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Pope visit to the US

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Meghan54 said:
LOL! Wut?
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If you're going to comment, at least try to keep up. My saying "I said no such thing" was in response to his assertion that I said I know catholicism better than the pope does. I will readily agree that I said he's an expert on everything. I've never yet seen a post on anything that he didn't think he was an expert on 😉
 
Theb said:
He's going to dine with homeless people rather than members of congress after he addresses them.

https://kutv.com/news/nation-world/...ess-not-politicians-after-addressing-congress

I don't blame him. Homeless people are probably more interesting and less likely to hit you up for money than the average politician.
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If this was a one-time thing, I'd say it was a political stunt, but he has always done this kind of thing. Spend time with those who are shunned by others etc. Very unpretentious in that regard, I commend him for that.
 
eskimospy said:
/facepalm

Please explain in detail how you can say that the Pope's determination that climate change is a Catholic religious issue is wrong without basing your counterargument in Catholicism.

Be as specific as you can.
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It's just not gonna work, you haven't hit him in the head with a 2X4 yet.

He's still out in la la land.

Kinda looks like what would happen if you fed a hamster a quualude.

:biggrin:
 
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PokerGuy said:
If you're going to comment, at least try to keep up. My saying "I said no such thing" was in response to his assertion that I said I know catholicism better than the pope does. I will readily agree that I said he's an expert on everything. I've never yet seen a post on anything that he didn't think he was an expert on 😉
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I'm no expert on Catholicism, unlike how you claim to be, haha.
 
PokerGuy said:
Again, a simple lie. I've never made such a claim, that's just your incorrect interpretation.
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Well if you haven't made such a claim then it should be very easy for you to explain how the Pope's determination that climate change is a Catholic religious issue is wrong without basing your counterargument in Catholicism. When can you provide that?
 
PokerGuy said:
Again, a simple lie. I've never made such a claim, that's just your incorrect interpretation.
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You seem to know the pope is wrong on so many things and how it relates to the catholic church you must be a bigger expert than him.

Oh wait a minute, that one still hasn't sunk in yet.

Reading comprehension, try it someday.

:hmm:

Openly stating things, then later refuting what you said as misinterpreted is not a "perception" issue.

One of those things I hate that it is used so often these days, the word perception in general , it is an excuse to try to buy time and twist what you actually said.

"What you're saying actually is a solid fact, but it's a matter of perception so I'm going to basically ignore it" seems to be SOP a lot these days in many situations.

Well, it's in print here, you've been called out on it, and your still trying to wiggle away from it.
 
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PokerGuy said:
Of course not. He's just a liberal who happens to have become pope. Nothing wrong with that, but when he delves into politics (as he is doing), then his opinion on political matters should be promptly ignored.
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Jesus was as liberal as you can get. What's wrong with emulating that?

Francis should go for maximum biblical accuracy and start chasing people around and flipping over tables during his address to congress.
 
nakedfrog said:
You're referring to PokerGuy, right? He's the one that said we can do whatever with the environment because Jesus never said anything about CO2.
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I don't think that's what he said, and I'm too lazy to re-read through his posts -- but I think he was referring to Francis not commenting on it at all.

Point is though, politics period does a wonderful job of dividing people, so much so that people of the same Church began almost hating each other, or some sort of mini-sect sprouts up because the pastor believes in gay marriage, or man-made climate change.

Can you see how that by Francis even mentioning it, among other things, that will keep 3 CATHOLIC Supreme Court Justices from appearing at Congress tomorrow?

This is why I personally believe religious leaders are best served teaching their congregations IN their congregation ABOUT the Bible.

The second you throw partisan nonsense in there, you've basically destroyed the unity in your religion.
 
dainthomas said:
Jesus was as liberal as you can get. What's wrong with emulating that?

Francis should go for maximum biblical accuracy and start chasing people around and flipping over tables during his address to congress.
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Fanatical Meat said:
That would be at Wall Street
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He could do it there too, and make it a 2 for 1 trip.

😉
 
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FWIW, climate change in definitely man-made, but my point is you're best going to the Bible to support it (like perhaps the latter part of Revelation 18:11 even though its a stretch to say it specifically is speaking about climate-change).

If a person disagrees with that, it would not be for political reasons, for example.
 
Retro Rob said:
FWIW, climate change in definitely man-made, but my point is you're best going to the Bible to support it (like perhaps the latter part of Revelation 18:11 even though its a stretch to say it specifically is speaking about climate-change).

If a person disagrees with that, it would not be for political reasons, for example.
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It's not biblical support for climate change, from my understanding Francis folds it into our stewardship of creation.
 
Retro Rob said:
FWIW, climate change in definitely man-made, but my point is you're best going to the Bible to support it (like perhaps the latter part of Revelation 18:11 even though its a stretch to say it specifically is speaking about climate-change).

If a person disagrees with that, it would not be for political reasons, for example.
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eskimospy said:
It's not biblical support for climate change, from my understanding Francis folds it into our stewardship of creation.
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OK, now we have to move the whole thread into water cooling.

J/K

()🙂
 
eskimospy said:
It's not biblical support for climate change, from my understanding Francis folds it into our stewardship of creation.
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I said at the end of that post, "for example". 🙂

My post was simply an example showing how religious leaders can make a point from the Bible without needing to go all political and save the unity of the congregation.

Since the Bible is what said religion is based on and that's a point from the Bible itself, adherents generally will be accepting of the point.
 
Retro Rob said:
Listen, the Pope has every reason to be concerned about the image of his Church, as I would be too if I were him.

I believe he's genuine in his concern for the poor, but I also know that the RCC has been long maligned for the luxurious living of its Popes. This no doubt influenced him, hence, why the media is narrowly focused on what he's driving and where he's living.

He's definitely trying to change public opinion on that.



Like I said, his personality is genuine, IMO -- but acting as if he's not trying to draw people BACK to the Church is disingenuous.



I never meant to get into saying anything negative about this man, but the way the media and people like you are lapping this dude up, you'd think Jesus Christ was visiting the U.S.
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Thanks for the clarification.

As per the bolded, it makes no matter to me what station he holds in life, as we're all made of flesh, bone and blood. I look at the Pope as the person he is and I admire that he is humble and does not wield his piety like so many of our American royalty do with their riches, even though he is The titular head of the Catholic Church.
 
If he has indeed started that process of having the higher ups live more modestly to aid the poor parishes, I'll gladly give him props.

As for the typical lib 'all rightie Christians are greedy hypocrites', that's pure BS. I'm sure there are some, and shame on them, but many are very generous to organizations that help the poor.

Fanatical Meat said:
He has started, he has told some parishes and Cardinals to sell expensive property and live more modestly.

Again I find it funny that this quest to get the Pope here in the US started years ago and Republicans were so excited to have the Pope come here and talk about Gay Marriage being a sin against god and same with abortion. While this Pope does agree they are sins he has stated that they are too aren't the only things that should be spoken about. He is more about assisting the less fortunate and living modestly.
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