It rocks. Expose fixed the only real flaw left in the UI of Jaguar, which was awkwardness switching between windows when you have a bunch of stuff open at once.
Posting from OS X 10.3 Panther preview release.
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are they going to charge for fixing the bugs again?
It's starting to piss me off. They're pulling this microsoft shiet on the little guy.
It's starting to piss me off. They're pulling this microsoft shiet on the little guy.
I'm running Linux on my iBook and love it.. if I really really need to run an OS X app, I'll turn on maconlinux.. 
GTaudiophile
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One thing does irritate me about Macs: maximizing a window never really seems to maximize a window. What's with that?
I'd say worse then MS; MS at least provides large free updates (service packs). There's typically a couple years between releases.
$129 for an upgrade? Seems, I don't know, a bit exploitive of the mac-fanatics.
Service packs for Windows don't generally add new features, they fix bugs that have been discovered weeks or months earlier. And it's not Apple's fault that Windows users are accustomed to waiting 3 years at a time for new features to be added to the OS. And Mac OS X updates are far from being just merely bug fixes, those are pushed automatically to previous versions of the OS via Software Update.
here's some screenshots. They're all PDF's cause I didn't feel like converting them. They really don't do it justice though because you can't see the animation or operation of it.
Well, considering what a person has to pay for a new version of a MS professional grade OS (XP Pro, Win2K Pro, etc), a $129 upgrade isn't a bad deal.
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nice. now all i need to do is send back my ibook so it works again... i get nothing on the LCD when i turn it on wouldn't pay for the upgrade tho... altho.. i am a student... i think we get a pretty nice discount on the apple upgrade, something like $20 was os x.... tho i could be wrong about that.
wouldn't pay for the upgrade tho... altho.. i am a student... i think we get a pretty nice discount on the apple upgrade, something like $20 was os x.... tho i could be wrong about that.My thoughts exactly. I am still waiting for MS to drop the upgrade price for XP Pro ACADEMIC from 20 thousand yen (about 190$). I thought it was a bit much when I had to shell out 13 thousand for going from Win9x to Win2k, but at least I thought that was justified. But 20 thousand for a big green START button and obligatory MS bundles? No way. I might just stick with Win2k until I gather enough courage to dump MS altogether and move to *nix. Or maybe Macs??? Those Apples sure are pretty. :heart:
JetsFanatic
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Pressing the "maximize" button (I'm not even sure that's what it is called in Mac land) will sometimes maximize the whole window, but otherwise the logic behind it seems to depend on the document. In document-based programs like Safari, pressing it will resize the screen to the best fit for the webpage. In Preview of a PDF, pressing it will resize the screen to show the entire page of the document. It depends. It's something I've gotten used to but it can be annoying as the functionality is uncertain the first time you use it. I can see the rationale though. For document-based programs you wouldn't want to maximize the document window as that would hide aspects of the program. For instance, in Word if it maximized the document screen to fill up the entire screen, all the useful format and feature menus would be covered up.
Are you at WWDC? How do you like Xcode vs Project Builder. Is Project Builder in fact being deprecated in favour of Xcode or is Xcode just a complement to PB?
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I'm running it too on a dual 800mhz Quicksilver. While Eudora is a bit mad, it otherwise hasn't broken anything, which is good, because it rocks. The new mail is definately a step above the old one, and the new "industrial" scheme is a welcomed change. I haven't found much use for Expose yet, whereas the fast user switching ability finally adds something I've been dieing for(not to mention the transistion is damn cool, even Apple says they did it just for the hell of it). It's a shame it won't be finished for possibly another 4-5 months, but then again, it's not feature complete either(FileVault isn't availible, as are a couple of currently undocumented options; Apple will be adding more stuff in the future I'm sure). One word of warning to those of you that have machines that don't support QuartzExtreme, Panther makes more use of it than Jaguar, so the difference is even more noticable(the cube effect for fast user switching doesn't get used, for example). All and all though, I'm loving it.
The new mail is definately a step above the old one, and the new "industrial" scheme is a welcomed change. I haven't found much use for Expose yet, whereas the fast user switching ability finally adds something I've been dieing for(not to mention the transistion is damn cool, even Apple says they did it just for the hell of it). It's a shame it won't be finished for possibly another 4-5 months, but then again, it's not feature complete either(FileVault isn't availible, as are a couple of currently undocumented options; Apple will be adding more stuff in the future I'm sure). One word of warning to those of you that have machines that don't support QuartzExtreme, Panther makes more use of it than Jaguar, so the difference is even more noticable(the cube effect for fast user switching doesn't get used, for example). All and all though, I'm loving it.Man, that looks really sweet. From the pics, it looks as if you can resive windows to be much smaller, and everything will scale appropriately as if you just pushed it further away from you?
I'd buy a mac if they werent so god awful expensive, because that os truely is a thing of beauty. Even though xp is a step above and beyond 2000 as far as looks, its still just so...I dunno, utilitarian.
I'd buy a mac if they werent so god awful expensive, because that os truely is a thing of beauty. Even though xp is a step above and beyond 2000 as far as looks, its still just so...I dunno, utilitarian.
Anyone know if Panther is going to ship before the end of the year? Im waiting for that before I buy my first Apple. Can't wait.
when did MS every charge for a bug fix? all patches and service packs have been free for at least the last 5 years
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