POLL: Will Dennis Hastert be forced to resign?

dahunan

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rumsfeld is still in command - if anyone should have been forcibly removed in disgrace by now it should have been him
 

Moonbeam

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Do we know he is guilty anything? Did he know the explicit nature of the emails until recently? I would love to see every Republican go, but I don't think anybody should resign if they aren't guilty. What I want to believe is not necessarily what the facts are.
 

EagleKeeper

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If the evidence shows that he actually knew what was going on after the first set of warnings and did nothing then yes.

All present talk has the information getting to his Chief of Staff. None of the whistleblowers has said that they informed him directly.

And his orignial COS at the original time of the incident reporting is no longer iaround
 

dullard

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No, unless something much worse comes along, Hastert will not resign. He will not be forced to resign either. But things are changing daily with new information. I reserve the right to change my estimate on the situation.
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
All present talk has the information getting to his Chief of Staff. None of the whistleblowers has said that they informed him directly.

And his orignial COS at the original time of the incident reporting is no longer iaround
That is a brilliant tactic for all people in charge. Place at least one layer of underlings between you and any spark. If the spark ignites into a massive fire - it is your underlings' fault. If the spark simmers down to nothing - you did your job. Either way, you are in the clear.

This is a general post, not a specific Hastert post. I'm just trying to educate the rest of you on how to properly do business safely.
 
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He won't and probably shouldn't IMO. If he is, it will be a power grab by conservative Republicans who think he's too moderate.
 

Todd33

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I said no, he can't be forced, but public pressure will mount as more and more pages come forward and more coverup issues are found. He should resign, but people hate losing power.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Do we know he is guilty anything? Did he know the explicit nature of the emails until recently? I would love to see every Republican go, but I don't think anybody should resign if they aren't guilty. What I want to believe is not necessarily what the facts are.

You got it M. At present one might as well toss a coin. If it is demonstrated that he knew, then I'd say yes, but if not, then no. Not enough information yet.
 

randym431

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YES! But not so much fot THIS, rather for his disgusting actions in passing medicare part D. Lied to the house about the real costs, and held up the vote until they could twist the arm of their own members that were going to vote no. THATS what he should resign for.
 

Rainsford

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I don't think he will be FORCED to resign, but he should, for moral and political reasons, both of which were cited by the Washington Times editorial board of all places. In terms of ethical concerns, it seems pretty clear that if he didn't cover it up, he was at least asleep at the switch, he's basically proven he's irresponsible at the very least with the powers he's given. On the political front, his approach to this whole thing has been terrible, it looks like he's just trying to save his own skin, while looking guilty as hell, and pissing off the "family values" conservative voters and giving the Democrats an excellent way to paint all Republicans with the same brush. It's one thing when it's just one guy, but when it's Hastert himself involved, it tends to look bad for the party as a whole.
 

2Xtreme21

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Hahaha..

Hastert announced that a tip line had been activated for people to call if they have information on Foley or any problems with the page program, which brings high school students from around the nation to work on Capitol Hill. The number is 866-348-0481.

ATPN Effect anyone? :)
 

bctbct

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I think the bush served him up today when he went public thanking him for his posture on the issue.

The next speech will be thanking him for falling on the sword.

I am surprised by the number of republicans speaking out on his actions.... roves way to behead hassert and move on I think.

I could be wrong because I think like a democrat and i cant believe the public falls for this spin.
 

daveshel

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This morning I would have said no but the reports I saw during the day make me think he is on his way out.
 

Lemon law

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Hastert was just doing his job---being the front guy---looking like a cuddly non-threatening actually housebroken politician---while the real crooks run the house---it used to be Tom
Delay running the show, doing the corruption and power politics, calling the shots, and its was Hasterts job to look benign ---now its Boehner needing the cover----Regardless if Hastert goes or not, it will have no impact on the conduct of the house----it will still be corruption central.

But if the dems get control---it will take them quite some time to get back into corruption mode---and the repubs have corruption down to a perfected science after a dozen years.
And after Gingrich---they work on their image---and Ney fit the image---until he got caught---and that the sins folks---getting caught.--not doing the deed.--or helping someone else do the deed while looking the other way.

And if Hastert goes---who will they get to replace him?---surely not a reformer type.---but having the image might help.
 

WHAMPOM

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He will fall on his sword like a good soldier. Then corruption will continue like before, while his colleagues use Hastert as a sacrificial goat.
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Really all Republicans should resign. They have badly wrecked the nation.

I disagree. All Republicans, except George Bush should be reelected in November.
 

aidanjm

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Perhaps it will be better for the Democrats if he doesn't resign. His refusal to take responsibility and his attempts to shift blame onto others makes the Republican party look immoral and corrupt.

Amusing commentary:

Republicans liberal with sex-case blame

"House members who had had misgivings about Mr Foley blamed the leadership. John Boehner, the majority whip, manfully stepped up to the plate - and said it was all the fault of Dennis Hastert, the Republican Speaker of the House. Mr Hastert, in a brave display of personal responsibility, went cap in hand to the American people - and said the Democrats were to blame: they had deliberately held off on releasing the emails until they knew it would cause maximum political damage in next month's elections.

Now the Republicans, who coached the country through the great moral crisis of the Clinton presidency by promising to restore the virtues of individual morality, are in full blame-apportioning fury...

...

Whether this incident will so repel voters that they will turf the Republicans out is now the main topic in Washington. But in a sense the true lesson of this story is that, whatever happens at the mid-term elections, it further emphasises how detached from their political, cultural and moral moorings Republicans have become.

Republicans came to power in Congress 12 years ago to complete the conservative revolution begun by Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. But a decade or more later the Republicans are, like the pigs in Animal Farm, barely distinguishable from the rulers and the governing values they displaced. They have come, not only to tolerate big government, but to enthusiastically accept and garnish it, dispensing large public programs in health, education and domestic security with a verve that makes their Democratic forebears look miserly.

Republicans have embraced a corrupt culture of swapping dubious legislation to favour special-interest groups for large campaign donations. This is often done in hidden clauses in bills, reminding us too that, as someone once said, in Washington the truth is merely another special interest, and a not particularly well-financed one at that. Worse still, a number of Republicans have enriched themselves personally through accepting bribes.

It is in this context that the moral failings of the Foley scandal need to be considered. Having buried the conservative virtues of small government, honesty and truth beneath an avalanche of self-serving, self-aggrandising big government liberalism, they have finally embraced the last defence of the moral liberal - "I cannot tell a lie: someone else did it..."