*Poll* your opinion of the "golden rule"

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

How does the "actual saying" differ from the "actual meaning"??

It's simple. Treat others the way you would like them to treat you. There is nothing inherent in the saying that applies to the way you treat yourself.

ok if you put it that way, it makes sense. i was not putting it into words very well, but i know what i meant in my head

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: MrDudeManobviously everyone knows the real saying, but i was talking about the actual meaning. if you treat yourself a certain way, you would want others to treat you the way which pleases you most.

Is that even English? My response to that is simply that I don't want other people jacking me off...

hehe good point. read my last post...i just didnt put it into words very well. i know what i meant, but it was just hard to convey. anyways, yes, that was english, i just care to waste a lot of time with punctuation and stuff online.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
edit: ok i dont want to argue. just answer the question please


do unto others as you would have them do unto you

do you think people should follow this?


*text edited out - i just want a response *

You're pretty damn demanding for someone ostensibly promoting the golden rule.

To answer your question - "ideally", yes. But there are too many hypocrites hiding behind this rule and plenty of excuses from them ("exceptions"). there is NO "one size fits all" in rules for living, but this one is "close" for most socities, IMO.

 

[Cerb]

Of course you should follow the golden rule.
But doing so truthfully will irritate some people and piss off others.

 

[Czar]

best rule ever

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cerb
Of course you should follow the golden rule.
But doing so truthfully will irritate some people and piss off others.

It doesn't always work . . .
. . . perhaps "you" are odd and you LIKE some things that MOST people doN'T. . . . Then that is another 'exception' to the Rule.

it's a pretty old rule . . . perhaps it should be updated.

 

[parsley007]

yep...i think if everyone followed it the world would be a better place

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
edit: ok i dont want to argue. just answer the question please


do unto others as you would have them do unto you

do you think people should follow this?


*text edited out - i just want a response *

You're pretty damn demanding for someone ostensibly promoting the golden rule.

To answer your question - "ideally", yes. But there are too many hypocrites hiding behind this rule and plenty of excuses from them ("exceptions"). there is NO "one size fits all" in rules for living, but this one is "close" for most socities, IMO.

i dont understand what you mean by the bolded sentence. i wasnt "demanding" an answer, hence the smiley face. i didnt write please because saying please for everything makes me feel like i am talking to a bunch of 5 year olds, which i know im not. that sentence in itself is kind of hypocritical, however, because it isnt being extremely nice. i just think saying please after everything gets old, especially if it isnt actually something where an actual demand must be met. now, if you go to your woman and say "do it now" then you probably wont get the repsonse you are looking for. my little rant here is off topic, but i wanted to let you know i wasnt being demanding.


it is just a good way to treat people i guess. i wasnt asking for criticism on my personal thoughts. all i was looking for what a general concesus.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: parsley007
yep...i think if everyone followed it the world would be a better place

i agree in most instances. there will always be abusers, so it could never be perfect (well, that is obvious anyways). now, if every single person was nice to everyone else, then it would be great. i hope that doesnt exclude sarcasm, however, because then i would have to never talk

 

[drum]

i was under the impression that most people exercise this rule:
do unto others before they do unto you

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: drum
i was under the impression that most people exercise this rule:
do unto others before they do unto you

huh?

 

[AFB]

I said no because I'm being an @ss today

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
edit: ok i dont want to argue. just answer the question please


do unto others as you would have them do unto you

do you think people should follow this?


*text edited out - i just want a response *

You're pretty damn demanding for someone ostensibly promoting the golden rule.

To answer your question - "ideally", yes. But there are too many hypocrites hiding behind this rule and plenty of excuses from them ("exceptions"). there is NO "one size fits all" in rules for living, but this one is "close" for most socities, IMO.

i dont understand what you mean by the bolded sentence. i wasnt "demanding" an answer, hence the smiley face. i didnt write please because saying please for everything makes me feel like i am talking to a bunch of 5 year olds, which i know im not. that sentence in itself is kind of hypocritical, however, because it isnt being extremely nice. i just think saying please after everything gets old, especially if it isnt actually something where an actual demand must be met. now, if you go to your woman and say "do it now" then you probably wont get the repsonse you are looking for. my little rant here is off topic, but i wanted to let you know i wasnt being demanding.


it is just a good way to treat people i guess. i wasnt asking for criticism on my personal thoughts. all i was looking for what a general concesus.

Well, MY use of the "eye-roll" is kinda like the smiley, only with a bit more sarcasm. I guess I (accidently, also) left out the -

it was the way you mentioned "golden rule" and then TOLD us exactly how to reply . . . kinda, ironic, IMO.

Finally, it's kinda "silly", to post this as a poll (yes or no) and THEN ask for an "opinion" . . .

You're not gonna get more than "ditto" from most people re: the golden rule . . . and you DID ask for criticism on you thoughts (every time you post here)

it's the best we have (so far) sigh . . .

edited

 

[MrDudeMan]

where did i tell you how to reply? as far as i can see, i just put up a poll that only has 2 answers, asked for your reasons (aka opinions) why, and thats it. i think you are a little off-base apoppin.


before i submitted, i just looked over this again and i still dont see where i was being ironic anywhere in the thread. i never said how anyone should reply...care to explain?

 

[dullard]

In a general sense the rule is a great rule to follow. Of course it should be updated to current English: "Treat people the way you would like to be treated". That update in English would solve a lot of hypothetical situations where the phrase "do unto" could be taken in the wrong way. Similarly the phrase "would have them" implys a forced response which negates their free will.

I think a general attitude like that would make the world a much better place. Thus everyone should try to exercise that rule. But it needs some common sense as well:
1) If you would like things done to you which aren't socially acceptable in ALL situations then do not follow the golden rule for that case. For example if you are a masochist (enjoy pain) you should not "follow the golden rule" and punch everyone in sight. Common sense should override and you should realize that this isn't the proper action. Some people will enjoy it, but the vast majority wouldn't.
2) Think about that part in bold. 'Would like to' does not mean 'will'. I would like to have everyone give me money - but it doesn't mean they will. Thus I would be taken advantage of if I decided to follow the golden rule and give people I see $100 (since I would like them to give me a lot of money back). Not everyone will respond back with the same kindness - and I'd soon be a bankrupt pushover if I followed the golden rule in that case.
3) The world needs some selfishness to operate. If everyone was equal then things would never get done. Someone has to take the risk, be the leader, etc to make a successful business/company/political party/etc. An unfortunate side effect of success is that some people get hurt along the way. A lot of interesting studies are being done that show societies are helped greatly by the selfish ones.

 

[MrDudeMan]

dullard - that was an excellent reply. i was kind of on that track, but you put it into words much more coherently than i did.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: parsley007
yep...i think if everyone followed it the world would be a better place

Not really.
Some people like directness and honesty.
Some people like politeness.
Some people like chit-chat.
Some people like attention.
I'm of the first, of course, and it's easy to offend people...OTOH, overly polite people piss me off, so I figure I'd rather be this way, as I would prefer to be treated the same way.

The world would be a better place if everyone knew what everyone else wanted and needed, and there was no miscommunication.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: parsley007
yep...i think if everyone followed it the world would be a better place

Not really.
Some people like directness and honesty.
Some people like politeness.
Some people like chit-chat.
Some people like attention.
I'm of the first, of course, and it's easy to offend people...OTOH, overly polite people piss me off, so I figure I'd rather be this way, as I would prefer to be treated the same way.

The world would be a better place if everyone knew what everyone else wanted and needed, and there was no miscommunication.

i agree that really polite people are extremely annoying. those people need to tone it down a little. there are a lot of little parts to this once you get around to discussing it, but it is basically a good starting point.

OTOH, above all else, communication is key to everyone understanding and coexisting together. without communication, extra problems usually develope, and who wants extra problems? i see your point, but getting people to communicate correctly would be even harder than getting everyone to be nice.

 

[LAUST]

Great rule, but it's like a 10mph speedlimit in a parking lot, NOBODY obey's

 

[Amused]

It is the foundation of a civil society, and also the foundation of most of our morals and laws.

The less it it followed, the less civil a society becomes.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Amused
It is the foundation of a civil society, and also the foundation of most of our morals and laws.

The less it it followed, the less civil a society becomes.

that is a very interesting POV. did you come up with that, or is that a quote? personally, i think this makes sense, but others will probably disagree.

laust, if you go slow in the parking lot and everyone else is stuck behind you, they must got the speed limit also dunno where i am going with that, but it sounds good!