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*Possible* New 470 Benchmarks

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1h4x4s3x said:
Let me get this straight. You're criticizing people in the other thread because they're speculating about Fermi's specifications and yet you would pull the trigger for $350 without knowing how the card actually performs? Do you happen to have some secret numbers because I can't see anything but a poorly made fake benchmark which spelled Catalyst wrong.

Frankly, I've nothing against speculations but I don't like hypocrites.
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I never personally attack people. You are wrong.:twisted: I simply asked some questions.

And Yes for 350$ I'm in..unless my crossfire setup works out. Just to give the new gtx cards a spin.😀
 
From an enthusiast point of view:

On paper it looks like Nvidia may have won, with their Tesselation and Physx enhanced support, also with the bigger memory numbers (1.2GGB and 1.5GB??). And from reading these reports on performance, they launched worthy cards offering similar performance to the 5870/5850s, now they win with their "extra" Physx and tessellation performance scores...

I'm not sure about the pricing at this point, if Nvidia were smart enough they would price very competitively with the 5850 and 5870s and thus offer a more charming product in the market. That's the only thing that can steal away Ati users or fans right now. Yes these (nvidia) cards may run hotter and may also not overclock as much, but I have a feeling users will buy them.

Another note is on when the next 3dmark edition (Dx11, Tessellation and PhysX support) will be out, that will ultimately nail down the new benchmarks of these cards, which I think Nvidia will steal unless Ati enhances their drivers and compatibility asap. Of course if ATI reduces their pricing even further, then it may be a better situation for them right now.

I think I may sell my recently bought 5850 as a result and snag a Gtx470, all depending on pricing of course.
 
So we have benches that show the 470 is slower than the 5870 and benches that show it is faster. I still bet the 470 will be right between the 5850 and the 5870 with a price higher than the 5870. Only a few more weeks to confirm that guess.
 
Apocalypse23 said:
From an enthusiast point of view:

On paper it looks like Nvidia may have won, with their Tesselation and Physx enhanced support, also with the bigger memory numbers (1.2GGB and 1.5GB??).
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Yes, but Fermi is also 6 months newer technology.
 
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Zaitsev said:
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Anyone care to speculate?
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I think the minimum frames per second measurement on 470 GTX may improve in comparison to ATI as tessellation starts making its way into more games.
 
at worst case (for 5870) it is 16.1 vs 14.5, totally not something to write home about.
at the end you might be right about more tessellation giving an edge to 470 in the future (the question is how soon?), but that example isn't a very convincing proof of it.

If that's all we can expect, I would take lower price / better oc'ability (again, this is an assumption) in a heartbeat.
 
konakona said:
at worst case (for 5870) it is 16.1 vs 14.5, totally not something to write home about.
at the end you might be right about more tessellation giving an edge to 470 in the future (the question is how soon?), but that example isn't a very convincing proof of it.

If that's all we can expect, I would take lower price / better oc'ability (again, this is an assumption) in a heartbeat.
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Good point the only OTHER thing to consider here is when tessellation is running along side other things going on in the back ground witch they have not shown. Also with die size increase comes more heat, other than Anadtech doing a review of these cards you will not be seeing them for a couple more months. Physx is package marketing only, eye candy on the box to justify stabbing the zombies for the scratch they will charge for taking the extra six months to fix it.
 
The problem though is ATI probably won't lower prices. ITs been said more than once that there is only very few (in the lower thousands) fermis being made available during launch and even if fermi was double the speed of ATI it will have NO real impact overall on ATI sales (Some customers may hold out for more fermi stock though which could have a very small impact, but nothing ATI would worry about).


Jason
 
formulav8 said:
The problem though is ATI probably won't lower prices. ITs been said more than once that there is only very few (in the lower thousands) fermis being made available during launch and even if fermi was double the speed of ATI it will have NO real impact overall on ATI sales (Some customers may hold out for more fermi stock though which could have a very small impact, but nothing ATI would worry about).


Jason
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yeah there talking several months till the Nvidia cards will be available to everybody, till then ATI will hold fast. Then when they see Nvidia moving products more ATI will do a refresh and lower prices on existing products, then Nvidia will do the same. Damn YOYO effect.....
 
The big question: will ATI raise prices again knowing that Fermi I is zero threat, or are yields getting to the point where supply and demand is starting to match up?

The lack of 5890s is telling me supply is still a trickle and we may see higher prices on the 58xx short term. I wouldn't be surprised if people are kicking themselves and "waiting" to buy a 58xx in two weeks when Fermi is "released."
 
v8envy said:
The lack of 5890s is telling me supply is still a trickle and we may see higher prices on the 58xx short term.
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It's just weird because we are starting to see 5870's hit MSRP again and they are never out of stock. I suspect AMD is holding back and could start making more 5970's available when Fermi comes out, especially if it lands between the 5870 and 5970.
 
scooterlibby said:
It's just weird because we are starting to see 5870's hit MSRP again and they are never out of stock. I suspect AMD is holding back and could start making more 5970's available when Fermi comes out, especially if it lands between the 5870 and 5970.
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Why would they hold back?
If your competitor is about to launch a product which could put downward pricing pressure on your product, it would make more sense to sell as much as you can at the higher price, rather than stockpiling so you can have good availability when your competitor launches.

If you have poor enough supply that you're needing to stockpile because you're basically selling all you can make anyway, then there's no point in bringing down the ASP.
 
v8envy said:
The big question: will ATI raise prices again knowing that Fermi I is zero threat, or are yields getting to the point where supply and demand is starting to match up?

The lack of 5890s is telling me supply is still a trickle and we may see higher prices on the 58xx short term. I wouldn't be surprised if people are kicking themselves and "waiting" to buy a 58xx in two weeks when Fermi is "released."
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You think 5XXX prices are going to go UP when the 4XX series is released? Because they are no threat?
.....
 
OCGuy said:
You think 5XXX prices are going to go UP when the 4XX series is released? Because they are no threat?
.....
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It's not that ridiculous a concept, as people have said 11ty billion times, it all depends on how the GTX 4XX cards are priced.

If they are performance competitive but not price competitive or available in any real sense of the word at launch (and JHH's financial analyst conference call comments about ramping Fermi production in Q2 of the 2011 financial year doesn't bode well for that on a casual glance), then it makes perfect sense that 5XXX card prices may rise.

Shadow pricing makes perfect sense in that situation...

Of course, the GTX 4XX cards may be extremely competitively priced taking into account the levels of performance they deliver, and there may be no availability problems at all on launch, in which case you would expect downwards pressure to be exerted on 5XXX card pricing.

Or something 😉
 
tviceman said:
If the gtx470 is not $399 or less MSRP at launch, it will be disappointing. If that price is in line, then the gtx480 will likely be $549 to $579, or about $150 cheaper than an hd5970.
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This is right on. It has to be priced this way or it will be a failure. Either that or the rumors about performance are totally off base (unlikely)
 
bryanW1995 said:
yeah, my IQ is dropping precipitously as well because I can't afford to upgrade at current gpu prices. thanks nvidia!! 😡
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If you're going to use the big words, at least spell them correctly!! 😀
I'm messing with ya.

Bryan, you have a GTX260 as per your sig. Is that not cutting it for you? Or do you just have the upgrade itchies?
 
FerraraZ said:
I noticed that we're getting the same performance thats been out for months by ATI. Congrats Nvidia fanboys.
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Which is why ATI prices went UP since their launch. Learn to welcome competition. Unless of course you own enough AMD stock that it affected YOUR bottom line.
 
dug777 said:
It's not that ridiculous a concept, as people have said 11ty billion times, it all depends on how the GTX 4XX cards are priced.

If they are performance competitive but not price competitive or available in any real sense of the word at launch (and JHH's financial analyst conference call comments about ramping Fermi production in Q2 of the 2011 financial year doesn't bode well for that on a casual glance), then it makes perfect sense that 5XXX card prices may rise.

Shadow pricing makes perfect sense in that situation...

Of course, the GTX 4XX cards may be extremely competitively priced taking into account the levels of performance they deliver, and there may be no availability problems at all on launch, in which case you would expect downwards pressure to be exerted on 5XXX card pricing.

Or something 😉
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I suspect the delay was to ensure price competitiveness. If not it would be like collusion without tacit collusion. We the consumers are poised to lose if the prices are not competitive.
 
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