Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
It must be an amazing gift to focus so narrowly on little snippets of pseudo-reality like that, and yet completely and mindlessly ignore the overwhelming mountains of evidence that Bush and his minions intentionally deceived America in their lust to invade Iraq.
Never mind that they worded this the way they did with a willful intention to avoid the analysis of our own intelligence agencies. Never mind that they knew the British intel was BS. Never mind that the Brits have no other intel, just other countries with the same forged Niger papers. Never mind all of the unrelated lies told in speech after speech, by Bush-lite and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rice, and, as this article shows, Powell. Never mind all of these truths.
Just continue to chant your little mantra as loud as you can so you don't have to face the unhappy truth -- Bush lied. His minions lied. This invasion was based on lies. Thousands of innocent people died because of the Bush administration's lies.
wow. seems like you know more than US or British Intelligence. I guess the president should've/would've called on you had wanted to know what was going on, right?
But Dari, if you had been paying attention to this forum for the last couple of months, you would have learned that it is our own intelligence agencies that were complaining about the lies and distortions coming out of the White House. If you would read some of the links here instead of relying on Bush administration press releases and Fox "News" -- sorry, I'm being redundant -- you would have learned that the Bush administration was told about the Niger forgeries in March of
2002 and again in October of 2002, months
before the State of the Union.
You would have learned that the CIA was furious about the manipulations of their intelligence data by the Bush administration in general, Cheney in particular. You would have learned that Rumsfeld set up his own intel agency, the DIA, to get the intelligence conclusions they wanted -- but that even that group of hard-liner hawks told Bush&Co. there was no evidence Iraq had reconstituted its nukes program.
If you would open your mind, you'd learn that the mysterious British intel on uranium came from other countries, but when they tracked it back to its source, it was always the same forged Niger papers. You would learn that Blix and his inspectors reported no evidence of active chemical, biological, or nuclear programs or weapons stockpiles. You would have learned that former inspector Scott Ritter said the U.S. attacks in 1998 destroyed the last remants of Iraq's nuclear program, and at least 95% of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons capabilities.
You would learn that the Iraqi defector Bush & Powell kept quoting also told them he had personal knowledge that these weapons were destroyed long before the war. You would have learned that the British acknowledged their information about Iraq's current WMD capabilities was based on "guesses" because they didn't have
current intel.
If you would read the links here, you would have learned that international authorities like the IAEA said the aluminum tubes were not appropriate for centrifuge use, a view supported by the experts within Bush's own intelligence agency. You would learn that while Condi Rice was telling us these tubes had no other use, our intel agencies already knew these tubes were identical in size, composition, and treatment to the tubes used in the body of an Italian rocket, tubes that Iraq had purchased in the past for exactly that use.
If you would even bother to read the article at the top of this thread, you will find that Powell made public claims he was told were not true. You see Dari, this isn't stuff we invented. We don't claim to know more than our intelligence agencies. This is information taken from those agencies. This is information that has been widely and frequently reported. The truth is out there for the taking. You just have to open your eyes and your mind.
If you still support this invasion because you think the end justifies the means, that's your right. Just stop the ridiculous claim the Bush administration didn't intentionally deceive America to sell it. The evidence they did is overwhelming.
