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Potomac Man Fatally Shot by Police Attempting to Serve Warrant

Paladin3

Paladin3

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Police shot and killed a man in Potomac, Maryland, Thursday while serving a warrant at a house, according to the Montgomery County Department of Police.

Officers were serving a “high risk” warrant for firearms-related offenses at a house in the 12200 block of St. James Road about 4:30 a.m. SWAT officers were entering the house when they encountered the suspect, identified as Duncan Socrates Lemp, 21. Lemp was shot fatally by an officer assigned to the Special Operations Division - Tactical Unit.

Lemp's family released a statement Thursday night saying they are grieving and plan to investigate hiss death and hold those responsible accountable.
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Lawyer: Man asleep when police fired on house, killing him
An attorney for the family of a Maryland man who was shot and killed by police says he was asleep in his bedroom when police opened fire from outside his house, killing the 21-year-old and wounding his girlfriend

I don't know why you would serve a no-knock warrant on someone unless you had good reason, and if cops did, I don't know why they are refusing to release the reasons specified on the warrant. I'm guessing he posted on social media and had photos of either an illegal gun or a standard capacity magazine, and some cop decided to kick his door in at 4:30 a.m. I hope there is body cam footage.
 
This happened on my brother's street. I won't get a chance to ask him about this until I get back from St. Thomas on Monday, but I'm curious to hear about it from him.
 
If they're gonna keep allowing no-knock warrants in America then we need to give police thermal cameras and tear gas and a bunch of other tools so they don't feel like they have to murder every human they see during the arrest.
 
As much as I hate the idea of no-knock warrants, and if they end the fucking stupid war on drugs there would be almost zero need for them, I can understand they may be necessary in some extreme circumstances. But those circumstances have to be spelled out on the warrant and they should be very compelling. A judge should not sign off on no-knocks lightly.

So, I want to hear what unspecified "gun charges" they had on this guy that necessitated they kick in his door unannounced at 4:30 a.m. rather than wait for him to leave the house and take him into custody in his car or on the street, which would have been far, far less dangerous for everyone involved. The guy had no criminal record and the cops refuse to comment on why they were after him. If there was something compelling that would have justified the no-knock, you'd think they would at least say what that alleged crime was.

Instead, they didn't alert the media or put out any press release until after the local media heard about the shooting from third parties. And now they are refusing to release any info beyond that there was a shooting. It will be interesting to see how forthcoming they are with information or if they clam up because they probably fucked up good on this one.

We can only hope there is body camera footage.
 
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JSt0rm said:
get rid of guns and cops wont be so trigger happy.
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Agreed. Just take away all military type weapons from civilians so our police don't have to dress up and arm themselves like military soldiers. Maybe that will cut down on them being paranoid every time they show up for work. People can't complain about an oppressive and evil gubmint when they are 100% responsible for their militarization.
 
Paladin3 said:
As much as I hate the idea of no-knock warrants, and if they end the fucking stupid war on drugs there would be almost zero need for them, I can understand they may be necessary in some extreme circumstances. But those circumstances have to be spelled out on the warrant and they should be very compelling. A judge should not sign off on no-knocks lightly.

So, I want to hear what unspecified "gun charges" they had on this guy that necessitated they kick in his door unannounced at 4:30 a.m. rather than wait for him to leave the house and take him into custody in his car or on the street, which would have been far, far less dangerous for everyone involved. The guy had no criminal record and the cops refuse to comment on why they were after him. If there was something compelling that would have justified the no-knock, you'd think they would at least say what that alleged crime was.

Instead, they didn't alert the media or put out any press release until after the local media heard about the shooting from third parties. And now they are refusing to release any info beyond that there was a shooting. It will be interesting to see how forthcoming they are with information or if they clam up because they probably fucked up good on this one.

We can only hope there is body camera footage.
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I dunno bout that.
There were multiple body cams showing that kid getting shot dead in the hotel hallway and even though it looked like an unjustified shooting to me, the city/state cleared all the cops.
 
shortylickens said:
I dunno bout that.
There were multiple body cams showing that kid getting shot dead in the hotel hallway and even though it looked like an unjustified shooting to me, the city/state cleared all the cops.
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Unfortunately, to many in the law enforcement and judicial community, if you can't see the suspects hands it automatically means he has a gun and is trying to use it against you so it's okay to shoot him first. That has to change. Especially when dealing with drunk fuckers who don't understand pulling up your pants can get you killed.
 
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balloonshark said:
Agreed. Just take away all military type weapons from civilians so our police don't have to dress up and arm themselves like military soldiers. Maybe that will cut down on them being paranoid every time they show up for work. People can't complain about an oppressive and evil gubmint when they are 100% responsible for their militarization.
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Or we could just ban murder. The same folks who follow that ban will be the only ones to allow themselves to be disarmed by your "military type" weapons ban, i.e. the law abiding who aren't the problem. And do you think cops will give up their guns and put bouquets of flowers in their holsters if you did figure out some way to limit the civilian AND criminal population to only shotguns and pistols?

Any more naive suggestions that are impossible to implement?
 
balloonshark said:
Agreed. Just take away all military type weapons from civilians so our police don't have to dress up and arm themselves like military soldiers. Maybe that will cut down on them being paranoid every time they show up for work. People can't complain about an oppressive and evil gubmint when they are 100% responsible for their militarization.
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JSt0rm said:
get rid of guns and cops wont be so trigger happy.
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Because all them black people, especially the unarmed ones, that get shot disproportionately is due to those military type weapons that they might be hiding from the trigger happy police.

Just use Bloomberg's stop and frisk methods, heard it worked very well in keeping white liberal New York City feeling safe from those minorities with their evil military type weapons that they acquired at them gun shows.
 
Paladin3 said:
Or we could just ban murder. The same folks who follow that ban will be the only ones to allow themselves to be disarmed by your "military type" weapons ban, i.e. the law abiding who aren't the problem. And do you think cops will give up their guns and put bouquets of flowers in their holsters if you did figure out some way to limit the civilian AND criminal population to only shotguns and pistols?

Any more naive suggestions that are impossible to implement?
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It's already been implemented in just about every other modern, developed, industrialised democratic nation.
 
Anti government militia wannabe? Check - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...an-asleep-police-fired-house-killing-him.html
"Detectives were following up on a complaint from the public that Lemp, though prohibited, was in possession of firearms"
Not a law abiding citizen? Check

I will use FoxNews techniques to come to the conclusion.

A thug trying to bring down America probably told friends that if the government came to take his guns they would have to take it from his cold dead hands.

The cops did come.
They did take it from his cold dead hands.
 
pauldun170 said:
"Detectives were following up on a complaint from the public that Lemp, though prohibited, was in possession of firearms"
Not a law abiding citizen? Check
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They can make up any story they want now that he is dead.

“The police had obtained a search warrant for the home, however the search warrant makes no mention of any imminent threat to law enforcement or the community. No resident of the home had any criminal record,” the statement said.
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Maryland has a 10 round magazine limit as well as restricts many types of "assault weapons." From what I've read this guy had no criminal record and had not had his 2A rights restricted. But he did post photos of himself on social media with weapons Maryland has banned unless you got them prior to 2013, which at the age of 21 would have been impossible for him to say. And he posted memes about "...from my cold dead hands." Just like thousands of bumper stickers on cars driving around the country say.

So when they say he "owned guns he was banned from having" it sounds to me like it's a case of them writing laws that turned the law-abiding into instant criminals. Which many consider unconstitutional as the exact wording is "shall not be infringed." And now Maryland is identifying those who refuse to give up what they see as inalienable rights and are going after them in the harshest way possible.

So that's all it seems to take in Maryland for them issue a "high risk" warrant and to kick in your door unannounced at 4:30 a.m. and shoot you. The family is saying he was asleep in bed when the cops fired thru the window, and not flash bangs or tear gas rounds. The cops saying he "confronted" them but haven't said he did so with a gun. If that was their justification for shooting him you'd think they wouldn't be shy about saying so.

And this is how we start that civil war all the nut jobs have been talking about. More hatred for law enforcement and more idiots taking pot shots at cops. It's irresponsible to be tossing this kind of fuel on the fire. I'll wait for the evidence to be released, but it sounds like the Maryland Police done fucked up.

And this stops the sick/evil/criminal from shooting up schools how? I'm sure the schoolchildren of Maryland are coloring easier and feeling safer in their classroom today with this guy dead.
 
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Paladin3 said:
And this stops the sick/evil/criminal from shooting up schools how? I'm sure the schoolchildren of Maryland are coloring easier and feeling safer in their classroom today with this guy dead.
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How has it been managed in other modern, developed countries?
 
Veliko said:
How has it been managed in other modern, developed countries?
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Not by kicking in doors at 4:30 a.m. and shooting people. Correct me if I am wrong. Or, if you have a magic wand that will make criminals/evil/sick individuals willingly disarm, please wave it. Once you've accomplished that we can talk about the lawful (you know, those folks not intent on murder) disarming.
 
Paladin3 said:
Not by kicking in doors at 4:30 a.m. and shooting people. Correct me if I am wrong. Or, if you have a magic wand that will make criminals/evil/sick individuals willingly disarm, please wave it. Once you've accomplished that we can talk about the lawful (you know, those folks not intent on murder) disarming.
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What magic wand have all the other modern, developed countries been using?
 
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