Possible Swiftboat/Bush connection would be illegal.

[Piano Man]

Link

Interesting read. I'm not sure if there was coordination, but speaking as someone who works for a 527 organization (America Coming Together) I'm reminded almost on a daily basis that you can not coordinate with any presidential campaigns. If the connection to Rove or anyone else in the campaign is made, that would be disastrous for both groups.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Piano Man
Link

Interesting read. I'm not sure if there was coordination, but speaking as someone who works for a 527 organization (America Coming Together) I'm reminded almost on a daily basis that you can not coordinate with any presidential campaigns. If the connection to Rove or anyone else in the campaign is made, that would be disastrous for both groups.

And a non-partisan group called Texans for Public Justice that researches political contributions in Texas elections issued a statement Thursday saying that Perry had worked with Rove as early as 1986 when Perry served as campaign treasurer for Republican gubernatorial candidate Bill Clements and Rove was as a campaign consultant to Clements.

This is beyond outrage.

 

[DefRef]

You guys are unreal. A couple of Republicans know each other from back in the day and it's an "outrage", but it's mere coincidence that ACT and MoveOn seem to miraculously be doing Kerry's bidding? Just because you think non-Democrats are stupid doesn't mean they actually ARE stupid enough to notice that your hyperbole is only outstripped by your hypocrisy.

 

[308nato]

Seems to me that neither campaign is coordinated.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: DefRef
You guys are unreal. A couple of Republicans know each other from back in the day and it's an "outrage", but it's mere coincidence that ACT and MoveOn seem to miraculously be doing Kerry's bidding? Just because you think non-Democrats are stupid doesn't mean they actually ARE stupid enough to notice that your hyperbole is only outstripped by your hypocrisy.

I don't understand why these kind of arguments keep appearing in P&N. You say nothing to help show why what is happening here isn't wrong, you simply say "Yeah, well Kerry's doing it too!" as if THAT would make it ok.

Here's a hint. Even if every Kerry supporter on this board was a giant hypocrate, that would not change the validity (or lack of) of the Swiftboat/Bush connection. I don't understand why people keep doing this, it simply highlights that you have no case to defend your side of things.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DefRef
You guys are unreal. A couple of Republicans know each other from back in the day and it's an "outrage", but it's mere coincidence that ACT and MoveOn seem to miraculously be doing Kerry's bidding? Just because you think non-Democrats are stupid doesn't mean they actually ARE stupid enough to notice that your hyperbole is only outstripped by your hypocrisy.

LOL, the irony of your post is amazing!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DefRef
You guys are unreal. A couple of Republicans know each other from back in the day and it's an "outrage", but it's mere coincidence that ACT and MoveOn seem to miraculously be doing Kerry's bidding? Just because you think non-Democrats are stupid doesn't mean they actually ARE stupid enough to notice that your hyperbole is only outstripped by your hypocrisy.

LOL, the irony of your post is amazing!

Rush, Hannity and CAD & Co have trained him well

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Piano Man
Link

Interesting read. I'm not sure if there was coordination, but speaking as someone who works for a 527 organization (America Coming Together) I'm reminded almost on a daily basis that you can not coordinate with any presidential campaigns. If the connection to Rove or anyone else in the campaign is made, that would be disastrous for both groups.

And a non-partisan group called Texans for Public Justice that researches political contributions in Texas elections issued a statement Thursday saying that Perry had worked with Rove as early as 1986 when Perry served as campaign treasurer for Republican gubernatorial candidate Bill Clements and Rove was as a campaign consultant to Clements.

This is beyond outrage.

I don't see where the outrage is...just because a couple of people worked together on a campaign 18 years ago does not mean they are still collaborating. Unless I see conclusive and unambiguous evidence that these independent organizations are working directly with either campaign, I'll continue to work under the assumption that they are independent of each other.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeh, well, guys, a leopard can't change his spots, and Colson et al can't, either.

I don't think that Bush is coordinating the SBVFTT attacks at all- It's happening at a higher level, at the political donor level. Both Bush and the SBVFTT get their instructions from above- not from God, as Bush might claim, but from the money... Nothing illegal about that...

Dance, you self serving greedy bastids, dance!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

I don't see where the outrage is...just because a couple of people worked together on a campaign 18 years ago does not mean they are still collaborating. Unless I see conclusive and unambiguous evidence that these independent organizations are working directly with either campaign, I'll continue to work under the assumption that they are independent of each other.

Yea yea, I know, you're goping to say the Times has ZERO credibility because they had that one guy that made up stories:

The New York Times on Friday reported that there is a "web of connections" between the Swift Boat group and the "Bush family, high-profile Texas political figures and President Bush's chief political aide, Karl Rove."

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Feldenak

I don't see where the outrage is...just because a couple of people worked together on a campaign 18 years ago does not mean they are still collaborating. Unless I see conclusive and unambiguous evidence that these independent organizations are working directly with either campaign, I'll continue to work under the assumption that they are independent of each other.

Yea yea, I know, you're goping to say the Times has ZERO credibility because they had that one guy that made up stories:

The New York Times on Friday reported that there is a "web of connections" between the Swift Boat group and the "Bush family, high-profile Texas political figures and President Bush's chief political aide, Karl Rove."

Dave, that's life. I'm sure every one of us has a "web of connections" that may appear to be improper but that doesn't necessarily make them such. Find me some actual unbiased evidence that the Bush campaign is directly influencing these independent groups and I'll begin to give credence to the rumors. Right now that's all these are...unsubstantiated rumors. You cannot get to the upper echelons of either party without making a "web of connections" over the years.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So, if Bush is found to have illegal connections to these people, who is going to make excuses for him?

Stand up and be counted!

 

[NightCrawler]

I really don't give a F*ck, so much time wasted on "There cheating because some group is actually helping the other side and he knew somebody at college". There are a bunch of cheating weasels on both sides that bend the crap out of whatever rules have been invented for this years election.

Get over it, if your $150 million dollars doesn't help you get your message out and you lose the election.....

 

[conjur]

Graphic: Connections and Contradictions

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Piano Man
Link

Interesting read. I'm not sure if there was coordination, but speaking as someone who works for a 527 organization (America Coming Together) I'm reminded almost on a daily basis that you can not coordinate with any presidential campaigns. If the connection to Rove or anyone else in the campaign is made, that would be disastrous for both groups.

And a non-partisan group called Texans for Public Justice that researches political contributions in Texas elections issued a statement Thursday saying that Perry had worked with Rove as early as 1986 when Perry served as campaign treasurer for Republican gubernatorial candidate Bill Clements and Rove was as a campaign consultant to Clements.

This is beyond outrage.

By that line of thinking, because I got Larry Brown's autograph when he was coach of the Pacers, it's my fault the US team is sucking in the Olympics.

I say let's do it! Let's investigate the 527's . . . all of them for connections. It's ironic, though, that a 100K donation by Perry is deemed as proof that the Swift Vets are connected to the Bush campaign, but the literal millions pumped into 527's by George Soros and others are completely guilt free.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: conjur
Graphic: Connections and Contradictions

Neat little chart but it doesn't list current connections to the campaign. I don't really care about who said what and when mainly because I've yet to see a political ad for the current election season (I turned my cable off).

 

[KarenMarie]

I thnk this could be easily settled if Kerry were to face off against SBVFT himself.

No lawyers, no mouth peices, no throwing stuff by either sides.

Just Kerry and the SBVFT on teevee, with a neutral moderator. Hard to find a neutral moderator, though.

Tim Russet suffice?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: conjur
Graphic: Connections and Contradictions

We need one that includes Kevin Bacon.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I thnk this could be easily settled if Kerry were to face off against SBVFT himself.

No lawyers, no mouth peices, no throwing stuff by either sides.

Just Kerry and the SBVFT on teevee, with a neutral moderator. Hard to find a neutral moderator, though.

Tim Russet suffice?

Sure, and let Conjur get a crack at Bush over his service record

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I thnk this could be easily settled if Kerry were to face off against SBVFT himself.

No lawyers, no mouth peices, no throwing stuff by either sides.

Just Kerry and the SBVFT on teevee, with a neutral moderator. Hard to find a neutral moderator, though.

Tim Russet suffice?

Sure, and let Conjur get a crack at Bush over his service record

Ummm... forgive me... I don't get it. If I am correct, apologies if I am not, Conjur is Left of Center.
So, I will take that to mean that Tim Russet is not neutral?
Or did you mean something else, and I totally didn't get it?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Ummm... forgive me... I don't get it. If I am correct, apologies if I am not, Conjur is Left of Center.
So, I will take that to mean that Tim Russet is not neutral?
Or did you mean something else, and I totally didn't get it?

Conjur wouldn't be moderating, he'd represent the side debating Bush (ripping him a new one, actually).

 

[Gaard]

Busted! :laugh:

?Bush Campaign Caught Promoting "Swift Boat Vets for Truth"

Tallahassee -- On the same day that the Bush-Cheney campaign repeatedly denied coordinating attacks with the anti-Kerry group "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," the Bush-Cheney campaign in Florida was caught promoting a rally in Gainesville for the group.


A flyer being distributed at the Alachua County Republican party headquarters, which doubles as the Bush-Cheney campaign headquarters for the county, promotes a weekend rally sponsored by "Swift Boat Vets for Truth, Veterans for Bush, Alachua Bush/Cheney Committee," and others.


The flyer

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Busted! :laugh:

?Bush Campaign Caught Promoting "Swift Boat Vets for Truth"

Tallahassee -- On the same day that the Bush-Cheney campaign repeatedly denied coordinating attacks with the anti-Kerry group "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," the Bush-Cheney campaign in Florida was caught promoting a rally in Gainesville for the group.


A flyer being distributed at the Alachua County Republican party headquarters, which doubles as the Bush-Cheney campaign headquarters for the county, promotes a weekend rally sponsored by "Swift Boat Vets for Truth, Veterans for Bush, Alachua Bush/Cheney Committee," and others.


The flyer

Well if that counts..this should as well

linkage

John Kerry has hired an Internet-savvy Democrat to run his presidential campaign's online communications, a move that raises new questions about the link between his campaign and the independent groups that run TV ads on his behalf.

Zach Exley, the director of special projects for the MoveOn PAC, is going to the Kerry campaign to become its director of online communications and organization.

Exley also worked during the Democratic presidential primary for Howard Dean, helping Dean set up his web-based organization.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Rush, Hannity and CAD & Co have trained him well

originality, learn it, live it, love it....

Dave I think I have seen this response posted by you at least fifty times...your a broken record which someone should have thrown out long ago....

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: conjur
Graphic: Connections and Contradictions

We need one that includes Kevin Bacon.

lol bacon game...it would be about as valid as that NYTs tripe.