Poor Highschool Basketball Players :(

[Amplifier]

The NBA is trying to limit high school players from joining the NBA before 20. I'm not sure what the politics are behind this I just feel bad for the kids affected.

Alot of us here were certified and had offers for high paying tech jobs out of highschool. Even if you went to college like me it was nice knowing the money potential was there. I hope the NBA doesn't do this, college really isn't all they crack it up to be.

 

[aplefka]

Yeah, this is another move by David Stern that's going to piss me off royally.

 

[Lorn]

If this is true then it's really too bad. There's a guy named Jerry Smith at my school and I just know for a fact that he's destined for the NBA. If you look him up I think he's #27th in the country right now?

 

[Fenixgoon]

and what happens when one of these kids sustains an injury that ruins their career? they are now worthless to society because they have no useful (college) education
of course, there are people that succeed without going to college, but the numbers are few and far between.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
The NBA is trying to limit high school players from joining the NBA before 20. I'm not sure what the politics are behind this I just feel bad for the kids affected.

Alot of us here were certified and had offers for high paying tech jobs out of highschool. Even if you went to college like me it was nice knowing the money potential was there. I hope the NBA doesn't do this, college really isn't all they crack it up to be.

Saw something on ESPN the other day. Some dude is trying to make this a racial issue. WTF did that come from? 😕

 

[tfinch2]

And I was just about to declare myself eligible.

 

[ToeStub]

Damn the NBA for trying to make sure that kids get a little bit more time for education before entering the meat grinder.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: ToeStub
Damn the NBA for trying to make sure that kids get a little bit more time for education before entering the meat grinder.

Tell me abou it. Also, no one gets a job without some real experience. These kids should be going through college to at least test their skills, there needs to be an intermediate between highschool and the pros, I'm sorry

 

[Miramonti]

Baseball players get drafted during high school. They don't usually play until they are out, but they often don't go to college and go straight to the minor leagues.

 

[Amplifier]

You guys should realize that the success rate for players going from High School to the Pro's is astronomically higher than players going from High School to College to the Pro's (comparing top 20 high school players only).

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
and what happens when one of these kids sustains an injury that ruins their career? they are now worthless to society because they have no useful (college) education.

They can go to college with the millions they earn as pro players.

Can any highschooler here honestly say they wouldn't forgo college if I offered them a 100k per year job?

 

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
You guys should realize that the success rate for players going from High School to the Pro's is astronomically higher than players going from High School to College to the Pro's (comparing top 20 high school players only).

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
and what happens when one of these kids sustains an injury that ruins their career? they are now worthless to society because they have no useful (college) education.

They can go to college with the millions they earn as pro players.

Can any highschooler here honestly say they wouldn't forgo college if I offered them a 100k per year job?

Well, no sh!t, all the high school phenoms are heavily recruited and pressured into jumping into the NBA. That is why the NCAA has less and less talented players. I like this rule, players need to have the college experience, to mature as a player and a person. The education is also a plus if they need something to fall back on.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
You guys should realize that the success rate for players going from High School to the Pro's is astronomically higher than players going from High School to College to the Pro's (comparing top 20 high school players only).

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
and what happens when one of these kids sustains an injury that ruins their career? they are now worthless to society because they have no useful (college) education.

They can go to college with the millions they earn as pro players.

Can any highschooler here honestly say they wouldn't forgo college if I offered them a 100k per year job?

Is there data to back this up? The only player so far who has done well out of high school is lebron james. It took quite a while for Kobe to mature.

Plus it is a fairly new practice for people to come in the NBA straight from high school, so I don't think you really have a good argument here.

I'm just pretty surprised that people are so against this. I think it's good that the NBA should be setting these standards. Can't really see any wrong coming from this.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: SofaKing

Well, no sh!t, all the high school phenoms are heavily recruited and pressured into jumping into the NBA. That is why the NCAA has less and less talented players. I like this rule, players need to have the college experience, to mature as a player and a person. The education is also a plus if they need something to fall back on.

I disagree with every statement you just made.
The NCAA is prospering because of the most talented players not going to school. It levels the playing field and makes it harder for teams like Duke and UNC to dominate. Honestly, would march madness be as fun if Lebron James made every game a cakewalk?
Additionally, by making the age limit 20 years this means that players will only attend for 2 years, and drop out, this is not a great reflection on academic institutions. If they want to go pro, let them because it makes the integrity of the universities that much higher without players who would rather be in the pros.

Major Division 1 College Basketball programs do very little to help develop kids into more mature adults. If anything going straight to the NBA circumvents the instant celebrity, the kickbacks, and the 24/7 partying on college campuses and makes you 100% dedicated to your professional team. Secondly, at a college level an NBA caliber highschool player is instantly expected to perform in a leadership role as the star player in front of tens of thousands of their school's fans and on National TV, whereas an NBA rookie they would fall under the tutelage of more veteran players and teammates who can lend them advice on anything from Rebounds to Real Estate while having a less pressurized role where they can learn by watching and practicing against the very best.

Lets face it, all the kids coming from highschool are black athletes whom almost entirely come from poor families. It is unjust to deny someone with exceptional skill the chance to provide for that family, after all, it was their dream when honing these skills to one day play in the NBA so why force them to sit through classes that they don't want to be in, live in a college dorm, and earn no money to send home to mom or dad?
The NBA under the collective bargaining agreement gives guaranteed 3 year contracts to any first round draft pick, thus there is certain money for players regardless of how well they perform.

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Amplifier
The NBA is trying to limit high school players from joining the NBA before 20. I'm not sure what the politics are behind this I just feel bad for the kids affected.

Alot of us here were certified and had offers for high paying tech jobs out of highschool. Even if you went to college like me it was nice knowing the money potential was there. I hope the NBA doesn't do this, college really isn't all they crack it up to be.

Saw something on ESPN the other day. Some dude is trying to make this a racial issue. WTF did that come from? 😕

i actually saw that interview with Jermaine O'Neal and thought either he made little to no sense or totally got me lost there. i didnt get to see the whole thing, so i might have missed out some of his key points though.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: VanillaH

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Amplifier
The NBA is trying to limit high school players from joining the NBA before 20. I'm not sure what the politics are behind this I just feel bad for the kids affected.

Alot of us here were certified and had offers for high paying tech jobs out of highschool. Even if you went to college like me it was nice knowing the money potential was there. I hope the NBA doesn't do this, college really isn't all they crack it up to be.

Saw something on ESPN the other day. Some dude is trying to make this a racial issue. WTF did that come from? 😕

i actually saw that interview with Jermaine O'Neal and thought either he made little to no sense or totally got me lost there. i didnt get to see the whole thing, so i might have missed out some of his key points though.

I thought he made a nice effort to speak clearly and act composed when devloping an arguement. As a former Highschool to NBA player he is a perfect example of someone who has blossomed. He acted very maturely and had the capacity to discuss the matter unflustered live for nearly 15 minutes on NBA-Fastbreak on ESPN.

 

[SofaKing]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: SofaKing

Well, no sh!t, all the high school phenoms are heavily recruited and pressured into jumping into the NBA. That is why the NCAA has less and less talented players. I like this rule, players need to have the college experience, to mature as a player and a person. The education is also a plus if they need something to fall back on.

I disagree with every statement you just made.
The NCAA is prospering because of the most talented players not going to school. It levels the playing field and makes it harder fir teams like duke and UNC to dominate. honestly, would march madness be as fun if Lebron James made every game a cakewalk?

Major Division 1 College Basketball programs do very little to help develop kids into more mature adults. If anything going straight to the NBA circumvents the instant celebrity, the kickbacks, and the 24/7 partying on college campuses and makes you 100% dedicated to your professional team.

Lets face it, all the kids coming from highschool are black athletes whom almost entirely come from poor families. It is unjust to deny someone with except skill the chance to provide for that family, after all, it was their dream when honing these skills to one day play in the NBA so why force them to sit through classes that they don't want to be in, live in a college dorm, and earn no money to send home to mom or dad?
The NBA under the collective bargaining agreement gives guaranteed 3 year contracts to any first round draft pick, thus there is certain money for players regardless of how well they perform.

I disagree with your statements as well.

First of all, I never said the NCAA was downfalling because the lack of superstars that went off the the NBA, I was only pointing out that many of the talented players ended up jumping to the NBA rather than attending college.

If that's how you see it, then wow. I don't mean by experiencing college life but learning while playing on a college team. They learn to be less selfish and think of the team first rather than themselves. College players also play with more heart, something almost unexistent in the NBA, and I think these things should have an impact on the players.

 

[konakona]

I thought he made a nice effort to speak clearly and act composed when devloping an arguement. As a former Highschool to NBA player he is a perfect example of someone who has blossomed. He acted very maturely and had the capacity to discuss the matter unflustered live for nearly 15 minutes on NBA-Fastbreak on ESPN.

ok then, i guess i was the one having trouble following his logic. he related it to how these decision makers never had themselves in the poor college kids' shoes and dont know where they are coming from, and the whole thing was keeping them from achieving their dreams. then again, one must wonder how big of an impact this actually has on the majority of those kids? i failed to see a link there... can you try to recap his opinions that i missed for leaving early and not sitting through the whole thing? thanks 🙂

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: VanillaH

I thought he made a nice effort to speak clearly and act composed when devloping an arguement. As a former Highschool to NBA player he is a perfect example of someone who has blossomed. He acted very maturely and had the capacity to discuss the matter unflustered live for nearly 15 minutes on NBA-Fastbreak on ESPN.

ok then, i guess i was the one having trouble following his logic. he related it to how these decision makers never had themselves in the poor college kids' shoes and dont know where they are coming from, and the whole thing was keeping them from achieving their dreams. then again, one must wonder how big of an impact this actually has on the majority of those kids? i failed to see a link there... can you try to recap his opinions that i missed for leaving early and not sitting through the whole thing? thanks 🙂

I'd be happy to. Thank you for not blowing up at me for saying something that wasn't 100% aligned with your initial opinion.
The basic premise of Jermaine's concerns were that the NBA is having its most successful season since the Jordan era Chicago bulls were winning championships 10 years ago, which in his opinion was due to the success of young players who came from highschool (himself, Amare, McGrady, Kobe, Garnett, Lebron etc...) and thus there was no economic benefits for the league to require a minimum age. In conclusion, therefor, it is a powertrip by the NBA who with its actions are hurting young black athletes (not directly or maliciously hurting them, but because all highschool to pros are black it can only hurt blacks) who lose out on 2-3 years of prime age where they could be earning a large salary. His final statement was that if a player is not ready for the NBA then teams and scouts can use their own discretion and not draft that player.

 

[zainali]

owners dont want to pay $10 million to develop players.

amare and lebron were exceptions. not every high school player is as good.

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: zainali
owners dont want to pay $10 million to develop players.

amare and lebron were exceptions. not every high school player is as good.

but that doesnt necessarily mean there is a certain quota for the high schoolers that the owners are obliged to fill up, does it? keep the doors open for those kids, i would say...

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: zainali
owners dont want to pay $10 million to develop players.

amare and lebron were exceptions. not every high school player is as good.

So like Jermaine O'Neal said.....don't draft them.
In fact, many owners are against this idea, it is the NBA and David Stern who want it.

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Amplifier
The NBA is trying to limit high school players from joining the NBA before 20. I'm not sure what the politics are behind this I just feel bad for the kids affected.

Alot of us here were certified and had offers for high paying tech jobs out of highschool. Even if you went to college like me it was nice knowing the money potential was there. I hope the NBA doesn't do this, college really isn't all they crack it up to be.

Saw something on ESPN the other day. Some dude is trying to make this a racial issue. WTF did that come from? 😕

it came from not having a college education. College is more than going to classes.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: jst0ney

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Amplifier
The NBA is trying to limit high school players from joining the NBA before 20. I'm not sure what the politics are behind this I just feel bad for the kids affected.

Alot of us here were certified and had offers for high paying tech jobs out of highschool. Even if you went to college like me it was nice knowing the money potential was there. I hope the NBA doesn't do this, college really isn't all they crack it up to be.

Saw something on ESPN the other day. Some dude is trying to make this a racial issue. WTF did that come from? 😕

it came from not having a college education. College is more than going to classes.

Did you even watch the interview(s)?
You are diminishing the intelligence of someone based on the fact that they are a 7 foot black NBA player who did not attend college. I found it very mature and gutsy of him to call out the NBA on their powertrip when he is already set for life and the ruling in no way affects him.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
The NBA is trying to limit high school players from joining the NBA before 20. I'm not sure what the politics are behind this I just feel bad for the kids affected.

Alot of us here were certified and had offers for high paying tech jobs out of highschool. Even if you went to college like me it was nice knowing the money potential was there. I hope the NBA doesn't do this, college really isn't all they crack it up to be.

Umm...the NBA isn't diminishing high school players' ability to get jobs out of high school. But don't let the facts stop you.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Amplifier
The NBA is trying to limit high school players from joining the NBA before 20. I'm not sure what the politics are behind this I just feel bad for the kids affected.

Alot of us here were certified and had offers for high paying tech jobs out of highschool. Even if you went to college like me it was nice knowing the money potential was there. I hope the NBA doesn't do this, college really isn't all they crack it up to be.

Umm...the NBA isn't diminishing high school players' ability to get jobs out of high school. But don't let the facts stop you.

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