POLL: Who will have the lead next gen? (for fun)

[LittleNemoNES]

Please explain your vote!

Based on the fact that ATI was working with Microsoft on Xbox360 I have a hunch that it may work in their favor with DX10

I know that Nvidia worked with PS3 but I don't know how that would affect DX10 development.

 

[Extelleron]

I have little to no doubt the R600 will be superior to G80.

As you said, ATI already has experience in next gen, unified GPU's since it worked on the Xbox 360. R600 is definately going to be unified. G80, we don't even know that yet.

In other news +1 to me for my 1000th post! Woot!

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
I have little to no doubt the R600 will be superior to G80.

As you said, ATI already has experience in next gen, unified GPU's since it worked on the Xbox 360. R600 is definately going to be unified. G80, we don't even know that yet.

In other news +1 to me for my 1000th post! Woot!

lol welcome. You are now officially addicted

 

[ElFenix]

G80 we know nothing about, R600 we know is based on R500 which is in the Xbox360, and i have little doubt that MS wanted DX10 level features in the 360. so ati does have a leg up, as it were. it's sort of like how nvidia designed the geforce 6/7 series to do exactly what carmack wanted, and so they've run doom3 and quake4 great.

 

[Piuc2020]

Wow and you thinkg you're special when you reach 1000, look at ElFenix's posts...

I have a feeling ATI will lead the next gen.

 

[sisq0kidd]

I have no idea.

 

[josh6079]

Intel!!

 

[n7]

I'd say XGI Volari for sure :thumbsup:

 

[aka1nas]

It's hard to say with any certainty, but if both companies execute well, I would probably say G80 will win for the very short term and perhaps the unified shaders of R600 will carry it forward when Dx10 games become more common. In many ways this is similar to the last DirectX transition. The FX series would have been somewhat less sucky if they had come out a year earlier as planned and competed with the 9700 rather than the 9800. The G80 is similar as it is a somewhat transitional product, which will probably excel at the games that are out at the time the card is released. The lack of unified shaders may hurt it later on when full Dx10 games come out, though at this point we really can't be certain.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Hmm, i dont see the option for 3dfx ver2.0 (ver 1.0 got consumed by NV).. last time i heard they were making a new secret graphics card, 20 years in the making known as the 3dFX voodoo9 10000 GDDR4 1024mb. Its VERY LONG!!!

Now back to being serious.. im thinking NV.

NV has been REALLY, and i mean REALLY milking the old NV40~NV47/G7x architecture to death. But with all the money/profit gained from it almost all of it goes to R+D for G80. NV claimed that theyve spent 250 million on R+D for G80. That is why we hardly see any changes to the G7x architecture because all the resources are going into the next gen card from NV. Its half a billion transistor straight from the horse's mouth. Already taped out, and could be released anytime soon according to Jen Hsun. (however he obivously wants to milk even more money out of more G7x variants according to the NV Q2 conference).

But from what i see, NV isnt stupid. Theyve obivously done a major face lift in the IQ department. I dont think they will screw up like they did with the NV30 aka FX 5800 ultra which not only costed them reputation, but sharemarket and even bringing NV closer to code red. A reason why that theres a rumour NV is sticking with the true and tried 90nm process, instead of 80nm. Plus all the old/recent patents from NV and the discussion in b3d hints at the point that this GPU could be VERY technologically advanced.

From what i see on R600, its a mixture of R500/R580. Ati isnt stupid enough to just throw away their really expensive architecture without milking it like NV did with their NV4x~ architecture. So the R600 could have elements of the R500 like a unified shader architecture plus R580 memory controller, and other flashy things. But im not really expecting a big jump in performance in DX9, but DX10 would be quite different.

The RSX in the PS3 is simply a 90nm G71 clocked at 550mhz using a 128bit memory interface. (With lesser ROPs and smaller bandwidth).

 

[Munky]

The r600 will most likely have a lead in technology, with unified shaders and all, but when it comes to performance - it's hard to say who will win. For the sake of competition, I hope neither side pulls off another FX series.

 

[nitromullet]

I guess it depends on how you define "lead"... There are a number of different segments to consider. These are my predictions:

DX9 Performance crown: NVIDIA. I think they are more focused on making a high performing DX9 card that is also DX10 compatible, and this will show in DX9 performance.

DX10 Performance crown: Tough to say overall, but I think ATI is going to have it. They worked with MS for the Xbox 360 chip, plus they just seem to be more focused in this direction then NVIDIA. Hopefully, the acquisition won't interfere with R&D at ATI too much.

Multi card/gpu solutions: NVIDIA. Dual card SLI will only get better, but I don't see any development for G80 based Quad-SLI in the near future if the heat/power rumors are true. ATI/AMD will still be playing catch-up with a new dongleless Crossfire, user editable/creatable profiles, and a chipset solution that doesn't rely on a ULI SB. The Crossfire capability of the 975X chipset and Conroe will help increase the popularity of Crossfire in the meantime though.

Image Quality: ATI will continue to dominate this as they have for the past few years, as I feel that IQ is overall a higher priority to ATI than NVIDIA. However, I think that NVIDIA will adopt angle independent AF and HDR+AA. Perhaps one (or both) will be able to implement high levels of AA (+8x) with a single card.

...just my 2, or 3, or 4 cents...

 

[Nightmare225]

Nvidia will win in the short-term, then R600 will be released and NVIDIA will respond with the G81. Anyone want to make bets?

 

[Crescent13]

ATI. Because Nvidia is "cheating" unified shaders, ATI has more experience.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Crescent13
ATI. Because Nvidia is "cheating" unified shaders, ATI has more experience.

Nvidia just plain isn'tusing unified shaders because they don't feel they need to be used yet. ATI might be jumping the gun.