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Potentially HOT!!! Philips 19" Flat Glass Monitor Model #109B20 possible for around $220 at Staples

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Keroseen

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Here's a deal.

Staples has a $70 rebate for this Philips 19" Flat Glass Monitor Model #109B20 (SKU 455079) that has started today 7/12 good through 7/28.

This monitor is not on Staples.com, so it is probably only at B&M. I don't know what the price of it at Staples, but here's the prices on the Net - lowest price is around $315 to $330. It is possible to price match with one of these vendors at Staples B&M.

Use a $40 off $200 printable coupon to get it for around $220.

Of course, it's up to your luck to avoid shipping charges... 🙂

This monitor has some pretty DAMN GOOD SPECS!!! See Spec Sheet HERE
 
The only bad thing about this monitor is that it only has 1yr part and labor warranty. Even a relatively no name brand Envision monitors have 3yrs parts and labor warranty.

richard



After further investigation, maybe this monitor does come with a 3yr parts and labor warranty. maybe only the low end philips monitors have 1yr p+l warranty. I might go pick one up after work tonight!
 
OMG, if I can get this monitor for that price I'll flip! Not only is it flat, it's a lot smaller (depth-wise) than most 19" monitors...this would be so PERFECT for my desk! I could push the screen back a bit farther and not play UT with my nose up against the monitor. 😉 (yes, I *am* exaggerating). I'm heading to my local Staples tonight to see if I can get in on this!

If I get that monitor, Keroseen and HawkeyeNJ get my first-born son. 😀
(note: not legally binding!)
 
Or, you can jump up around ~30 and get the Samsung 955DF from Dell. It's $275 with a $40 rebate, bringing it down to $235. After taxes, the 950p deal will run you around ~$210 or so, depending on where you live. So for $20 or $30 more, you have a flatscreen monitor with the same performance as its CRT cousin, the 950. Just some thoughts 🙂
 
Got this guy for 298 - $40 coupon - $50 MIR for $208 plus tax....now, if only I needed a monitor in the first place =)
 
Keroseen -

Better double check your specs. According to the scan of the flyer, the dot pitch of the monitor is .27 According to the Philips website, the 109B20 has a .25 dot pitch. The one on sale at Staples is more likely the 109S20. See specs below. Notice that this does not look as good as the 109B20. A better buy may be the NEC 19" Monitor Model CRT-MS95, for $279 before applying the 40 off 200 coupon

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109P20 109B20 109S20
Screen size 19" 19" 19"
Display type AG Real Flat Shadow Mask Real Flat High Contrast
Recommended resolution 1280x1024 at 104Hz 1280x1024 at 91Hz 1280x1024 at 86Hz
Emission standard TCO'99 TCO'99 TCO'99
Dot/horizontal pitch 0.24 0.25 / 0.21 0.27/0.23
Audio MM Base optional MM Base optional
LightFrame

 
The add has the specs for the 109S20 and the rebate is for the 109B20 (Staples make a mistake? Nahhhhhh...). If you are going to buy it. Make sure you are getting the 109B20.
 
Unless you're planning on running super-high resolutions, a higher dot pitch is actually _preferable_ to a lower dot pitch, as less of the monitor is obscured by the grille, allowing for more usable brightness.

To calculate if you have enough dots, do the following calculation:
Viewable size of the monitor (17.7 to 18.1 inches for a 19" CRT) * 4/5 * 25.4 / horizontal dot pitch or AG stripe pitch = your max horizontal resolution for which you'll have enough pixels (so it doesn't blur _for that reason_ (the RAMDAC on the video card, or the electron gun controller can still cause blurriness)

For example, a .24mm (Sony FD-Trinitron) AG stripe pitch monitor works out this way:

18.0 inches diagonal viewing area * 4/5 = 14.4 inches width of the viewable area (Monitors have a 4:3 aspect ratio, setting up a Pythagorean right triangle yields a 3:4:5 relationship between height, width, and diagonal measurement)
14.4 inches * 25.4 mm/inch = 365.4 mm width of viewable area
365.4 inches / .24 inches per stripe = 1522.4 dots. Not quite high enough for 1600x1200, and more than enough for 1280x960.

.24" stripe pitch is STUPID for 19" monitors, as it doesn't get you crisp 1600x1200, and all things being equal, it's not as bright at 1280x960.
.25" is better (Anyone wants to sell me a Viewsonic PF790 or PF975?)
 
In addition: FD trinitrons (at least without the corner landing correction controls that ONLY 21" screens have) are difficult to drive well out of consumer video cards (Matrox G400, Geforce 3 and Radeon cards excepted).

Short neck monitors (I didn't know there was a short neck FD trinitron?!) are even worse for edge blurriness. Why? Angle of attack, so to speak.

Picture you're target-shooting at a flat target. You're always standing a fixed distance (say, 20 feet) away from the target. Where must you stand to have the best chance of hitting the target? Right in front of it, so the target is as wide as possible for you. If you're offset from it, it'll appear narrower. The more you're offset, the narrower it is, since it's flat.

This is the case with little phosphor dots in your monitor. The ones on the side will be blurrier than the ones in front, since they present a smaller target to the electron gun. (This is a lesser problem in curved tubes, as they make for more "spherical" target phosphor dots, with the same cross-section of it presented anywhere in the tube). Now, if you have a ruler-flat surface, then the side dots will obviously have more blur to them, as they're REALLY difficult to hit.

On the other hand, with a short-neck monitor, the angles presented to the firing gun are even higher (I think it's about 135 degrees total movement, 62.5 in each direction off-center, versus 90/45 for regular tubes). Since your targets shrink EVEN MORE in this situation, the image quality thus suffers.

Bottom line? I still want a PF795. 🙂
 
Lastly:
Hercules, Dell isn't on the Samsung list of rebate-eligible vendors. The best sure-fire deal is to do the 10% flooz thing with AMEX, buy $320 or so worth of Flooz for $290, and order from outpost.com ($285 + $35 shipping), and use the rebate to get it down to $250.
 
Pick up this monitor at Cols., OH. loc. Floor model- $275 , $40 off - $70 rebate ,I`m not complaining😀
But can someone please tell what I can use to clean the glass , it says no harsh cleaners i.e. ammonia, alcohol. Says use damp cloth, all that does is smudge the screen and scratch it . Any help? Thanks.
 
percboy,
For dust & dirt use Swifter or Pledge grab-it unscented cloths.(the ones you are supposed to use on your floor) For anything that those don't clean, ignore their warning Use Endust for electronics wipes which are nothing more then baby wipes moistened with rubbing alcohol rather then baby powder smelling crap 😀
 
My roomate just got this monitor.. I personally dont like it very much. The text is very blurry compared to a nice trinitron. I think even the Samsung 955df from Dell with the $40 rebate is probably more worth it.. drop the extra $40 and get that instead.

The screen on the Philips just has little black lines in the glass it seems that make everything look kind of grainy.
 
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