POVERTY - What does the Bible say about the poor?

dahunan

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I thought this might be good reading for some of those who might need it


You are sitting in church one warm Sunday morning. You got there a little early, amazingly, and actually are there early enough to watch others come through the back door to find their seats. There is Brother Jim Johnson. He's one of the elders. Behind him comes a person you haven't seen before. He's dressed smartly and you are sure he must be a prominent businessman or doctor. Maybe he's new in town. You make a mental note to meet him after the service. As you are planning what you'll say, slowly a haggard old man shuffles through the church doors. He looks like he's living on the streets, and an unpleasant little odor starts to find your nose. Ugh. You wonder who this forgotten fellow is, but your thoughts quickly return to the important man you will meet in another hour or so after the service.

I know this is not a common occurrence for most of us, but it makes us consider how our reaction might be if faced with an obvious choice in how we plan to treat a rich man vs. a poor one. The New Testament writer James provides ample warning for Christians in such situations...


"My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, 'Here's a good seat for you,' but say to the poor man, 'You stand there' or 'Sit on the floor by my feet,' have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?
Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?

If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers."
--James 2:1-9 (NIV)


Why is it the natural thing for us humans to notice those with wealth and popularity, but almost ignore those who are poor? This should not be... James tells us so; Jesus tells us so throughout the New Testament; and looking back through history we can see that God's heart is overwhelmingly for the poor. If the Lord who we serve and try to model our lives after cares so much for the poor, then so should we!
The Origin of Poverty
Where did poverty begin? Let's look back to the beginning of beginnings -- Genesis. Creation and the Fall. Genesis 3 records for us Eve's taking of the forbidden fruit and offering it to Adam, which he accepted. So God says to Eve:


"'I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.' To Adam he said, 'Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' 'Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life... By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.'"
--Genesis 3:16-17, 19 (NIV)

Provisions Under the Law
Many years later, during the days of Moses, we see that God established some guidelines under the law to help the poor. Exodus 22 and 23 tells the Israelites to help the aliens, widows, orphans, and the poor. God protects their property, warns again against showing favoritism, and sets up a system of "gleaning" to help prevent starvation and malnourishment (Ex. 23:10-12).
In Leviticus 25:8-43, we see that God institutes the practice of the "Year of Jubilee" to be practiced every fifty years. God says to the nation of Israel:


"...do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God."
--Leviticus 25:17 (NIV)
"If one of your countrymen becomes poor and is unable to support himself among you, help him as you would an alien or a temporary resident, so he can continue to live among you. Do not take interest of any kind from him, but fear your God, so that your countrymen may continue to live among you..."
--Leviticus 25:35-36 (NIV)

"If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave. He is to be treated as a hired worker or a temporary resident among you; he is to work for you until the Year of Jubilee".
--Leviticus 25:39-40 (NIV)


In Deuteronomy 15, we see that God's intention will be that His people will have all debts canceled every seven years. This was appropriately called "The Year for Canceling Debts".
The Names of God
God is called by many names throughout the Scriptures. Many of His names emphasize His great love for the poor:

Defender of the fatherless and widows (Deut. 10:18; Psalm 10:16-18; 40:17, 68:5; Jeremiah 22:16)
Protector of the poor (Psalm 12:5)
Rescuer of the poor (I Sam 2:8, Psalm 35:10, 72:4, 12-14, Isaiah 19:20, Jeremiah 20:13)
Provider of the poor (Psalm 68:10, 146:7, Isaiah 41:17)
Savior of the poor (Psalm 34:6, 109:31)
Refuge of the poor (Psalm 14:6, Isaiah 25:4).

Blessings and Curses...
For those who bless the poor, God promises to bless them (Ps 41:1-3; 112; Prov. 14:21; 19:17, 22:9, 14:31, 28:27; Isaiah 58:6-10).
But, He promises to judge those who oppress the poor (Deut 27:19, Prov. 17:5, 21:13, 22:16, 28:27; Isaiah 10:1-4; Eze 18:12-13, 16:49).

The famous British Christian author C.S. Lewis writes...


"Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desires, not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea."
(As quoted in The Jesus I Never Knew by Philip Yancey, p. 111)


How do I bless the poor?
Sometimes I find myself avoiding them altogether. Certainly that is the easiest thing to do, and easy to justify if I have a schedule that simply must be kept. WWJD -- what would Jesus do? Would he prefer the Western way of time schedules and daily planning, or would he throw away that schedule book and take the time to listen to the hurts of the poor, to pray with them, to show them love and concern no matter how late he was to his ever-important meetings.
After all, wasn't it Jesus who was so late to a meeting that someone literally died while waiting for him? (Lazarus - John 11). But because of His divine tardiness to the tune of two days, Jesus miraculously raised Lazarus from the dead! Maybe if we are willing to spend more time with the poor and outcast of society, He will use us too to bring about God-sized miracles in the lives of the poor!

There is more there.. just offering some..
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-poverty.html
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I thought this might be good reading for some of those who might need it
I'm pretty sure that is exactly what the religious right keep saying. ;)

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I thought this might be good reading for some of those who might need it

In Deuteronomy 15, we see that God's intention will be that His people will have all debts canceled every seven years.

This was appropriately called "The Year for Canceling Debts".

The Names of God
God is called by many names throughout the Scriptures. Many of His names emphasize His great love for the poor:

I was wondering where the old 7 years for bankruptcy cases to clear came from.

The Religiouus Bush Regime did away with the 7 year clear.

How do the Religious that are not rich look up to Bush and his regime and keep voting for them???
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: zendari
Plenty of Christians do a great deal to help the poor.

Tax Cuts significantly help the poor

Taking 12-15 billion dollars away from loans for higher education funding helps the poor

Giving oil companies 15 billion dollar tax breaks helps the poor

I guess the poor sign up in larger numbers for the military so that helps them
 

johnnobts

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Plenty of Christians do a great deal to help the poor.
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yep! but libs want the secular government not the churches, to get the credit for helping the poor....

couple worthy christian charities:

the world hunger fund: sponsored by the SBC, 100% (not 90 or 80 perctent like the red cross) goes directly towards the purchase of food for impoverished countries

the NAMB Katrina Relief Fund: Our church donated $5,000 to this group, responsible for feeding, cleaning, and rebuilding homes in the Gulf.

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having said that, here come the chruch bashers...
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: dahunan
I thought this might be good reading for some of those who might need it

In Deuteronomy 15, we see that God's intention will be that His people will have all debts canceled every seven years.

This was appropriately called "The Year for Canceling Debts".

The Names of God
God is called by many names throughout the Scriptures. Many of His names emphasize His great love for the poor:

I was wondering where the old 7 years for bankruptcy cases to clear came from.

The Religiouus Bush Regime did away with the 7 year clear.

How do the Religious that are not rich look up to Bush and his regime and keep voting for them???

because the democratic platform is even farther off.
Lesser of two evils thing
 

IdaGno

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they're supposed to always be w/us

they don't have that rich person' 'thru the eye of a needle' problem

they're gonna inherit the earth
 

BBond

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It doesn't matter what the Bible says about the poor. These impostors, the so-called "leaders" of the "religious" right, don't give a damn about the poor or the Bible. kkkarl rove recognized what he could accomplish by cloaking bush in a pseudo-religious costume and they have accomplished it -- the most anti-religous agenda imaginable.

The Bible also says, "Beware of false prophets" and "You know a tree by its fruit."

Those who have ears, let them hear.
 

CSMR

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Originally posted by: BBond
It doesn't matter what the Bible says about the poor. These impostors, the so-called "leaders" of the "religious" right, don't give a damn about the poor or the Bible. kkkarl rove recognized what he could accomplish by cloaking bush in a pseudo-religious costume and they have accomplished it -- the most anti-religous agenda imaginable.

The Bible also says, "Beware of false prophets" and "You know a tree by its fruit."

Those who have ears, let them hear.
You should help the poor, and you should uphold good moral values. There is no contradiction between these things. The "religious right" is concerned with the second thing, isn't it? We should be concerned with that and also poverty.
 

johnnobts

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The Bible also says, "Beware of false prophets" and "You know a tree by its fruit."


not a great exegesis there though. let me say one thing here: it is the people of God's responsibilty to take care of the poor. Israel as a nation had it as a resonsibility in the OT. The church, not the American govt, has the responsibility to do it today, according to SCripture. Secular governments may tend to the poor or not, but the church must.
 

Mrpilot007

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. . . Behind him comes a person you haven't seen before. He's dressed smartly and you are sure he must be a prominent businessman or doctor. Maybe he's new in town. You make a mental note to meet him after the service. As you are planning what you'll say . . .

I'm thinking the person referred to as 'you' in this story is a politician looking to do some grass roots recruiting.

The church these days has so many people coming and going I'm not sure if anyone new or old to the church gets any more recognition than another. (I'm from Tulsa. OK where there's a church on every corner, and then some of those churches share the building, so there could be more than one church on every corner. Quoted as being a hard place to go to hell from!)
 

judasmachine

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From what I've seen it has been that they do help the poor man, it's just with plastic "please don't touch me" smiles, but the food and clothes are real.
 

flcpge

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A better questions is what would Jesus think of Bush? Probably beat the ****** out of him. Doesn't matter, the W is gonna burn in hell for eternity.
 

nageov3t

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I don't get it...

in one thread, liberals are complaining about Bush and the republicans trying to turn the US into a Christian theocrazy, and then in the next, they're complaining about them not being Christian enough...
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: loki8481
I don't get it...

in one thread, liberals are complaining about Bush and the republicans trying to turn the US into a Christian theocrazy, and then in the next, they're complaining about them not being Christian enough...

:cookie:

:beer:
 

dmcowen674

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4-27-2006 America's rags-to-riches dream an illusion: study

WASHINGTON The likelihood that a child born into a poor family will make it into the top five percent is just one percent, according to "Understanding Mobility in America," a study by economist Tom Hertz from American University.

By contrast, a child born rich had a 22 percent chance of being rich as an adult, he said.

"In other words, the chances of getting rich are about 20 times higher if you are born rich than if you are born in a low-income family,"
- America may still think of itself as the land of opportunity, but the chances of living a rags-to-riches life are a lot lower than elsewhere in the world, according to a new study published on Wednesday.

He also found the United States had one of the lowest levels of inter-generational mobility in the wealthy world, on a par with Britain but way behind most of Europe.

"This debunks the myth of America as the land of opportunity, but it doesn't tell us what to do to fix it," said Bhashkar Mazumder, a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland who has researched this field.

This contradiction, implying that while people think they are going to make it, the reality is very different, has been seized by critics of President Bush to pound the White House over tax cuts they say favor the rich.
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Conclusion - Keep voting Republican and watch the U.S. get poorer and poorer.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: CSMR
Originally posted by: BBond
It doesn't matter what the Bible says about the poor. These impostors, the so-called "leaders" of the "religious" right, don't give a damn about the poor or the Bible. kkkarl rove recognized what he could accomplish by cloaking bush in a pseudo-religious costume and they have accomplished it -- the most anti-religous agenda imaginable.

The Bible also says, "Beware of false prophets" and "You know a tree by its fruit."

Those who have ears, let them hear.
You should help the poor, and you should uphold good moral values. There is no contradiction between these things. The "religious right" is concerned with the second thing, isn't it? We should be concerned with that and also poverty.

You don't even know me. How can you suggest that I don't help the poor and uphold "good moral values"?

The religious right, in its rush to gain political power, has lost its moral basis by supporting a religious impostor, a person who cynically uses religion as a tool to further what is an anti-religious, rich over poor, anti-Christian agenda.

Originally posted by: loki8481
I don't get it...

in one thread, liberals are complaining about Bush and the republicans trying to turn the US into a Christian theocrazy, and then in the next, they're complaining about them not being Christian enough...

No, you don't get it. "Liberals" complain about bush and the republicans because they are using religion to advance an anti-religious agenda. We're not complaining about them not being Christian enough, we're complaining about them purporting to follow Christian beliefs while, in reality, their agenda is the complete opposite.

bush has donned the mantle of religion to pursue his agenda which is as anti-religious and anti-Christian an agenda as I can remember in Washington. The real problem is, these people who call themselves Christians and follow this false prophet don't have the ability or desire to look beyond bush's phony preacher act to see what he is actually doing.

Actions speak louder than words yet they rely on his words even as his actions bely everything he says.
 

Proletariat

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Christianity says to help poor people of course... but whats the big problem Modern Christians dont care about poor black people?

Right?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Christianity says to help poor people of course... but whats the big problem Modern Christians dont care about poor black people?

Right?

From all appearances and judging by recent experience, that is absolutely right.