poultryfeces, us-israeli relations, and the upcoming us elections

[norseamd]

http://www.eurasiareview.com/01112014-strange-us-israel-alliance-oped/

WHEN A high-ranking official of one country calls the leader of another country “chickenshit”, it may be assumed that the relations between the two countries are not at their best. In fact, they may be considered somewhat less than cordial.

From minor bickering and greviences since the start of the Obama Administration the relationship between the Americans and the Israelis continues to deteriorate. These worsening relations were made even more apparent when a top-ranking US government official insulted Benjamin Netanyahu as a chickenshit. This is not the most meaningful or even the worst occurrence in American-Israeli relations but it has received massive media attention and blatantly illustrates the deteriorating relations between the Americans and the Israelis. And it is just not Benjamin Netanyahu who is receiving negative reactions as Moshe Yaalon who is the Israeli Minister of Defense was refused meetings with every administration official not counting Chuck Hagel who is his counterpart in America.

However given the power of the AIPAC the American congress is practicly with the Israelis on any situation while the opinions of American citizens and even the overall world population are much more variable and many find issue with Israeli conduct. Benjamin Netanyahu made this even worse by basically declaring his open support for Mitt Romney in the last US presidential elections. Benjamin Netanyahu actually grew up in America and knows American politics and society perfectly. The US elections are only a week away and no doubt the far right Israeli camp is involved like many political parties and blocs often are. But Obama is president for 2 more years and even the Republican win both sides of congress Obama is still president and America will not bow down to all Israeli interests until at least by 2 more years if not more depending on who is elected president.

 

[Perknose]

With commentary now added by the OP, this thread has now been re-opened.

 

[IronWing]

The GOP and Likud have worked in lock step since Gingrich became Speaker of the House in 1994. There should be no surprise that Netanyahu's government should work to undermine the Democratic administration nor vice versa. It is shameful that the Republican Party would allow a foreign political party such influence in American politics.

 

[norseamd]

The GOP and Likud have worked in lock step since Gingrich became Speaker of the House in 1994. There should be no surprise that Netanyahu's government should work to undermine the Democratic administration nor vice versa. It is shameful that the Republican Party would allow a foreign political party such influence in American politics.

And I think it is shameful that the Israelis would favor one party over the other considering we as countries are supposed to be allies not just basal partisanship. Not any type of expertise on this issue but from what I can understand I just wish we could get someone like Ariel Sharon back even with his history. He seems to have had some incidents earlier in the 20th century but by his election as prime minister he seems to at least had some logic and moderation. If American-Israeli relations continue to get worse on the same path they are then the Israelis might cozy up to the Russians given their current diplomatic relations and the huge cultural ties they have due to the massive numbers of Russian Jews who immigrated to the Eastern Mediterranean and nationalized as Israeli citizens. This might lead to them telling the Russians lots of shit about us including classified information and technology. While I might not care about just telling the Israelis to piss off obviously we can not let them sell us out to the Russians. We are going to have to fundamentally start changing the internal Israeli politics if we want to avoid any long term international diplomatic catastrophes.

 

[DigDog]

well, i'm not an american citizen; should my opinion matter?

if i were one, i would have issues with US citizens clearly moving politics in whatever direction favours a country which is not the US - this is clearly allegiance to a foreign power and in my view, treason.

Israel .. or rather, a whole bunch of US citizens who intrinsically view themselves are Israelis and not Americans (no, you can't be both) lobbying for Israel is just poison in politics - the US needs to do whats right for the US, not for Israel.

I'm not saying they can't be friends. But this isn't friendship, it's Israel seeking to manipulate US politics inot international action which *only* favours Israel.

TLDR: US-citizenship jews actually work for israel.

 

[norseamd]

well, i'm not an american citizen; should my opinion matter? if i were one, i would have issues with US citizens clearly moving politics in whatever direction favours a country which is not the US - this is clearly allegiance to a foreign power and in my view, treason. Israel .. or rather, a whole bunch of US citizens who intrinsically view themselves are Israelis and not Americans (no, you can't be both) lobbying for Israel is just poison in politics - the US needs to do whats right for the US, not for Israel. I'm not saying they can't be friends. But this isn't friendship, it's Israel seeking to manipulate US politics inot international action which *only* favours Israel. TLDR: US-citizenship jews actually work for israel.

Yes. And you have some good thoughts on this repuked shit of a clusterfuck that is US-Israeli relations. Looking forward to some type of possible deal with the Iranians that might even start to draw them away from the Russians even further isolating Putin and his cronies.

 

[Fern]

IMO, the use of terms such as “chickenshit” is highly unprofessional.

I also think 'leaking' such info and airing spats between supposed allies in public is unprofessional.

Fern

 

[norseamd]

IMO, the use of terms such as “chickenshit” is highly unprofessional.

I also think 'leaking' such info and airing spats between supposed allies in public is unprofessional.

Fern

Meh. I agree that it is unprofessional but both sides can be terrible. As for leaking information not sure exactly what you are talking about but going back to what I wrote above about these comments not being that meaningful or the worst incident. I think the release of information on Israeli Nuclear programs as the most meaningful thing to occur in this spate and I think they were right to do it. I also think that to give the Israelis a double standard for developing nuclear weapons while also suffering none of the consequences that other countries would have to go through if they were to also run their own nuclear weapons program is morally wrong and politically insulting to every other country in the world and also the UN.

 

[Abwx]

well, i'm not an american citizen; should my opinion matter?

if i were one, i would have issues with US citizens clearly moving politics in whatever direction favours a country which is not the US - this is clearly allegiance to a foreign power and in my view, treason.

Israel .. or rather, a whole bunch of US citizens who intrinsically view themselves are Israelis and not Americans (no, you can't be both) lobbying for Israel is just poison in politics - the US needs to do whats right for the US, not for Israel.

I'm not saying they can't be friends. But this isn't friendship, it's Israel seeking to manipulate US politics inot international action which *only* favours Israel.

TLDR: US-citizenship jews actually work for israel.

I live in France and it work the same way here, to the point that the former president did cut automotive engines exports to Iran under the pressure of zionists lobbies, nevermind that the manufacturer had to close a facility in France and lay off 3000 people due to this decision.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm just happy to see a US administration finally calling Israel on their shit (even if only in a small way). I would fully support a gradual and steadily increasing removal of support for as long as they continue building settlements.

Israel has become a rogue nation in large part because we allow them to do it. We made this problem in part so it's our job to bring them to heel.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Israel has become a rogue nation in large part because we allow them to do it. We made this problem in part so it's our job to bring them to heel.

How so? Where is your criticism of Russia.....interesting....

 

[fskimospy]

How so? Where is your criticism of Russia.....interesting....

Wait, are you trying to say I haven't been critical of Russia? I've shit all over them repeatedly. Regardless, Russia's behavior does not excuse israel's. Perhaps more importantly, Russia is not a client state of the U.S.

 

[Harabec]

I'm not sure the Obama-Netanyahu and US-Israel relationships are the same, or even have anything in common.
One is 100% politics, the other involves interests, trade, technology and more which cannot be shrunk into a couple of talking points.

 

[cabri]

I'm just happy to see a US administration finally calling Israel on their shit (even if only in a small way). I would fully support a gradual and steadily increasing removal of support for as long as they continue building settlements.

Israel has become a rogue nation in large part because we allow them to do it. We made this problem in part so it's our job to bring them to heel.

Yet all the $$ that are provided to the Palestinians to "improve & rebuild" Gaza seems to also have gone to a rogue government.

One at least cares about it's citizens; the other serves them up as cannon fodder.
2000 dead and tunnels exposed to accomplish what? Gaza/Hamas is worse off now than before.
And what they got was identical to what was proposed with 20+ dead after the initial week.
Fatah obtained a foothold in Gaza; being placed in charge of the crossings.
Egypt is pissed off at them; actively going after tunnels; digging anti-tunnel ditch.

Israel has close border crossing in due to rocket fire from Gaza.
Abbas praising an attempted assassination help stoke the fires and possible approval for additional building to move forward in Jerusalem.

Rogue nation indeed.

 

[werepossum]

Yet all the $$ that are provided to the Palestinians to "improve & rebuild" Gaza seems to also have gone to a rogue government.

One at least cares about it's citizens; the other serves them up as cannon fodder.
2000 dead and tunnels exposed to accomplish what? Gaza/Hamas is worse off now than before.
And what they got was identical to what was proposed with 20+ dead after the initial week.
Fatah obtained a foothold in Gaza; being placed in charge of the crossings.
Egypt is pissed off at them; actively going after tunnels; digging anti-tunnel ditch.

Israel has close border crossing in due to rocket fire from Gaza.
Abbas praising an attempted assassination help stoke the fires and possible approval for additional building to move forward in Jerusalem.

Rogue nation indeed.

Nah. It's just that when one translates "improve & rebuild Gaza" into Arabic, then back into English, you have "make Gaza better able to kill Jews". It's a language barrier thingy. Sure, maybe Gaza has a bunch of dead people and it's slid down yet another notch on the way to Hell on Earth status, but you have to remember what's really important to them: Killing Jews. And then killing Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and Jainists and atheists. And then killing people who are the wrong kind of Muslims. And then killing people who are the right kind of Muslims, but insufficiently fervid about their sacred responsibility to kill people.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Nah. It's just that when one translates "improve & rebuild Gaza" into Arabic, then back into English, you have "make Gaza better able to kill Jews". It's a language barrier thingy. Sure, maybe Gaza has a bunch of dead people and it's slid down yet another notch on the way to Hell on Earth status, but you have to remember what's really important to them: Killing Jews. And then killing Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and Jainists and atheists. And then killing people who are the wrong kind of Muslims. And then killing people who are the right kind of Muslims, but insufficiently fervid about their sacred responsibility to kill people.

You must be a faithful follower of JediYoda's translations for the feeble minded