Pope negotiates with God, abolishes limbo. Dead infants rejoice.

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Anyone know the age cut off for the get out of hell free card?

At what age was "baby" Jesus baptized? That should be a logical enough answer, at least for most Christians.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: themusgrat
That is just what the rest of the Christian community believes, not a big deal.....

It's not a big deal when the pope reverses a centuries held belief on a whim in order to convert more people to catholicism? I guess he can start striking down the 10 commandments and all us 'party people' can finally become catholics.

ALso, like I posted in the SA post, how can the pople DIRECTLY contradict a previous pope who is considered infallible (when speaking with the authority of the office)?

has a previous pope ever actually addressed the issue ex cathedra?

If it doesn't directly say in the bible that babies go to limbo (see a few posts above) then the logical assumption would be that the pope, whom when speaking ex cathedra is infallible, said that it was so.

First off, the Bible never gives the Pope the autority he claims to have. He is not above any person, he sins like the rest of us.

Secondly, if there is an age of accountibility that applies to 2 year olds.......... it will apply to -.5 year olds too. So if you believe in that, then yes, the Bible does say something about the unborn...

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: smack Down
Anyone know the age cut off for the get out of hell free card?

Apparently, there is none. Unbaptized babies are automatically in heaven and a deathbed plead-to-god gets you in so.....

The "age" is really just a term. When you think about it, if the age is based on what people can understand, then the age will be different for everyone.

A plead-to-God- only gets you into heave, according to the Bible, if you really believe what you are saying and asking for, and if you recognize Jesus' dying for you. Also, Jesus was baptized at the age of ummm, over 30, so obviously that isn't the answer.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: smack Down
Anyone know the age cut off for the get out of hell free card?

At what age was "baby" Jesus baptized? That should be a logical enough answer, at least for most Christians.

Logic doesn't apply.

 

[themusgrat]

Logic always applies..... Otherwise there wouldn't be any. Some things may supercede logic, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't apply. Besides, read above, the mainstream practice of baptism essentially came as a result of Jesus' death, so that question is ignorant.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: themusgrat
That is just what the rest of the Christian community believes, not a big deal.....

It's not a big deal when the pope reverses a centuries held belief on a whim in order to convert more people to catholicism? I guess he can start striking down the 10 commandments and all us 'party people' can finally become catholics.

ALso, like I posted in the SA post, how can the pople DIRECTLY contradict a previous pope who is considered infallible (when speaking with the authority of the office)?

has a previous pope ever actually addressed the issue ex cathedra?

If it doesn't directly say in the bible that babies go to limbo (see a few posts above) then the logical assumption would be that the pope, whom when speaking ex cathedra is infallible, said that it was so.

Did a previous Pope clarify the issue Ex Cathedra? If so, link please.

 

[platinumike]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: smack Down
Anyone know the age cut off for the get out of hell free card?

At what age was "baby" Jesus baptized? That should be a logical enough answer, at least for most Christians.

Jesus was baptized when he was an adult

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: platinumike

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: smack Down
Anyone know the age cut off for the get out of hell free card?

At what age was "baby" Jesus baptized? That should be a logical enough answer, at least for most Christians.

Jesus was baptized when he was an adult

So that means babies don't go to heaven since they can't really be baptized until they are adults (or else Jesus could/would have been baptized as a child), and one must be baptized in order to enter heaven.

Note: I'm not implying that they go to some mythical fiery "hell" either.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: platinumike

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: smack Down
Anyone know the age cut off for the get out of hell free card?

At what age was "baby" Jesus baptized? That should be a logical enough answer, at least for most Christians.

Jesus was baptized when he was an adult

So that means babies don't go to heaven since they can't really be baptized until they are adults (or else Jesus could/would have been baptized as a child), and one must be baptized in order to enter heaven.

Note: I'm not implying that they go to some mythical fiery "hell" either.

and what sin has a baby done? orginal sin? pfft.

 

[themusgrat]

READ MY POSTS. Babies are not held to account for anything at all, until they start to truly understand the difference between right and wrong. I'd suggest that that age is around 7 or 8. Also, you do NOT have to be baptized in order to go to heaven, according to the Bible. It is commanded in order to show your commitment to God, but even if you don't that is just one more sin that God has to forgive you for.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

LOL @ the absurdity of this.

 

[magomago]

part of why i simply could never accept xianity for myself - this, along with other things (specifially the early history of what went on, descending later ont to the aryan debate, as well as what surrounds a few characters) make me too skeptical to think that Jesus's words were not altered in some way.

Think about LOGICALLY: Babies are free of any sin(OG sin doesn'te exist in my world), thus immediately go to heaven. Any "good people", or just any people PERIOD, who have never heard of the word of god to atleast have a choice or simply lived before then will have their own judgement assigned to them seperate from us. That makes it fair, that makes it logical...why people would debate this for over a thousand years makes no sense to me

 

[magomago]

Originally p:thumbsupsted by: Gigantopithecus
LOL @ the absurdity of this.

 

[TheCrackedJack]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
LOL @ the absurdity of this.

:thumbsup:

 

[themusgrat]

Unfortunately, magomago, logically, you aren't the one that makes those rules in any case. Logically, God can do anything He wants to.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Unfortunately, magomago, logically, you aren't the one that makes those rules in any case. Logically, God can do anything He wants to.

You must first prove the existence of God, through verifyable means, before you can personify it.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Unfortunately, magomago, logically, you aren't the one that makes those rules in any case. Logically, God can do anything He wants to.

how do you know that magomago is not god posting here? how do you know t his is not what God wanted? or planed?

it would amaze me that God would not allow a child to go to heaven because they did not have time to baptise it before he died

 

[themusgrat]

Um, I don't have to prove anything to you. If you believe there is a God though, logically, you can't possibly think that He should align Himself with your opinions... That was my point. As for proving God, I see Him everywhere, in everything. If you don't, then how do you explain all this? It just "happened"? It is some accident? I have heard of too many awesome things to believe that this is all chance. The mere existence of love is the biggest clue that life isn't the result of a random explosion, I don't see how anyone who has been in love could think otherwise.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Unfortunately, magomago, logically, you aren't the one that makes those rules in any case. Logically, God can do anything He wants to.

how do you know that magomago is not god posting here? how do you know t his is not what God wanted? or planed?

it would amaze me that God would not allow a child to go to heaven because they did not have time to baptise it before he died

As for God allowing children to go to hell, you obviously haven't read the thread. I was addressed like 5 times or something. I am not telling you my opinion, just what the Bible says. God is His word literally, He cannot be separated from it, so if He says something, it isn't up for debate, and He won't go against it.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Um, I don't have to prove anything to you. If you believe there is a God though, logically, you can't possibly think that He should align Himself with your opinions... That was my point. As for proving God, I see Him everywhere, in everything. If you don't, then how do you explain all this? It just "happened"? It is some accident? I have heard of too many awesome things to believe that this is all chance. The mere existence of love is the biggest clue that life isn't the result of a random explosion, I don't see how anyone who has been in love could think otherwise.

I figured this was your point. It is your opinion and I respect it. I believe the exact opposite of you, however.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Um, I don't have to prove anything to you. If you believe there is a God though, logically, you can't possibly think that He should align Himself with your opinions... That was my point. As for proving God, I see Him everywhere, in everything. If you don't, then how do you explain all this? It just "happened"? It is some accident? I have heard of too many awesome things to believe that this is all chance. The mere existence of love is the biggest clue that life isn't the result of a random explosion, I don't see how anyone who has been in love could think otherwise.

I figured this was your point. It is your opinion and I respect it. I believe the exact opposite of you, however.

Cool. And off topic (is that possible in ATOT???), I love it when we can disagree without all the flames. I've never said anything in P&N and gotten this kind of response.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Um, I don't have to prove anything to you. If you believe there is a God though, logically, you can't possibly think that He should align Himself with your opinions... That was my point. As for proving God, I see Him everywhere, in everything. If you don't, then how do you explain all this? It just "happened"? It is some accident? I have heard of too many awesome things to believe that this is all chance. The mere existence of love is the biggest clue that life isn't the result of a random explosion, I don't see how anyone who has been in love could think otherwise.

I figured this was your point. It is your opinion and I respect it. I believe the exact opposite of you, however.

Cool. And off topic (is that possible in ATOT???), I love it when we can disagree without all the flames. I've never said anything in P&N and gotten this kind of response.

I'm a sensible person who can see both sides of the arguments.

EDIT: see my sig. a good tenet to live by from JSM.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Unfortunately, magomago, logically, you aren't the one that makes those rules in any case. Logically, God can do anything He wants to.

how do you know that magomago is not god posting here? how do you know t his is not what God wanted? or planed?

it would amaze me that God would not allow a child to go to heaven because they did not have time to baptise it before he died

As for God allowing children to go to hell, you obviously haven't read the thread. I was addressed like 5 times or something. I am not telling you my opinion, just what the Bible says. God is His word literally, He cannot be separated from it, so if He says something, it isn't up for debate, and He won't go against it.

damn i re-read what i said and for hte life of me i can't see where i said they go to hell. can you point it out?

 

[flyboy84]

GTFO this isn't an onion piece??

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: themusgrat

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Unfortunately, magomago, logically, you aren't the one that makes those rules in any case. Logically, God can do anything He wants to.

how do you know that magomago is not god posting here? how do you know t his is not what God wanted? or planed?

it would amaze me that God would not allow a child to go to heaven because they did not have time to baptise it before he died

As for God allowing children to go to hell, you obviously haven't read the thread. I was addressed like 5 times or something. I am not telling you my opinion, just what the Bible says. God is His word literally, He cannot be separated from it, so if He says something, it isn't up for debate, and He won't go against it.

damn i re-read what i said and for hte life of me i can't see where i said they go to hell. can you point it out?

lol, I reread what you said too, and sorry, I misread the first time.