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Poll: Who is waiting for GTX TITAN P ?

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Poll: Who is waiting for GTX TITAN P ? Are you going to buy it ?

  • Yes, i m going to buy it and already bought GTX 1080

  • Yes, i m going to buy it but i m going to skip GTX 1080 (not a sufficient upgrade)

  • No, i m not going to buy it, but i m going to upgrade my gpu in 2016

  • No, i m not going to buy it and i m not going to upgrade my gpu in 2016

  • I hate all GTX titans

  • I hate you (trollollol)

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Nvidia's FE cooler is fugly IMO. As for Titan I pretty much hate the card biggest rip off going I wish no one would buy them. This is Nvidia's way of conditioning people to higher prices just say no.
 
Arachnotronic said:
I hope AMD does a similar "Founders Edition" type product. The coolers on the NVIDIA Founders Edition cards are very pretty and I would like to see AMD do something similar. I recently bought an RX 480 and while the GPU itself performs quite well, I did wish that the cooler looked more premium.

Maybe with Vega?
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I disagree because there was another negative side-effect of the FE marketing non-sense: much higher average prices which are closer to the FE price rather than NV's MSRP. Most 1070 cards are $429.99-469.99, not $379.99. It's even worse for the 1080 as most cards are priced at more or less at $679-699.99, not $599.99.

Since looks are subjective, we have to look at all the negatives of the "pretty" FE style cooler:

- no 0 dBA which preserves the fan's lifespan
- no removable fans / harder to clean the dust out
- hotter under load
- louder under idle and load
- higher ASP for all AIB SKUs because arguably the blower cards are 'overpriced trash' and inferior from an engineering perspective

The FE marketing strategy resulted in $329 970 actual market price in the $429-449 region or at least a 30% price increase. It's even worse for the 1080 once we look back at the already overpriced mid-range $499 680 that now costs $650-700.

For anyone who doesn't get satisfaction out of funding a firm's R&D or isn't a shareholder/employee with vested financial interests, the FE pricing was one of the worst things to happen to the GPU industry. It's pretty much a miracle if 1080Ti costs $649-699 at this point.

Bacon1 said:
I thought the Fury X and Nano looked pretty damn good, but even though they both had good looking and performing coolers they got poor reviews for price/perf. Yet the throttling FE cooler gets sold out. Marketing... ^_^
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It speaks volumes about consumer psychology and lack of logic when it comes to objective purchases when fans of a certain GPU firm defend $100 premium on a card which has a GPU cooler that's miles worse than the cooler on a budget $113 GPU from the same brand.

Do you think if Apple or Samsung had a better screen on a $113 smartphone than on their $650-700 flagships it would be celebrated by the media/smartphone buyers? :sneaky:

Bacon1 said:
Titans are a huge money sink in general. They get outdone a few months later for something about half the price.
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I personally have no problem with the Titan series even costing $4,000-5,000 USD. My issue is that the Titan consumer series is now used to justify the 50-100% price increases across all other market segments under it.

Textbook NV marketing play => Take $549 GTX580 3GB, rename it as the Titan series and ~double the price; then increase prices for all other segments. That's how $349 GTX570 became the $649 GTX980Ti and I predict the GTX1080Ti will be another cut-down GTX570 successor but priced even higher than $649 because it'll be a "deal" relative to the $699 GTX1080. We are seeing the same strategy now copied by Intel which introduced a new magical price bracket of $1,723.

Unlike a flagship Porsche 918, McLaren P1 or LaFerrari that serve as halo products for the brand but do not justify massive price increases for the rest of the line-up, the Titan series marketing purpose was to justify price increases for the entire line-up, and not only serve as a Halo product. It is why NV chose to compare a $1000 Titan X to the $379 1070 rather than comparing a real retail $429-449 1070 to an after-market $530 GTX980Ti 😀

And it's only going to get worse if NV raises the Titan ePeen from $999 to $1299-1499. That just opens the door to price 1080Ti at $799-899. I guess we should feel happy supporting our favourite corporation by rewarding their investors. :thumbsup:

The last 2 Titans went like this:

late Feb 2013 $999 Kepler Titan
=> November 2013 $399 R9 290 that's faster
=> Sept 2014 $329 970 (meaning it was possible to buy 3x GTX970 for the price of a single Titan)

mid March 2015 $999 Maxwell Titan (in reality it sold much close to $1099)
=> June 2016 $400-450 1070 that's faster

There is no doubt that the Titan ePeen will be a repeat of the same. I am surprised NV doesn't do a Early Adopter/Founder Program at this point. Just release every new mid-range x80 flagship for $999 to Elite PC gamers and then release it to the public for $699 3 months later, x80Ti series for $1199, and then 3 months later $799-899. The same for the Titan series -> do $1999 for exclusive access and then $1499 3 months later.
 
Titan? Not a chance. I'd have to have money coming out of my ears. GPU's don't last long enough. I would consider spending a 1000+ on a CPU if it was really great because they last super long time, but GPU's become trash after a few years if you game at the high end. Absolutely useless garbage where same performance becomes available for $300 pretty quickly.
 
RussianSensation said:
It speaks volumes about consumer psychology and lack of logic when it comes to objective purchases when fans of a certain GPU firm defend $100 premium on a card which has a GPU cooler that's miles worse than the cooler on a budget $113 GPU from the same brand.
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I would disagree with this particular point though. The 1080 FE fan is miles better than the one on either the Titan X or GTX 980. It performs about as well, but at a significantly lower volume level.

The GTX 1080 FE fan at 70% is about as loud as the the EVGA ACX Cooler at 45-50%. I've had both a FE and the base ACX model to compare directly to each other acoustically. It's *really* quiet. It just doesn't move that much air compared to an aftermarket cooler, but still performs as well thermally as previous reference design fans. It's easily the highest quality blower fan that's ever been released in a GPU.
 
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alcoholbob said:
I would disagree with this particular point though. The 1080 FE fan is miles better than the one on either the Titan X or GTX 980. It performs about as well, but at a significantly lower volume level.

The GTX 1080 FE fan at 70% is about as loud as the the EVGA ACX Cooler at 45-50%. I've had both a FE and the base ACX model to compare directly to each other acoustically. It's *really* quiet. It just doesn't move that much air compared to an aftermarket cooler, but still performs as well thermally as previous reference design fans. It's easily the highest quality blower fan that's ever been released in a GPU.
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Techpowerup's results show that it's louder than the 980:

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The Titan X and 980 use the same cooler, but the fan profile allows it to be quieter than the 980 because it dissipates less heat. The 980 actually dissipates more heat than the 1070 (as its power consumption is higher), so perhaps the FE cooler is actually worse? Or maybe the fan profile is.
 
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I don't see myself spending that much money on an Nvidia card. A $1000 AMD card I'd buy in a heartbeat though.
 
IllogicalGlory said:
Unfortunately, AMD hasn't earned the following to price their cards like that. Even $650 is too much as it turns out.
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Pricing is a function primarily of performance, with a brand offset factor. NVIDIA's brand is stronger, so for a given level of performance it can charge more while keeping market share flat relative to AMD.

At least that's how I think of it.
 
IllogicalGlory said:
Techpowerup's results show that it's louder than the 980:

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The Titan X and 980 use the same cooler, but the fan profile allows it to be quieter than the 980 because it dissipates less heat. The 980 actually dissipates more heat than the 1070 (as its power consumption is higher), so perhaps the FE cooler is actually worse? Or maybe the fan profile is.
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The 980 gets loud if you overclock it. The main reason the 980 is quiet is because with stock clocks it's much cooler as 28nm has much lower heat density than 14nm FinFet. It typically only runs at about 45-50% during stock gaming, whereas the 1080 fan will usually get up to around 70%. Due to the higher heat density I would compare the 1080 fan performance more to the Titan X performance with the older NVTTM cooler.

But if you compare the chips when overclocked and at the noise level when the fans are all at > 60% it's a noticeable difference.
 
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Arachnotronic said:
Pricing is a function primarily of performance, with a brand offset factor. NVIDIA's brand is stronger, so for a given level of performance it can charge more while keeping market share flat relative to AMD.

At least that's how I think of it.
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Yeah. They need the performance crown too obviously. Maybe if they got it they could charge $1000 with the number AMD fans that seem to exist right now.
 
IllogicalGlory said:
Unfortunately, AMD hasn't earned the following to price their cards like that. Even $650 is too much as it turns out.
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FTFY. 😉

I'm personally very pleased that AMD cards don't cost $1K. I wish they had released the Radeon Pro at $1K though. That would be a hell of a value considering it's a true "Prosumer" card being able to run on both Radeon and Firepro drivers.
 
How about reducing the price of current GPUs? Prices have just gone up, never mind a $1K frisbee. The 1070 and 1080 are too much outside of the US, and even in the US eh.
 
MagickMan said:
Here's the deal: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1234597-REG/msi_gtx_980ti_lightning_le_geforce_gtx_980_ti.html

Those easily crank >1500MHz without throttling. For $400 it's a steal.
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OH!? That is...actually very tempting.

GF is still rocking the handy-me down 780 Lightning, which she loves (quiet and cool). Plan was to give her my 980 Ti when I got a 1080 Hybrid, but I'm starting to think I should just wait for GP102.

Might jump on that Lightning for her. And if I do get a GP102, she can go SLI 980 Tis!!! :O
 
There is an option missing in the poll - "i am not sure yet". Since in my case, whether i wait or not for it depends on the time of its arrival. If its next month, as rumored, then yes, if its December, then probably no.

Anyway, who actually believes, its coming next month and will be revealed at Gamescom? The rumor originates from Theo Valich, editor of Bright side of News or whatever its called, same guy, who claimed 1080 to have 1920 shaders few days before it was revealed... so i would take it with a bit of salt.
 
I am gonna get 2x 16GB HBM2 Titan P's, will probably have to upgrade my Xeon CPU's as well but it'll be worth it as I will keep them for 3-4 years.
 
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