Possible solutions?

[RESmonkey]

I'm beginning to think that the US should either:

1. Make some treaty w/Islamic nations about leaving "their" land completely for the exchange of some oil, return of captives. Minor strings attached, nothing that another future Bush-ie can abuse. All training camps would be sought and ended, peacefully.

This could go two ways:

Good - Terrorism decline. Of course, idiotic ultra-ultra-extremists could still utter tension-creating slogans, but no one will listen to them. Hostility decreases.

Ignored - Some farfetched response like: "We will continue to see fit for our people, ..., not give in to any of your .... " and nothing would be done.

2. Make a firm example of one of the nations. Cripple one that is most hostile. Show them that they are vulnerable.

-Now, this IS bad, I know, I know. They would just get more pissed and listen more to the extremists, blah blah blah....BUT what if this would actually work? This could get them to think again, not listen to extremists, and desist.

I like plan #1 better, but what do you think?

 

[ProfJohn]

Nothing we do will make the crazy terrorist types happy.
Unless we agree to install an Islamic government in the US.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing we do will make the crazy terrorist types happy.
Unless we agree to install an Islamic government in the US.

1st part is correct, second is BS.

 

[yours truly]

well, we crippled iraq with sanctions, then bombed the hell outta them. i dont think crippling another nation would be a good idea...

i think having a muslim lobby in the US to counter the jewish lobby probably would be a good idea. might just balance a few issues. i dont know...

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing we do will make the crazy terrorist types happy.
Unless we agree to install an Islamic government in the US.

1st part is correct, second is BS.

link

SA: What can the West, especially the US, do to make the world more peaceful?
Abu Bakar Bashir: They have to stop fighting Islam. That's impossible because it is sunnatullah [destiny, a law of nature], as Allah has said in the Koran. If they want to have peace, they have to accept to be governed by Islam.
and....
SA: So this fight will never end?
ABB: Never. This fight is compulsory. Muslims who don't hate America sin. What I mean by America is George Bush's regime. There is no iman [belief] if one doesn't hate America.
SA: How can the American regime and its policies change?
ABB: We'll see. As long as there is no intention to fight us and Islam continues to grow there can be peace. This is the doctrine of Islam. Islam can't be ruled by others. Allah's law must stand above human law. There is no [example] of Islam and infidels, the right and the wrong, living together in peace

Get it?

Abu Bakar Bashir is an Indonesian Muslim cleric and leader of the Indonesian Mujahedeen Council.
Intelligence agencies claim he is the spiritual head of Jemaah Islamiyah (also known as JI) and has links with Al-Qaeda

 

[RESmonkey]

That ABB guy is wack.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing we do will make the crazy terrorist types happy.
Unless we agree to install an Islamic government in the US.

1st part is correct, second is BS.

link

SA: What can the West, especially the US, do to make the world more peaceful?
Abu Bakar Bashir: They have to stop fighting Islam. That's impossible because it is sunnatullah [destiny, a law of nature], as Allah has said in the Koran. If they want to have peace, they have to accept to be governed by Islam.
and....
SA: So this fight will never end?
ABB: Never. This fight is compulsory. Muslims who don't hate America sin. What I mean by America is George Bush's regime. There is no iman [belief] if one doesn't hate America.
SA: How can the American regime and its policies change?
ABB: We'll see. As long as there is no intention to fight us and Islam continues to grow there can be peace. This is the doctrine of Islam. Islam can't be ruled by others. Allah's law must stand above human law. There is no [example] of Islam and infidels, the right and the wrong, living together in peace

Get it?

Abu Bakar Bashir is an Indonesian Muslim cleric and leader of the Indonesian Mujahedeen Council.
Intelligence agencies claim he is the spiritual head of Jemaah Islamiyah (also known as JI) and has links with Al-Qaeda

One guy said it, that's not the only way though.

 

[RESmonkey]

This is what I have picked up from NOT watching TV:

1. Many stick to this idea. It is fundamentalist Islam. NO MATTER HOW YOU SUGAR COAT IT.

2. What explains daily attacks? Not only America, but India and Israel?

 

[Jaskalas]

One guy who happens to express what millions of his fellows feel ? as they continue to spread their religion around the globe by the sword.

My solution, deal with the spread of their recruitment and training here at home. Stop it completely here before we bother shedding blood in foreign countries.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing we do will make the crazy terrorist types happy.
Unless we agree to install an Islamic government in the US.

You see, nothing CAN convince the crazies because of the prison in which they think. There can be no piece because of the other guy and we are the other guy to the other guy and so on.

Humanity is insane because its self hate is always perceived as out there. It's not just Prof John who is completely insane, it's the who human race.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing we do will make the crazy terrorist types happy.
Unless we agree to install an Islamic government in the US.

"Mirror, mirror?".

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing we do will make the crazy terrorist types happy.
Unless we agree to install an Islamic government in the US.

"Mirror, mirror?".

Ah, you beam me to it.

Nothing will make OUR crazy terrorist types happy, either, but to rule the world.

But only one side has forces all over the land of the other and is the world's dominant military power.

Millions of American muslims make it clear how there's nothing inherently in violent conflict between the US and muslims.

Rather, the crazy terrorist types on each side feed on each other; Bush demands to be re-elected (and is) because of bin Laden, bin Laden demands support because of Bush.

Each is grabbing power for their own reasons and causing great problems.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing we do will make the crazy terrorist types happy.
Unless we agree to install an Islamic government in the US.

1st part is correct, second is BS.

BS, how so? Until the world is governed by Islam these types won't stop, hell they won't stop then because it will be Flavor-A versus Flavor-B. Look at the shites and sunnis... they are the same religion but kill each other all time, and not just in Iraq.

How long did the Catholics and Protestants fight in Ireland? Now look at what we have now, Islam versus anyone else. Worse, they are just as happy killing each other too.

Hell, I am all for a mahattan style program to push series hybrids, replace ALL vehicles on the road, and then shutting off these whackos as much as possible from world trade.

 

[dmcowen674]

Humans are inherently dumb.

History will repeat itself.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Ah, you beam me to it.

Nothing will make OUR crazy terrorist types happy, either, but to rule the world.

But only one side has forces all over the land of the other and is the world's dominant military power.

Millions of American muslims make it clear how there's nothing inherently in violent conflict between the US and muslims.

Rather, the crazy terrorist types on each side feed on each other; Bush demands to be re-elected (and is) because of bin Laden, bin Laden demands support because of Bush.

Each is grabbing power for their own reasons and causing great problems.

So you are now calling Bush a terrorist?
Or just the US government?

That is sad, because with all our military might you would think we would do a better job at being terrorists.

Here?s a good terrorist idea for Bush. Every time an American soldier is killed we should blow up a Muslim shrine. Sent them the message: kill an American lose a shrine and let them decide which they value more.
Or maybe we should just start to carpet bomb any town that supports these guys.

You?re getting a little sad there Craig, maybe you need to stop listening to Rosie.
We offered the Iraqi people peace, prosperity and democracy and they responded by killing each other and us. And yet were the crazy terrorists?

 

[Billyzeke]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Ah, you beam me to it.

Nothing will make OUR crazy terrorist types happy, either, but to rule the world.

But only one side has forces all over the land of the other and is the world's dominant military power.

Millions of American muslims make it clear how there's nothing inherently in violent conflict between the US and muslims.

Rather, the crazy terrorist types on each side feed on each other; Bush demands to be re-elected (and is) because of bin Laden, bin Laden demands support because of Bush.

Each is grabbing power for their own reasons and causing great problems.

Adam Yahiye Gadahn, is that you?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
We offered the Iraqi people peace, prosperity and democracy and they responded by killing each other and us. And yet were the crazy terrorists?

QFT!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
We offered the Iraqi people peace, prosperity and democracy and they responded by killing each other and us. And yet were the crazy terrorists?

QFT!

Pardon me for saying so, but had you two imbeciles expected something else?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Craig234
Ah, you beam me to it.

Nothing will make OUR crazy terrorist types happy, either, but to rule the world.

But only one side has forces all over the land of the other and is the world's dominant military power.

Millions of American muslims make it clear how there's nothing inherently in violent conflict between the US and muslims.

Rather, the crazy terrorist types on each side feed on each other; Bush demands to be re-elected (and is) because of bin Laden, bin Laden demands support because of Bush.

Each is grabbing power for their own reasons and causing great problems.

So you are now calling Bush a terrorist?
Or just the US government?

That is sad, because with all our military might you would think we would do a better job at being terrorists.

Here?s a good terrorist idea for Bush. Every time an American soldier is killed we should blow up a Muslim shrine. Sent them the message: kill an American lose a shrine and let them decide which they value more.
Or maybe we should just start to carpet bomb any town that supports these guys.

You?re getting a little sad there Craig, maybe you need to stop listening to Rosie.
We offered the Iraqi people peace, prosperity and democracy and they responded by killing each other and us. And yet were the crazy terrorists?

John,

You confuse the question of whether the US has committed terrorism with whether it could do even more terrorism.

Following your black and white logic that it's not guilty of any terrorism if it hasn't done everything it can, you don't need to come up with smarmy, snarky examples about muslim temples; simply demand that the US nuke the entire world, and if it doesn't, then it's cvlearly never committed any terrorist acts at all.

That also has the benefit of making the flaw in your reasoning all the more clear.

Who the hell is Rosie? You have really hit bottom if you're stooping to that sort of personal comment, it's beneath you, IMO.

As for the level of delusion in the following propaganda line, it's just appallingly ignorant of the situation in Iraq, and would need paragraphs to scratch the surface of its wrongs.

We offered the Iraqi people peace, prosperity and democracy and they responded by killing each other and us. And yet were the crazy terrorists?

But I'll restate my general point. John, the question to answer to determine whether the US is guilty of terrorism is 'has the US committed or caused terrorist acts'.

Not anything else, not convulated things with temples, not what good we've done elsewhere, not other irrelevancies.

And the answer is clearly, beyond debate, yes, we have committed and caused terrorist acts.

You exhibit a cultural myopia, however, which makes the people our terrorism kills look like something other than the victims of terrorism to you.

A couple of classic examples are Viet Nam and Cuba, where we trained commandos who went and blew things up, assassinated local civilians, and more.

But let's take a more interesting look at Viet Nam for a second; yes, the Viet Cong were guilty of terrible terrorism; they would brutally torture and kill people to intimate civilian populations. But you are unable to see how a lot of B-52 bombing, whether anti-personell ordinance or napalm, the deployment of Agent Orange, the causing of starvation and such, are terrorism too. Almost everyone has their rationalizations for violence by 'their side', and you do.

This is why you can get irate over a handful of people beheaded by a group you are against, while millions killed in an unnecessary war, but one which fits your cultaral blinders as 'justified', doesn't actually seem to count or cause you any reservations on its immorality.

And these cultural blinders, whether yours or Al Queda's or others, are a big part of the cause of continuing violence in the world.

 

[Craig234]

Adam Yahiye Gadahn, is that you?

Words fail when the idiocy is off the charts. Pity takes over.