Pope wants inter-faith alliance against gay marriage.

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-pope-family-idUKBRE8BK0M020121221


(Reuters) - Pope Benedict on Friday signaled the Vatican was ready to forge alliances with other religions against gay marriage, saying the family was threatened "to its foundations" by attempts to change its "true structure".

The pope's latest denunciation of gay marriage came in a Christmas address to Vatican officials in which he blended religion, philosophy, anthropology and sociology to illustrate the position of the Roman Catholic Church.

The Vatican has gone on the offensive in response to gains for gay marriage in the United States and Europe, using every possible opportunity to denounce it through papal speeches or editorials in its newspaper or on its radio station.

Throwing the full weight of his office behind a study by France's chief rabbi on the effects the legalization of gay marriage would have on children and society, he said:

"There is no denying the crisis that threatens it (the family) to its foundations - especially in the Western world."

The family had to be protected because it was "the authentic setting in which to hand on the blueprint of human existence", he added.

Speaking in the frescoed Clementine Hall of the Vatican's Apostolic Palace, the 85-year-old pope said the family was being threatened by "a false understanding of freedom" and a repudiation of life-long commitment in heterosexual marriage.

"When such commitment is repudiated, the key figures of human existence likewise vanish: father, mother, child - essential elements of the experience of being human are lost," the leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics said.

In the speech, one of the most important the pope gives every year, he said people could not "dispute the idea that they have a nature, given by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being". The "pre-ordained duality of man and woman" had to be respected, he said, if families and children were not to lose their place and dignity.


People could not become what he called "abstract human beings" choosing for themselves what their nature would be, added.

RELIGIOUS ALLIANCE

In some countries, the Catholic Church has already joined forces with Jews, Muslims and members of other religions to oppose the legalization of gay marriage, in some cases presenting arguments based on legal, social and anthropological analyses rather than religious teachings.

Significantly, the pope specifically praised as "profoundly moving" a study by Gilles Bernheim, France's chief rabbi, which has become the subject of heated debate in that country.

Bernheim, also a philosopher, argues that homosexual rights groups "will use gay marriage as a Trojan Horse" in a wider campaign to "deny sexual identity and erase sexual differences" and "undermine the heterosexual fundamentals of our society".

His study, "Gay Marriage, Parenthood and Adoption: What We Often Forget To Say", argues that plans to legalize gay marriage are being made for "the exclusive profit of a tiny minority" and are often supported because of political correctness.

In his own speech on Friday, the pope repeated some of the concepts in the Bernheim study, including an assertion that children raised by gay couples would be more "objects" than individuals.

Franco Grillini, a leader of Italy's gay community, called the pope's words "great foolishness," saying: "Where gay marriage has been approved, there has been no consequence on heterosexual marriage".

Last month, voters in the U.S. states of Maryland, Maine and Washington state approved same-sex marriage, the first time marriage rights have been extended to same-sex couples by popular vote.

Same-sex unions have been legalized in six states and the District of Columbia by lawmakers or courts.

In November, Spain's highest court also upheld a gay marriage law, and in France the socialist government has unveiled a draft law that would allow gay marriage.

Don't bother working towards poverty, human rights, child abuse, etc. Also not a squeak on divorce rates.. yeah ignore everything that does not fit into your preconceived notions and everything will be just fine and dandy.
 
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JM Aggie08

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P&N...

And what do you expect from a ~2000 year old religion? Why there hell are so many of you surprised when the Catholic Church shows up in articles like this? They're not known as a progressive faith.
 

Platypus

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who cares what that nazi fuck says, take this shit back to the loony bin... not even worth the trolling attempt.
 

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JamesV

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With flagging attendance, the Pope continues the long-standing tradition of 'finding an enemy' to rile the masses.

*fixed

Maybe they should start by forming an alliance to keep child molesters out of the clergy. I'd say a gay priest that preys on children is a far greater problem than gay adults being married.
 

tommo123

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ok so the pope can go fuck himself. this and supporting paedophilia makes catholicism evil IMO
 

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They are loosing people in droves. Churches are shutting down all over NA and Europe. There is something like 75% to 90% of gays in the clergy and he is picking a fight. Clean up you own back yard Benny!!!
 

Ichigo

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I just want to point out that people are taking advice about marriage from a virgin.
 

jagec

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he said people could not "dispute the idea that they have a nature, given by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being".

So, what you're saying is that people are born hard-wired a certain way?
 

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Don't bother working towards poverty, human rights, child abuse, etc. Also not a squeak on divorce rates.. yeah ignore everything that does not fit into your preconceived notions and everything will be just fine and dandy.

The anti-Catholic op troll has not visited vatican.va to see the efforts being made for or against the issues he raised. He just assumed that they did not. Furthermore, where are HIS efforts against poverty, etc? Or his fellow failed atheist extremists Bill Maher and Dick Dawkins? Thats right, nowhere.

Sucking a mans penis puts you in communion with the Devil. You should remain celibate to be holy and in God's favor.
 

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The anti-Catholic op troll has not visited vatican.va to see the efforts being made for or against the issues he raised. He just assumed that they did not. Furthermore, where are HIS efforts against poverty, etc? Or his fellow failed atheist extremists Bill Maher and Dick Dawkins? Thats right, nowhere.

Sucking a mans penis puts you in communion with the Devil. You should remain celibate to be holy and in God's favor.

Damn, lots of chicks are going to hell! :eek:

KT
 

Jeff7

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In other news, the Pope evidently has absolutely nothing of any meaningful consequence to do.




The anti-Catholic op troll has not visited vatican.va to see the efforts being made for or against the issues he raised. He just assumed that they did not. Furthermore, where are HIS efforts against poverty, etc? Or his fellow failed atheist extremists Bill Maher and Dick Dawkins? Thats right, nowhere.

Sucking a mans penis puts you in communion with the Devil. You should remain celibate to be holy and in God's favor.
Probably not the context you were after, but it was an amusing mental image:

Communion with Satan = sucking penis

Regular Jesus-wafer communion = :awe:
 
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Ausm

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What about the poor alter boyz who continually are getting a reach around by the horned up Priests?
 

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JulesMaximus

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The anti-Catholic op troll has not visited vatican.va to see the efforts being made for or against the issues he raised. He just assumed that they did not. Furthermore, where are HIS efforts against poverty, etc? Or his fellow failed atheist extremists Bill Maher and Dick Dawkins? Thats right, nowhere.

Sucking a mans penis puts you in communion with the Devil. You should remain celibate to be holy and in God's favor.

Well, I guess I'm going to hell then...