Possible illegal alien rapes 15 year old 3 hours after getting out of jail

ProfJohn

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If our Senators ever wonder why most of America is against immigration reform in its present form you don?t have to look much further than this story.

3 hours after getting out of jail this guy rapes a 15 year old. On top of that the guy has been in jail 11 times since 2001. And yet they ?suspect? him to be an illegal, but apparently can?t figure it out one way or another.

Reminds me of the Virginia Beach story where the illegal had been arrested three times before he finally killed someone. Here the guy has been arrested 11 times.

There should be a very simple law that states an illegal convicted of a crime is immediately deported, after serving their sentence, and reentry to the country should be a felony.

The mere act of coming here illegally shows a disregard for the law therefore any other crime they commit should be more than enough to get them sent home.
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"Maury County deputies and federal agents are looking for a man who is accused of raping a 15-year-old girl only hours after being released from jail.

Juan Villa, 24, has been in the Maury County Jail 11 times since 2001 on charges of assault, public intoxication, driving without a license and contempt of court.

He was released from jail on $1,000 bail on Friday at about 9:45 p.m. and is suspected of raping the 15-year-old shortly after midnight. During the investigation, a 13-year-old girl also told deputies she was raped by Villa, Sheriff Enoch George said.

Detective Jerry Williams said Villa knew the 15-year-old but the two were not close.

Villa is suspected of being in the country illegally and George said the department had contacted Immigration and Customs Enforcement about him before he was released from jail but the federal agents said they would deal with him later.

"It is very frustrating," George said.

While searching for Villa at a mobile home park on Tuesday, authorities rounded up at least 13 people they believe are illegal immigrants.

The sheriff's department has detained about 80 illegal immigrants since May, including 25 in a single day. The arrests have prompted some immigrant rights group to accuse the department of racial profiling.

George defended the actions, saying the immigrants who were detained were encountered during criminal investigations.

"If they are here and they are trying to support their family, they are still here illegally," he said. "They are still here violating the law."

The sheriff said he will continue to work with federal immigration agents, but he also wants to enroll in a federal program that trains deputies to determine whether arrestees are illegally in the country."
BTW the story is from Tennesse, not a boarder state where you might expect this type of stuff.
 

imported_Shivetya

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Welcome to the wonderful world of Washington DC, a country unto itself burdened by all those malcontents in the 50 states.

Why should Congress care? They are going to do their best to outlaw the one avenue of speech which exposed the Immigration reform for what it was. When that is done and other avenues raise their head they will use their lackeys to spin the debate and brand all those opposed as either racists, bigots, or malcontents.

I guess my tagline has double meaning this time.
 

babylon5

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Why bother arresting him? He'll sneak back in again anyway because Americans too stupid to guard its border. We can't stop Illegal coming in at all remember?
 

toolboxolio

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That one guy represents the whole group!

And even though this is one terrible case... whites, and legals NEVER have been known to commit a crime.
 

ayabe

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11 appearances in court seems like a high number. Why don't they know his status by now?

"Villa is suspected of being in the country illegally"

11 appearances in court and they aren't sure. :confused:
 
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Violent felons who are illegal aliens ARE deported, and it IS a felony for them to return.

Actually when I was working one summer in the US Attorney's Office in Reno, we prosecuted just such a case - the guy had committed a drive-by shooting and been deported after serving his sentence, only to return. Interestingly, he had been brought from Mexico at 6 months old, knew nobody there, and didn't speak Spanish - he really didn't know how to live anywhere but the US. IIRC he received 7 years in prison for the re-entry.

I can understand people's outrage at crimes being committed by illegal aliens - it's definitely a problem - but in aggregate their criminality is less than any number of discrete groups of US citizens you could name.
 
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Originally posted by: ayabe
11 appearances in court seems like a high number. Why don't they know his status by now?

"Villa is suspected of being in the country illegally"

11 appearances in court and they aren't sure. :confused:

Frequently illegal aliens (and particularly hispanic ones) use aliases - I have seen cases where a single person used more than ten completely different names. Fingerprinting or DNA are the only ways to concretely identify offenders, and even then it is very time-consuming to run the databases. Frankly my gut feeling would be that if they are that uncertain about his status, he is probably illegal, but one never knows.
 
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Who cares that he's an illegal alien? The thing to get mad at is the rape. I get just as angry when legal immigrants rape. I get just as angry when citizens rape. Rape is cause for anger. His "illegal" status does not make him a rapist, and certainly should not be used to imply or explicitly state that all illegal aliens are violent criminals.
 

babylon5

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The point is, not all Illegal immigrants are sunshine flower peaceful hard worker that immigrant right groups led Americans to believe. Has any immigrant right groups publicly support America to deport criminals of foreign origin, or they don't care?
 

Hacp

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Looks like the Catholic church and this immigrant has something in common.
 
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Originally posted by: babylon5
The point is, not all Illegal immigrants are sunshine flower peaceful hard worker that immigrant right groups led Americans to believe. Has any immigrant right groups publicly support America to deport criminals of foreign origin, or they don't care?

Your last sentence makes no sense. Actually, your first one isn't much better.

I haven't heard anyone argue that all illegal aliens are perfect human beings, or deny that it is appropriate to deport violent criminals who are illegal. Can you provide an example of anyone who says this?
 

babylon5

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Sorry your lack of comprehension and reading ability, I can't help you with that.

Immigrant Right Groups argue for ALL illegals to come in, stay, none makes any mention of criminal status check of any sort.
 
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: babylon5
Sorry your lack of comprehension and reading ability, I can't help you with that.

Immigrant Right Groups argue for ALL illegals to come in, stay, none makes any mention of criminal status check of any sort.</end quote></div>

Is English not your first language? I am not trying to make fun of you - your writing is just very difficult to parse. At least this time I kinda understand what you're saying, but I don't really understand how immigrants' rights groups have any responsibility for recommending criminal background checks into illegal aliens - that's not their role in the process. In any case I certainly haven't heard anyone argue that illegal aliens are perfect humans, any more than anyone else.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
If our Senators ever wonder why most of America is against immigration reform in its present form you don?t have to look much further than this story.

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"Most of America" must be pretty stupid then if THIS story is their reason for opposing immigration reform. I'm all for deporting illegal aliens who commit rape, just like I'm in favor of punishing LEGAL residents who commit rape. But just like I don't think we should form our opinion of any group off of the actions of a few, forming an opinion about all illegal immigrants based off a handful of highly sensationalized stories is stupid. Do you watch "To Catch a Predator" and decide we need to get rid of all white men because some of them have appeared on the show?
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Who cares that he's an illegal alien? The thing to get mad at is the rape. I get just as angry when legal immigrants rape. I get just as angry when citizens rape. Rape is cause for anger. His "illegal" status does not make him a rapist, and certainly should not be used to imply or explicitly state that all illegal aliens are violent criminals.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? I mean, I've NEVER seen a post from ProfJohn coming out strongly, or at all, against any other rape before...but suddenly when illegal aliens might be involved, he becomes Mr. Law and Order. If it sounds like he (and everyone else on this particular bandwagon) are more mad about the illegal status than the rape, it's probably because they are.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Who cares that he's an illegal alien? The thing to get mad at is the rape. I get just as angry when legal immigrants rape. I get just as angry when citizens rape. Rape is cause for anger. His "illegal" status does not make him a rapist, and certainly should not be used to imply or explicitly state that all illegal aliens are violent criminals.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? I mean, I've NEVER seen a post from ProfJohn coming out strongly, or at all, against any other rape before...but suddenly when illegal aliens might be involved, he becomes Mr. Law and Order. If it sounds like he (and everyone else on this particular bandwagon) are more mad about the illegal status than the rape, it's probably because they are.

Maybe it's because this rape was allowed to happen because of the extreme failings of our immigration system.

 

Socio

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Should not matter if he is legal or illegal after the first crime he comminted he should have been deported, he should never have been allowed 10 more chances.

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Who cares that he's an illegal alien? The thing to get mad at is the rape. I get just as angry when legal immigrants rape. I get just as angry when citizens rape. Rape is cause for anger. His "illegal" status does not make him a rapist, and certainly should not be used to imply or explicitly state that all illegal aliens are violent criminals.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? I mean, I've NEVER seen a post from ProfJohn coming out strongly, or at all, against any other rape before...but suddenly when illegal aliens might be involved, he becomes Mr. Law and Order. If it sounds like he (and everyone else on this particular bandwagon) are more mad about the illegal status than the rape, it's probably because they are.

Maybe it's because this rape was allowed to happen because of the extreme failings of our immigration system.

Oh please, there are contributing factors in every crime, I don't hear you railing against gun ownership every time there is a gun crime using a legal, registered weapon. The fact is that it's ultimately the fault of the criminal, and we should treat it as such. At least, we should if we care about stopping the crime...I get the feeling you're more interested in bashing illegal immigrants than protecting potential rape victims.
 

1EZduzit

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Rains, your one who is always making fun of securing the border and/or building a fence between us and Mexico. How do you propose we keep people like this out? Our immigration policy is like a protected fishing lake. Catch and release.
 

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Unless he's a member of al-Qaeda or the Iraqi insurgency, our government doesn't care.
 

ProfJohn

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Rain the guy has been arrested 11 times since 2001. Had he been deported after the second or third time he might not have been around to rape this poor girl, he is actually accused of raping two girls.
That is why I posted this story.

The problem is that the federal government does not seem to care about enforcing immigration laws. And our local governments have been brow beat into not even checking the status of possible illegals anymore.
Any illegal who commits a serious crime should be deported. They should also be put into a federal data base with their finger prints and DNA. And then if they are busted for re-entering and committing another crime they should go to jail for a decent amount of time. They do it again you lock them up even longer, sooner or latter they will decide that staying home is better than sitting in an American prision.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Rain the guy has been arrested 11 times since 2001. Had he been deported after the second or third time he might not have been around to rape this poor girl, he is actually accused of raping two girls.
That is why I posted this story.

The problem is that the federal government does not seem to care about enforcing immigration laws. And our local governments have been brow beat into not even checking the status of possible illegals anymore.
Any illegal who commits a serious crime should be deported. They should also be put into a federal data base with their finger prints and DNA. And then if they are busted for re-entering and committing another crime they should go to jail for a decent amount of time. They do it again you lock them up even longer, sooner or latter they will decide that staying home is better than sitting in an American prision.

Don't just let them "sit" in prison. If they're such hard workers put them to work building the low-tech portions of the wall that will keep them out.

That will send a message, loud and clear.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Who cares that he's an illegal alien? The thing to get mad at is the rape. I get just as angry when legal immigrants rape. I get just as angry when citizens rape. Rape is cause for anger. His "illegal" status does not make him a rapist, and certainly should not be used to imply or explicitly state that all illegal aliens are violent criminals.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? I mean, I've NEVER seen a post from ProfJohn coming out strongly, or at all, against any other rape before...but suddenly when illegal aliens might be involved, he becomes Mr. Law and Order. If it sounds like he (and everyone else on this particular bandwagon) are more mad about the illegal status than the rape, it's probably because they are.

Maybe it's because this rape was allowed to happen because of the extreme failings of our immigration system.

Oh please, there are contributing factors in every crime, I don't hear you railing against gun ownership every time there is a gun crime using a legal, registered weapon.

I would if that person should not have owned the gun. How loud would you hear people screaming about the system if the gun owner was an ex-con convicted of murder, but he was allowed to have the gun anyway?

The fact is that it's ultimately the fault of the criminal, and we should treat it as such.

So you're saying that if this man was a legal citizen, and he was let out of police custody 11 times for no good reason, that we shouldn't be upset with the system?

Yes, the man committed the crime, but the system is in place to stop people like that. And in this case, the system failed. 11 times.

At least, we should if we care about stopping the crime...I get the feeling you're more interested in bashing illegal immigrants than protecting potential rape victims.

Pull the bigot card... I thought you were above that.
 
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
3 hours after getting out of jail this guy rapes a 15 year old. On top of that the guy has been in jail 11 times since 2001. And yet they ?suspect? him to be an illegal, but apparently can?t figure it out one way or another.

Reminds me of the Virginia Beach story where the illegal had been arrested three times before he finally killed someone. Here the guy has been arrested 11 times.

"I have seen the enemy and he is us."
 

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Who cares that he's an illegal alien? The thing to get mad at is the rape. I get just as angry when legal immigrants rape. I get just as angry when citizens rape. Rape is cause for anger. His "illegal" status does not make him a rapist, and certainly should not be used to imply or explicitly state that all illegal aliens are violent criminals.

But if you only concentrate on the rape you can't satisfy the Bill O'Reilly talking points. personally I think this is ridiculous, try and sentence this man, and fix the illegal immigration system, but don't try to make this single (or the other few) cases like it the center of your argument.

Quoting DonVito: I can understand people's outrage at crimes being committed by illegal aliens - it's definitely a problem - but in aggregate their criminality is less than any number of discrete groups of US citizens you could name.