZE]
MIAMI, Florida, July 28, 2004 (ENS) - A Peruvian orchid smuggler has been sentenced to 21 months in jail with three years supervised release and ordered to pay a fine of $5000 for conspiracy to import the orchids and lying to federal officals about his activities. U.S. District Judge Patricia Seitz handed down the sentence in Miami Tuesday. Manuel Arias Silva earlier had pleaded guilty to his role in a conspiracy to import into the U.S. protected orchids, including specifically specimens of the genus Phragmipedium, commonly known as Tropical Lady�s Slipper Orchids.
All species of orchids are protected under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES).
Arias Silva admitted selling several shipments of orchids to George Norris between January 1999 and October 2003. Arias Silva allegedly would obtain a CITES permit for the shipment that authorized the export of a certain numbers of artificially propagated specimens of particular species of orchids.
At the alleged instruction of Norris, Arias Silva would then allegedly include in the shipment specimens of species not included on the CITES permit, which he would falsely label as a species listed on the permit.
Arias Silva would then allegedly provide to Norris a code that would provide a means for deciphering the false labels and identify the true species of the orchids. In some instances, Arias Silva allegedly shipped orchids that were collected from the wild rather than artificially propagated.
One shipment in February 2003 allegedly included some 1,145 specimens, of which 490 were of species not authorized for export by the accompanying CITES permit.
The investigation of this case was led by Special Agents of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, with assistance from the Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection Service.
Norris, Arias Silva�s co-conspirator, is scheduled to be sentenced on September 2.


http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-11th-circuit/1355209.html
 

CrackRabbit

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:thumbsup: Absolutely agree with that, and it extends well beyond the criminal law world as well. The cost of litigation can be used to effectively crush someone even when they're completely in the right.

The tactic of crushing people with the cost of litigation isn't anything new at all, and is very likely not even limited to being new to the last century.
 

PokerGuy

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The tactic of crushing people with the cost of litigation isn't anything new at all, and is very likely not even limited to being new to the last century.

I didn't say it was new, but it's definitely becoming worse because the cost of litigation is higher now. If you end up getting in a protracted legal battle or end up accused of some crime and need real representation, you're going to spend a LOT of money on it. Doesn't seem right.
 

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I didn't say it was new, but it's definitely becoming worse because the cost of litigation is higher now. If you end up getting in a protracted legal battle or end up accused of some crime and need real representation, you're going to spend a LOT of money on it. Doesn't seem right.

I'll agree to both points.
Do you think this is a side effect of the cost of education? Becoming a lawyer is quite expensive.
 

Exterous

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I'll agree to both points.
Do you think this is a side effect of the cost of education? Becoming a lawyer is quite expensive.

I think that is part of the reason. I think the other part is the complexity of the laws and legal process. I've taught myself how to do a lot of things and like to think I am a very smart guy - however if push came to shove would I bet my freedom on the fact that I wouldn't overlook a tiny loophole/caveat/technicality that could land me in jail? Nope. People value freedom at a very high price and are willing to pay a lot to retain it
 

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American law is simple. Make it large and complex enough that everyone is violating it somehow, someway. Then when you catch public attention the wrong way, if someone in power doesn't like you, it's goodbye - legally. I firmly believe it's designed to take and ruin lives.
 

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I think that is part of the reason. I think the other part is the complexity of the laws and legal process. I've taught myself how to do a lot of things and like to think I am a very smart guy - however if push came to shove would I bet my freedom on the fact that I wouldn't overlook a tiny loophole/caveat/technicality that could land me in jail? Nope. People value freedom at a very high price and are willing to pay a lot to retain it

Politicians that have nothing to do than make laws are also part of the problem. More governing bodies need to be like the Texas legislature where they meet briefly once every two years or during emergency sessions.
 

Dari

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American law is simple. Make it large and complex enough that everyone is violating it somehow, someway. Then when you catch public attention the wrong way, if someone in power doesn't like you, it's goodbye - legally. I firmly believe it's designed to take and ruin lives.

Add the fact that you may be in violation of the law without even knowing it and you have a recipe for entrapment from money-hungry politicians, or worse...
 

PokerGuy

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Add the fact that you may be in violation of the law without even knowing it and you have a recipe for entrapment from money-hungry politicians, or worse...

That's another piece that really bothers me about the huge (and ever increasing) set of laws. The fact is that the average person has no realistic way to know what laws they're breaking on a regular basis. You should be able to know for certain what is legal and what isn't ... and the fact that it's virtually impossible to do that means the legal system is waaaaay to big and complex.
 

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Politicians that have nothing to do than make laws are also part of the problem. More governing bodies need to be like the Texas legislature where they meet briefly once every two years or during emergency sessions.

As someone who worked for the Texas Legislature for over a decade, I'd personally say you don't have a clue.

The Texas Legislature is almost always in crisis management mode, due to ongoing problems that they haven't been able to deal with promptly. And legislating under pressure during crises is a golden road to poor law.

Though you can make the argument that Texas legislators are so bad, that having them there less is actually a good thing. The bonehead list is strong indeed....
 

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We've also made litigation incredibly expensive unless you go the public defender route. You can destroy someone's life financially even if they are found innocent. It's an interesting cultural thing as well. Watch any crime drama and that damn lawyer and those damn rights just keep getting in the way of putting away the bad guy.

I'm sure it differs from state to state, but you're not provided with a public defender unless you're poor. If you're a middle class American with any assets, expect to be living in the street if a prosecutor wants to bolster his career on your back.
 

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Except orchid smuggling is far and away exception, not the rule. And the solution isn't fewer laws; it's better, clearer ones.

Fact is, the ability of the legal profession to substantially and aggressively prosecute and sue is vital to our democracy; it is the people's last line of defense against those (usually large corporations) that attempt an end-run around Congress by weakening the laws already on the books by taking the enforcing power out of those laws through bullshit like expansive tort reform. Laws have to have teeth, they have to have consequences.
 
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As someone who worked for the Texas Legislature for over a decade, I'd personally say you don't have a clue.

The Texas Legislature is almost always in crisis management mode, due to ongoing problems that they haven't been able to deal with promptly. And legislating under pressure during crises is a golden road to poor law.

Though you can make the argument that Texas legislators are so bad, that having them there less is actually a good thing. The bonehead list is strong indeed....

Yeah, I've heard stories. They put the D in Dumb.
 

Dari

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As someone who worked for the Texas Legislature for over a decade, I'd personally say you don't have a clue.

The Texas Legislature is almost always in crisis management mode, due to ongoing problems that they haven't been able to deal with promptly. And legislating under pressure during crises is a golden road to poor law.

Though you can make the argument that Texas legislators are so bad, that having them there less is actually a good thing. The bonehead list is strong indeed....

Funny, our Congress is more or less like that. And that is how our founding fathers wanted it. They wanted the (federal) legislature to be a place where things slowed down tremendously.