polls reveal majority of respondants unfavorably view black civil rights activism

[norseamd]

Remember when people say it is not the cause, but the way it is done? Remember decent people have morals, and they know whats right, like the utter sheer violence of restaurant sit-ins and school picketing.

 

[Atreus21]

Are you opposed to the rioting that took place in Charlotte?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

EDIT: nvm, should have read the fine print more carefully, lol

 

[norseamd]

Are you opposed to the rioting that took place in Charlotte?

I really have not actually followed it that much.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I understand your point that it was looked down upon in the 60's just as it is today, but what are the present black civil rights demonstrations trying to achieve?

I could be wrong but the current protests seem to want to put an end to a perceived plague of wrongful death of blacks at the hands of law enforcement (who are subtly or not so much so alluded to as being white), would that be accurate? And then it seems the majority of these wrongful deaths once the facts come out either aren't as wrongful as they first appeared or there is a lot of grayness in what is presented as black and white?

I think that the black community has plenty to be angry about, and there are many issues that need to be addressed. I also think they are latching onto the wrong narrative, even in regards to law enforcement. There certainly is a racial bias in terms of how they are policed vs whites, and that is causing them a lot of harm. But the idea that they are killed at the hands of police at a higher rate than whites has been shown to be incorrect, and I know that we aren't supposed to bring it up but black on black violence is a much more pervasive problem.

Many of us looking onto these protests aren't looking down on them because we aren't for black civil rights or think that there aren't issues worth protesting, but rather scratching our heads at what it is these protests are attempting to accomplish and the fact that it seems self desctructive over false narratives rather than protesting real injustices.

 

[norseamd]

I understand your point that it was looked down upon in the 60's just as it is today, but what are the present black civil rights demonstrations trying to achieve?

I could be wrong but the current protests seem to want to put an end to a perceived plague of wrongful death of blacks at the hands of law enforcement (who are subtly or not so much so alluded to as being white), would that be accurate? And then it seems the majority of these wrongful deaths once the facts come out either aren't as wrongful as they first appeared or there is a lot of grayness in what is presented as black and white?

I think that the black community has plenty to be angry about, and there are many issues that need to be addressed. I also think they are latching onto the wrong narrative, even in regards to law enforcement. There certainly is a racial bias in terms of how they are policed vs whites, and that is causing them a lot of harm. But the idea that they are killed at the hands of police at a higher rate than whites has been shown to be incorrect, and I know that we aren't supposed to bring it up but black on black violence is a much more pervasive problem.

Many of us looking onto these protests aren't looking down on them because we aren't for black civil rights or think that there aren't issues worth protesting, but rather scratching our heads at what it is these protests are attempting to accomplish and the fact that it seems self desctructive over false narratives rather than protesting real injustices.

Did you watch any of the videos of the shooting in North Carolina?

 

[UglyCasanova]

I did not, if you link to them I'll give them a watch. From my understanding (without watching the videos) the guy in Charlotte had a gun. The guy in Tulsa did not however.

 

[norseamd]

I did not, if you link to them I'll give them a watch. From my understanding (without watching the videos) the guy in Charlotte had a gun. The guy in Tulsa did not however.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-long-awaited-video-of-cop-killing-black-man/

 

[UglyCasanova]

I found this one which doesn't show me anything one way or another:

 

[UglyCasanova]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-long-awaited-video-of-cop-killing-black-man/

The dashcam vid is better quality but I still can't tell anything from it. They posted a pic of the gun he had, and I suppose you can run with the idea that was planted if you want to. I don't give a crap about the marijuana and I have seen articles where the Charlotte PD keeps mentioning this as if it means anything which is wrong of them and goes back to my post above that there are legitimate issues for the black community to protest.

If he did in fact have a gun (and at this point I have no reason to assume he didn't) then neither of those videos tells me anything on whether or not is was a lawful killing.

 

[MongGrel]

I really have not actually followed it that much.

Apparently not, as you posted a lot of poll info from the early 60's in the year 2016.

I wondered what your point was to begin with.

 

[Jaskalas]

Remember when people say it is not the cause, but the way it is done?

There's an inclusive way to build a movement against police violence... and then there's #BLM rioting for the cause of violent felons.

 

[agent00f]

Apparently not, as you posted a lot of poll info from the early 60's in the year 2016.

I wondered what your point was to begin with.

His point is that the same white people disapproved of negros demonstrating or getting uppity in the 60's as now.

 

[ivwshane]

There's an inclusive way to build a movement against police violence... and then there's #BLM rioting for the cause of violent felons.

You mean like reaching out to community leaders and politicians?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansas...ate/kansas/article90247307.html?client=safari

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...lack-lives-matter-st-0806-20160805-story.html

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_55cbbfebe4b064d5910a6f0b/amp?client=safari


Do you ever get tired of people doing the thinking for you? You ever get tired of being manipulated? The fact that you are so utterly ignorant about the movement and simply parrot the alt right talking points, tells me you aren't tired of it.

 

[Ackmed]

I really have not actually followed it that much.

Did you watch any of the videos of the shooting in North Carolina?

So someone asks you if you appose the riots in Charlotte, but you claim you haven't watched them. You haven't heard of them? Then you admit to watching the shooting videos? Please. Why not just answer his question instead of avoiding it.

Trying to compare all these current events with those in the 60's is also silly.

 

[UglyCasanova]

You mean like reaching out to community leaders and politicians?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansas...ate/kansas/article90247307.html?client=safari

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...lack-lives-matter-st-0806-20160805-story.html

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_55cbbfebe4b064d5910a6f0b/amp?client=safari


Do you ever get tired of people doing the thinking for you? You ever get tired of being manipulated? The fact that you are so utterly ignorant about the movement and simply parrot the alt right talking points, tells me you aren't tired of it.

You've got to be our most unpleasant member here, how you've not been banned just because of your tone in general is beyond me. I can't help but imagine that away from the keyboard you're very socially inept.

 

[norseamd]

So someone asks you if you appose the riots in Charlotte, but you claim you haven't watched them. You haven't heard of them? Then you admit to watching the shooting videos? Please. Why not just answer his question instead of avoiding it.

Trying to compare all these current events with those in the 60's is also silly.

More like I had recently read a few comments and headlines on the videos of the shooting itself.

 

[thraashman]

You've got to be our most unpleasant member here, how you've not been banned just because of your tone in general is beyond me. I can't help but imagine that away from the keyboard you're very socially inept.

Yes, how unpleasant it is that he expects members who have extreme opinions should base them on facts instead of bullshit and rhetoric.

 

[emperus]

There's an inclusive way to build a movement against police violence... and then there's #BLM rioting for the cause of violent felons.

Why don't you share this inclusive way to build a movement against police violence.

 

[interchange]

@norseamd, it would help me if you could be a little more explicit about the argument or question(s) you are posing. I think I would like to comment, but it feels as though presenting evidence without accompanying opinion is an invitation to be targeted. This is a controversial and complex subject. I think an air of safety would be more productive.

 

[Moonbeam]

@norseamd, it would help me if you could be a little more explicit about the argument or question(s) you are posing. I think I would like to comment, but it feels as though presenting evidence without accompanying opinion is an invitation to be targeted. This is a controversial and complex subject. I think an air of safety would be more productive.

As one of the few people who post here, sadly for me in your case occasionally, whom I feel has any real sense and understanding, it it's a treat tp see you comment here. I would suggest, if I understand your post correctly, something I am never sure about, that if what I say is correct, that you do have deeper understanding than most, then it is inevitable that you will be targeted. That is the way of things, that people prefer sleep to understanding because understanding is destructive of the ego, that understanding goes hand in hand with humility, open-mindedness, and the capacity to live with ambiguity and without certainty, to experience a state of compassion and love rather than a need to compete. It is difficult to live in a world and render no offence when practically everybody unconsciously feels offended. The ego is created to defend us against that and it takes tremendous will to know or a deep sense of desperation to die to it.

There is a Sufi saying that nobody is in trouble who goes straight ahead.

With regard to the question as to acceptance of black protest in the general population, I feel that the matter is best seen in light of conditioning. We were raised to conform to whatever imaginary norm our guardians felt we would be safe hold. Going against any such programmed norm, conformity to whatever state of morality any one society we live in holds dear, can't be helped but to be seen as a dangerous and seditious action. The safe way to live is to turtle up and stay in ones shell. to advocate for what is thought to be normal. The tragedy comes from the fact that we divide ourselves into the good, the protectors of the normal, and the evil, the other that wants its place in the sun. This division into the acceptable and the unacceptable is why humanity is in a constant state of war. We were conditioned by fear under threat of great pain. Every thing we fear, however, has already happened, so we defend ourselves really, only against the memories of our conditioning that could, if remembered and relived, lead to real understanding and release from the prison of the ego self.

 

[norseamd]

@norseamd, it would help me if you could be a little more explicit about the argument or question(s) you are posing. I think I would like to comment, but it feels as though presenting evidence without accompanying opinion is an invitation to be targeted. This is a controversial and complex subject. I think an air of safety would be more productive.

That the excuse that many of those who bitch about African-Americans, saying they are not racist, they just do not like what black people are doing, is basically bullshit, since they were moaning the same excuses when black people were protesting in clearly non-violent ways.

 

[HTFOff]

@norseamd, it would help me if you could be a little more explicit about the argument or question(s) you are posing. I think I would like to comment, but it feels as though presenting evidence without accompanying opinion is an invitation to be targeted. This is a controversial and complex subject. I think an air of safety would be more productive.

This is the WaPo article pictured in the OP. I'm guessing norseamd is trying to tow the line between downplaying BLM's shenanigans and outright condoning them.

Don't criticize Black Lives Matter for provoking violence. The civil rights movement did, too.

 

[norseamd]

This is the WaPo article pictured in the OP. I'm guessing norseamd is trying to tow the line between downplaying BLM's shenanigans and outright condoning them.

Don't criticize Black Lives Matter for provoking violence. The civil rights movement did, too.

I didnt get those images from the Washington Post article, I didnt even know about that article until just now when you put a link to it. I got these images from twitter, and they may or may not have originated from that article, but I would have no idea if they did or not.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

This is the WaPo article pictured in the OP. I'm guessing norseamd is trying to tow the line between downplaying BLM's shenanigans and outright condoning them.

Don't criticize Black Lives Matter for provoking violence. The civil rights movement did, too.

I personally don't have anything inherently against violent actions being used to counteract obvious injustices. If they are going to be used, however, it needs to be obvious exactly what they are bringing to attention, why the thing they perceive as a problem needs to be fixed, and how it is going to be fixed. Riots and looting of businesses in response to police shootings before we even know how justified said shooting was is not the way to go about it.