Pope: Clergy Sex Abuse Wounds 'Run Deep'

[killface]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: DonVito
I do think the celibacy is the cause, combined with the Church's intolerance of homosexuality. Many (perhaps even most) of the people who seem to join the priesthood are people with deep shame about their sexuality, usually closeted homosexuals whose Catholic upbringing prevents them from being open (I have an acquaintance who is a priest who said he felt that nearly his entire seminary class was gay). They think that in a celibate environment, they can wall in their sexuality and take control of their feelings. The reality is that very very few people can really do this, and so they start expressing themselves sexually with the available targets of opportunity. Also, to some extent priests are emotionally and sexually immature (because they have never been in intimate relationships), and so I think children are less intimidating to them than adults as potential partners.

The other issue, of course, is that the Church, unlike most employers, provides these men with unlimited access to children, and the Church as an institution has a shocking history of protecting the offenders at all costs, children be damned. I am grateful things have changed somewhat, but left to its own devices I don't believe the Church would ever have done or admitted anything.

holy sh!t. this makes a lot of sense.

Another factor I've heard is that since many priests started seminary (or whatever they call priest school) at about 12 years old, their sexual development was somewhat halted at that age, so many may be sexually at the age of a 12 year old.

I haven't read studies to back up this claim, it's just what I've heard.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Pervasive paranoia runs deep into society now. Sex offenders are a dime a dozen and almost every block in America has one.

Thankfully the bad priests have been purged. Now to purge society of all sexual predators, be they atheist, protestant, etc.

hahahahahahhahahah yeah sure.

they have not been purged. they just get moved around and around. heck they are getting more acusations. all you need to do is read about Foley to know that.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Pervasive paranoia runs deep into society now. Sex offenders are a dime a dozen and almost every block in America has one.

Thankfully the bad priests have been purged. Now to purge society of all sexual predators, be they atheist, protestant, etc.

hahahahahahhahahah yeah sure.

they have not been purged. they just get moved around and around. heck they are getting more acusations. all you need to do is read about Foley to know that.

Yes, I hope for everyones sake that felix is wrong. And the sex offender registry tells me that there are no sex offenders on my block. I hope its correct.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Pervasive paranoia runs deep into society now. Sex offenders are a dime a dozen and almost every block in America has one.

Thankfully the bad priests have been purged. Now to purge society of all sexual predators, be they atheist, protestant, etc.

How dare you :| Clergy will ALWAYS be held to a higher standard!

Is this why over 300 pediphilic clergy are hiding out in Vatican City?
What happened to Bernard Law, Boston's Cardinal?
When LA's Mahoney was Sacramento's Bishop he moved and hid many pediphilic prists.
I get the creeps everytime I see him on the news. He even looks sick-o.

What do these molested children have to say when they go to confession?
What does the confessor have to say to them?
Is this how these scumbag prists learn about who to molest next?
The above would make for a great movie...Not!


...Galvanized

How dare you :| Who didnt say Clergy WOULDNT be held to a higher standard?


You however are a Catholic basher with an axe to grind. Yawn. Everything is fine now.

Damn straight I'm a Catholic basher, if you wish to call me that.

I was born & raised Catholic, so I've seen it up close and personal. They never did molest me. Two male nuns (brothers) tried to twice, fvsking asshats!
The Catholic faith is a sick bag of worms. I hope they go down in flames

Now I feel better.

Thanks for admitting it. Its the first step in the healing process. Harboring such hate is unhealthy, for anyone.

Good luck to you.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Pervasive paranoia runs deep into society now. Sex offenders are a dime a dozen and almost every block in America has one.

Thankfully the bad priests have been purged. Now to purge society of all sexual predators, be they atheist, protestant, etc.

hahahahahahhahahah yeah sure.

they have not been purged. they just get moved around and around. heck they are getting more acusations. all you need to do is read about Foley to know that.

:roll:

 

[Bumrush99]

It truly is a travesty that these priests have been protected by the Church for all these years. There needs to be an open forum by the Catholic Church that methodically removes and works with local law enforcement to remove, jail and convict these pedophiles. Then and only then can the Church restore its credibility.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
It truly is a travesty that these priests have been protected by the Church for all these years. There needs to be an open forum by the Catholic Church that methodically removes and works with local law enforcement to remove, jail and convict these pedophiles. Then and only then can the Church restore its credibility.

yeap. if they did that it would be a huge leap in the right direction.

As it is now they hide the priest. allow them to move into the Vatican. threaten to declare bankruptcy to avoid paying judgments etc.


and they wonder why people are getting tired of the church?

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
It truly is a travesty that these priests have been protected by the Church for all these years. There needs to be an open forum by the Catholic Church that methodically removes and works with local law enforcement to remove, jail and convict these pedophiles. Then and only then can the Church restore its credibility.

yeap. if they did that it would be a huge leap in the right direction.

As it is now they hide the priest. allow them to move into the Vatican. threaten to declare bankruptcy to avoid paying judgments etc.


and they wonder why people are getting tired of the church?

The really sick part of this is that the Catholic Church protected these criminals by justifying the actions of these pedophiles by sending them to "therapy" or by moving them to different locations to molest more...

In a sense they share half the guilt by not turning these people in for the heinous crimes they committed and should be forced to pay the price for covering up these felony crimes.

 

[FelixDeCat]

It truly is a travesty that these priests have been protected by the Church for all these years.

Agreed.

There needs to be an open forum by the Catholic Church that methodically removes and works with local law enforcement to remove, jail and convict these pedophiles.

To various degrees that has already happened. Some people wanted a "witch hunt" replete with "witch trials". You must understand with the rash of accusations, false or otherwise, some people came out of the wood work with dollar signs in their eyes - nothing more. The false accusations ran amok.

Then and only then can the Church restore its credibility.

It has already come a long way to acheiving this.

But I can see this will never go away as painting the Church with old scandals is a favorite past time for some. And yet those same people never mention the worsening condition of our society in general and the millions of registered sex offenders living among us who should be locked up.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

It truly is a travesty that these priests have been protected by the Church for all these years.

Agreed.

There needs to be an open forum by the Catholic Church that methodically removes and works with local law enforcement to remove, jail and convict these pedophiles.

To various degrees that has already happened. Some people wanted a "witch hunt" replete with "witch trials". You must understand with the rash of accusations, false or otherwise, some people came out of the wood work with dollar signs in their eyes - nothing more. The false accusations ran amok.

Then and only then can the Church restore its credibility.

It has already come a long way to acheiving this.

But I can see this will never go away as painting the Church with old scandals is a favorite past time for some. And yet those same people never mention the worsening condition of our society in general and the millions of registered sex offenders living among us who should be locked up.

Felix, that paragraph is the typical apologist mentality that has allowed this epidemic to foster on for so long. Last time I checked "To Catch a Predator" had universal support for what they are doing, and everything from the registered sex offenders to utter disdain across every level of society towards these sick predators shows me and any other thinking individual that our society has no place for these individuals. Do not make excuses about the general population to garner sympathy for the Church, a multi-trillion dollar organization that has engaged in cover up after to coverup to protect molestors that in any other segment of society would be spat upon

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

It truly is a travesty that these priests have been protected by the Church for all these years.

Agreed.

There needs to be an open forum by the Catholic Church that methodically removes and works with local law enforcement to remove, jail and convict these pedophiles.

To various degrees that has already happened. Some people wanted a "witch hunt" replete with "witch trials". You must understand with the rash of accusations, false or otherwise, some people came out of the wood work with dollar signs in their eyes - nothing more. The false accusations ran amok.

Then and only then can the Church restore its credibility.

It has already come a long way to acheiving this.

But I can see this will never go away as painting the Church with old scandals is a favorite past time for some. And yet those same people never mention the worsening condition of our society in general and the millions of registered sex offenders living among us who should be locked up.

Felix, that paragraph is the typical apologist mentality that has allowed this epidemic to foster on for so long. Last time I checked "To Catch a Predator" had universal support for what they are doing, and everything from the registered sex offenders to utter disdain across every level of society towards these sick predators shows me and any other thinking individual that our society has no place for these individuals. Do not make excuses about the general population to garner sympathy for the Church, a multi-trillion dollar organization that has engaged in cover up after to coverup to protect molestors that in any other segment of society would be spat upon

And anybody who points out that the bad priests are weeded out and booted from the church, reforms have been made and policies are in place to protect parishioners and reporting standards is labled an "apologist". How cute.

Sexual predators spit upon us everyday in society, but wheres the uproar?

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

It truly is a travesty that these priests have been protected by the Church for all these years.

Agreed.

There needs to be an open forum by the Catholic Church that methodically removes and works with local law enforcement to remove, jail and convict these pedophiles.

To various degrees that has already happened. Some people wanted a "witch hunt" replete with "witch trials". You must understand with the rash of accusations, false or otherwise, some people came out of the wood work with dollar signs in their eyes - nothing more. The false accusations ran amok.

Then and only then can the Church restore its credibility.

It has already come a long way to acheiving this.

But I can see this will never go away as painting the Church with old scandals is a favorite past time for some. And yet those same people never mention the worsening condition of our society in general and the millions of registered sex offenders living among us who should be locked up.

Felix, that paragraph is the typical apologist mentality that has allowed this epidemic to foster on for so long. Last time I checked "To Catch a Predator" had universal support for what they are doing, and everything from the registered sex offenders to utter disdain across every level of society towards these sick predators shows me and any other thinking individual that our society has no place for these individuals. Do not make excuses about the general population to garner sympathy for the Church, a multi-trillion dollar organization that has engaged in cover up after to coverup to protect molestors that in any other segment of society would be spat upon

And anybody who points out that the bad priests are weeded out and booted from the church, reforms have been made and policies are in place to protect parishioners and reporting standards is labled an "apologist". How cute.

Sexual predators spit upon us everyday in society, but wheres the uproar?

You are comparing apples and oranges. There is a general uproar towards sexual predators, law enforcement agencies throughtout the country are engaged in crackdowns and sting operations on these people

You can not compare the acts of sick individuals to the systemic acts of a religous organization that when push came to shove decided it was in the organizations best interests to break the law and to cover up these crimes. 50+ years of allowing this behavior to run amok will not be erased in 2 or 3 years, especially when it takes that long for the head of this organization to even acknowledge a problem. If individual victims didn't move forward with allegations do you honestly think the Church would have reformed itself on its own or would they have continued to cover up and shuffle these priests around the country?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

It truly is a travesty that these priests have been protected by the Church for all these years.

Agreed.

There needs to be an open forum by the Catholic Church that methodically removes and works with local law enforcement to remove, jail and convict these pedophiles.

To various degrees that has already happened. Some people wanted a "witch hunt" replete with "witch trials". You must understand with the rash of accusations, false or otherwise, some people came out of the wood work with dollar signs in their eyes - nothing more. The false accusations ran amok.

Then and only then can the Church restore its credibility.

It has already come a long way to acheiving this.

But I can see this will never go away as painting the Church with old scandals is a favorite past time for some. And yet those same people never mention the worsening condition of our society in general and the millions of registered sex offenders living among us who should be locked up.

Felix, that paragraph is the typical apologist mentality that has allowed this epidemic to foster on for so long. Last time I checked "To Catch a Predator" had universal support for what they are doing, and everything from the registered sex offenders to utter disdain across every level of society towards these sick predators shows me and any other thinking individual that our society has no place for these individuals. Do not make excuses about the general population to garner sympathy for the Church, a multi-trillion dollar organization that has engaged in cover up after to coverup to protect molestors that in any other segment of society would be spat upon

And anybody who points out that the bad priests are weeded out and booted from the church, reforms have been made and policies are in place to protect parishioners and reporting standards is labled an "apologist". How cute.

Sexual predators spit upon us everyday in society, but wheres the uproar?

You are comparing apples and oranges. There is a general uproar towards sexual predators, law enforcement agencies throughtout the country are engaged in crackdowns and sting operations on these people

You can not compare the acts of sick individuals to the systemic acts of a religous organization that when push came to shove decided it was in the organizations best interests to break the law and to cover up these crimes. 50+ years of allowing this behavior to run amok will not be erased in 2 or 3 years, especially when it takes that long for the head of this organization to even acknowledge a problem. If individual victims didn't move forward with allegations do you honestly think the Church would have reformed itself on its own or would they have continued to cover up and shuffle these priests around the country?

No, but now that everything has come to light, a billion+ settlements / judgements have been paid, bad priests expelled and or jailed, reforms put into place, alot of progress has been made.

Now back to society in general, we must keep SOs off the streets. Especially reoffenders. Some states have instituted death penalties for such crimes (but as far as I know, none have been carried out).

 

[Compton]

Pedophiles don't have a pedophile tattoo on their forehead. We'll never know when or if all of them in the Catholic church have been prosecuted.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I do think the celibacy is the cause, combined with the Church's intolerance of homosexuality. Many (perhaps even most) of the people who seem to join the priesthood are people with deep shame about their sexuality, usually closeted homosexuals whose Catholic upbringing prevents them from being open (I have an acquaintance who is a priest who said he felt that nearly his entire seminary class was gay). They think that in a celibate environment, they can wall in their sexuality and take control of their feelings. The reality is that very very few people can really do this, and so they start expressing themselves sexually with the available targets of opportunity. Also, to some extent priests are emotionally and sexually immature (because they have never been in intimate relationships), and so I think children are less intimidating to them than adults as potential partners.

The other issue, of course, is that the Church, unlike most employers, provides these men with unlimited access to children, and the Church as an institution has a shocking history of protecting the offenders at all costs, children be damned. I am grateful things have changed somewhat, but left to its own devices I don't believe the Church would ever have done or admitted anything.

So what causes all the pedophilia among school teachers then?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Compton
Pedophiles don't have a pedophile tattoo on their forehead. We'll never know when or if all of them in the Catholic church have been prosecuted.

Yes, they are all under suspicion. Presumed guilty until proven innocent. :roll:

 

[Compton]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Compton
Pedophiles don't have a pedophile tattoo on their forehead. We'll never know when or if all of them in the Catholic church have been prosecuted.

Yes, they are all under suspicion. Presumed guilty until proven innocent. :roll:

Sure, why not? The Catholic church has a long standing history of presuming people guilty.

 

[aidanjm]

the current Pope did a great deal to cover up the abuse scandal, even covering for known abusers. I don't see how he can speak with any moral authority on this issue.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Damn straight I'm a Catholic basher, if you wish to call me that.

I was born & raised Catholic, so I've seen it up close and personal. They never did molest me. Two male nuns (brothers) tried to twice, fvsking asshats!
The Catholic faith is a sick bag of worms. I hope they go down in flames

Now I feel better.

Born and raised Catholic and don't know that they're called "monks"?

Shens. Just like everyone who claims their dad/uncle/brother is a lawyer and will sue someone's ass because they were arguing on the internet.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Damn straight I'm a Catholic basher, if you wish to call me that.

I was born & raised Catholic, so I've seen it up close and personal. They never did molest me. Two male nuns (brothers) tried to twice, fvsking asshats!
The Catholic faith is a sick bag of worms. I hope they go down in flames

Now I feel better.

Born and raised Catholic and don't know that they're called "monks"?

Shens. Just like everyone who claims their dad/uncle/brother is a lawyer and will sue someone's ass because they were arguing on the internet.

thats it! thats the last time you insult me! im going to get my uncle's dads brother to sue you!

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: DonVito
As long as they insist on celibate priests, there will be priest molestation cases.

you think celibacy is the cause of it? or would these men commit the same acts if they were in different sectors of society? cause we all know perverts aren't comprised just of those who are priests.

Reminds me of the old joke where the monks find the ancient book of church laws, and the rule was supposed to be CELEBRATE

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Damn straight I'm a Catholic basher, if you wish to call me that.

I was born & raised Catholic, so I've seen it up close and personal. They never did molest me. Two male nuns (brothers) tried to twice, fvsking asshats!
The Catholic faith is a sick bag of worms. I hope they go down in flames

Now I feel better.

Born and raised Catholic and don't know that they're called "monks"?

Shens. Just like everyone who claims their dad/uncle/brother is a lawyer and will sue someone's ass because they were arguing on the internet.

One of many orders of brothers, fool!
http://www.franciscan-brothers.net/


...Galvanized