Possibilities of Transmitting/Receiving Wireless Signal 2 miles?

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I read & watched videos about boosting Wifi signals to ridiculous distances - which I'm not quite sure are factual or internet fables. One I read was some type of record of a guy boosting to 230 some miles.

I'd like to have my dad connect to my network to watch Plex. He lives about 1.5 miles down the road but probably about 1 mile if I cut through the neighboring wooded lands behind our property. I wouldn't expect much or any signal interference if I broadcast a directional signal. I also have a neighbor about 400 yards away that would like to try this between our networks.

I don't have much of an understanding of how frequencies are amplified or if it is even possible. I have a brand new DirecTV satellite dish that could be the experimental subject. I also have a couple extra routers and a USB wifi stick. If there were some type of cost effective receiver/transmitter that broadcasted at a different frequency (to avoid interference) I'd take a look in to that. And there are also security issues but I'd broadcast a hidden SSID. I highly doubt a farmer is going to crack my WPA2 network encryption.

I like the thought of somehow converting the broadcasting signal to another frequency that is undetected by wifi devices. The receiver end would need the ability to pickup the same frequency, though. But my knowledge of anything in relation to microwave signals is poor.

Would a basic wireless router with a modified antenna mounted in the satellite LNB position have enough strength? I also have the old hacked firmware on one router that allows me to increase the signal strength. It's a cool idea but like I said, I'm a bit skeptical if it would work.
 

mxnerd

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Ubiquiti definitely has something for OP, but how cheap strongly depends on line of sight.

Yeah. OP needs to have line of sight. He said he probably can cut through wooded neighborhood, but actually he & his dad's houses will need posts that are high enough to be able to have line of sight to get it work.
 

JackMDS

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With clear line of site and High Gain directional Antennae it is possible.

Usually it entails one mast at each side with weather protected out door APs connecting via Ethernet cable to the indoor main Router.

This vendor has a big collection of hardware that can help in such Job.

https://www.data-alliance.net/antennas/


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I am at the top of a valley while my dads place is in the lower part. But I'd have trees in the way regardless.

I thought maybe I could come up with something and learn in the process.

What is it that amplifies a specific frequency in a circuit? I always wanted to learn about this since I was a kid playing with a BearCat scanner that had removable "crystals" that were interchangeable to pick up different emergency service frequencies.

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I am at the top of a valley while my dads place is in the lower part. But I'd have trees in the way regardless.

I thought maybe I could come up with something and learn in the process.

What is it that amplifies a specific frequency in a circuit? I always wanted to learn about this since I was a kid playing with a BearCat scanner that had removable "crystals" that were interchangeable to pick up different emergency service frequencies.

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No amount of amplification is going to help you push wifi through trees.
 

Ken g6

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No amount of amplification is going to help you push wifi through trees.
Correction: No amount of legal amplification. There's a legal limit on WiFi power.
 

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Yeah what you want is a point to point setup. Some actually use a different frequency than wifi altogether, they convert to ethernet at the ends. I've always wanted to play with this stuff but never had a reason or location to do it. Other than buying it just for the sake of buying it. UBNT has some interesting ones called Air Fiber and they use a 40Ghz band. I can't recall what the distance they rated it at but it's high up there. They say you can get up to 1Gbit as far as speed goes. Even if you end up getting half, that's pretty awesome.

I put up an antenna and receiver for fun to pickup airplane transponder signals, and I've been able to pickup planes that are like 200 miles out. They transmit at about 100 watts (that would be very illegal with wifi lol) and at about 1 Ghz. I can pick it up through my snow covered roof. Idealy you do want line of sight for these frequencies though. I work in telecom and I have seen troubles with stuff like TV in a region and it was because of too much snow on a dish. Tech goes out to clear the snow and then it fixes the problem.
 
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Usually you need line of sight to make long distance WiFi work.

This product claims it does not need line of sight and work up to 5 miles (I doubt it), if you want to risk yourself.

http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/non-line-of-sight-panel-wifi-antenna.php

Maybe get your dad a cheap internet is better solution.
This is a bit of a change of subject but here's why I am unable to simply use an ISP and was intending to find a wireless solution. Put on your reading glasses.



The issue is that we can only get HughesNet, while my dad has AT&T Uverse. HughesNet satellite - 50GB data cap, "blazing" slow speeds, extremely high latency = peeling skin off face.

We have a problem with AT&T DSLAM ports being full (unable to add additional subscribers). Some neighbors have it while others in between are unable to subscribe. I had received this information from a technician who was working on a line. The AT&T line in our front yard to be precise.

The phone reps have no clue of what is actually happening other than "You can't receive service at this address". I actually had called them from my dads home to ask if he could receive Uverse at his address. The reply was, "Uverse is not available at this address". And I replied, "Oh really? We already have Uverse at this address."

So what I realized is our rural area, specifically outside of city limits, is covered under the CAF (Connect America Fund). In which AT&T is paid $9 million per year by the FCC to upgrade/add high speed internet in rural areas of Wisconsin. This has not happened and some neighbors are frustrated.

I filed a complaint with the FCC a few days ago. I really only was looking to ask what is taking so long but that was the only means of contacting some head honcho at AT&T. The FCC has given AT&T wireline 30 days to respond. I'm not sure if that's going to do anything.

Strangely but not surprisingly, the AT&T Wisconsin execs who never responded to my emails appear to be both politicians and AT&T employees (based on Google search results). Too busy to care about the little guy apparently.

On a side note, CenturyLink had DSL service out here until AT&T took over and had began putting in Uverse. Now nothing. Zip. With the $69 billion purchase of DirecTV, who knows what's up their shady sleeve.
 

mxnerd

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If that's the case, maybe just give your dad a SD card or USB drive with new media files every week when you pass by his house.

WiFi is not going to work with a lot of trees in between 2 houses.
 

thecoolnessrune

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To address the access portion of your issue, AT&T is not building out any additional infrastructure. That's the problem, and why you aren't getting any additional DSLAM capacity. AT&T stated back in 2014 that if the acquisition of DirecTV went through, that they would be swiveling Rural areas to WISP service offerings rather than Land based DSL offerings (basically what you're trying to do, but with proper penetrating frequencies and power levels, not Wi-Fi).

Unfortunately, the AT&T has managed to skirt any real responsibility for deployment, an issue that has been ongoing since 2007. Given our incoming white-house control, I don't expect this to change for the better anytime soon.

That being said, the fact of the matter is that sharing your internet connection like that is no doubt against AT&T's Terms of Service. Shouldn't be doing that.

EDIT: I'll also say that my grandparents are in a similar boat. They currently have 3 Mbit AT&T DSL from the post-BellSouth merger, and have been hoping to get more to do NetFlix. They cannot though, because there is no additional capacity on the DSLAM, and never will be. It's been 5 years and there has been no progress in expanding WISP (or any additional carrier capacity) to the area.
 

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What is it that amplifies a specific frequency in a circuit? I always wanted to learn about this since I was a kid playing with a BearCat scanner that had removable "crystals" that were interchangeable to pick up different emergency service frequencies.

Air Force RF transmissions tech here. In most radios your intelligence is modulated into an IF which gets amplified. From there it is heterodyned into an RF carrier and then amplified once again. Exact details are hazy for me right now (been awhile!).
 
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To address the access portion of your issue, AT&T is not building out any additional infrastructure. That's the problem, and why you aren't getting any additional DSLAM capacity. AT&T stated back in 2014 that if the acquisition of DirecTV went through, that they would be swiveling Rural areas to WISP service offerings rather than Land based DSL offerings (basically what you're trying to do, but with proper penetrating frequencies and power levels, not Wi-Fi).

Unfortunately, the AT&T has managed to skirt any real responsibility for deployment, an issue that has been ongoing since 2007. Given our incoming white-house control, I don't expect this to change for the better anytime soon.

That being said, the fact of the matter is that sharing your internet connection like that is no doubt against AT&T's Terms of Service. Shouldn't be doing that.

EDIT: I'll also say that my grandparents are in a similar boat. They currently have 3 Mbit AT&T DSL from the post-BellSouth merger, and have been hoping to get more to do NetFlix. They cannot though, because there is no additional capacity on the DSLAM, and never will be. It's been 5 years and there has been no progress in expanding WISP (or any additional carrier capacity) to the area.
I received a phone call from AT&T and the FCC today. I'm a bit in awe that the presidents office contacted me. The presidents office engineering and infrastructure team are to look in to our network within the next 3 days.

This was not an optional infrastructure expansion. This was a contract with the FCC to expand the network right here in my neighborhood. And it was not fulfilled. Please Google CAF I & II.
 
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Air Force RF transmissions tech here. In most radios your intelligence is modulated into an IF which gets amplified. From there it is heterodyned into an RF carrier and then amplified once again. Exact details are hazy for me right now (been awhile!).
That is interesting. I wish I had spent more time with that type of technology. Even though it has probably been around for awhile. Probably not something the FCC wants everyone to know.

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thecoolnessrune

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I received a phone call from AT&T and the FCC today. I'm a bit in awe that the presidents office contacted me. The presidents office engineering and infrastructure team are to look in to our network within the next 3 days.

This was not an optional infrastructure expansion. This was a contract with the FCC to expand the network right here in my neighborhood. And it was not fulfilled. Please Google CAF I & II.

I'm happy to hear you're getting a call about this to have it looked into! That's being said, it sounds like you might be misunderstanding CAF I & II in regards to their infrastructure guarantees. I am plenty familiar with both phases. My grandparent's area is in such a phase. As I already mentioned, the Telcos have a very large range of maneuverability when it comes to actually implementing increased speeds as part of CAF as long as they are offsetting their neglected areas, like this guy found out with CenturyLink: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30805687-Eligible-for-CAF-II-Prepare-to-get-screwed-anyway
 
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I'll be crossing my fingers that we can get Uverse. We are less than 2 miles from town. The poster in the link you provided is 10 miles out. He's lucky to have DSL. Even to add additional connections to the DSLAM in our area would have us connected. The HughesNet isn't terrible but it made me give up online gaming due to the latency.

Either way, I'm interested in the long range WiFi idea. Atleast so I can connect in the detatched garage which I cannot receive a signal in. I have a WiFi OBD2 scanner I haven't been able to use. The idea of a 2 mile range is a bit far fetched. I was looking to hear some type of input on how far someone has managed to extend a signal with DIY materials like an old satellite dish.

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