I was looking for American opinions as to what they think. It's getting hard for me to decide who is lesser of the two evils: Osama and his gang or Bush and his thugs. Who really kills because of hatred? Because I think America may have to kill in the millions depending on how they define "terrorist"
Poll: Who is a terrorist?
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DangerAardvark
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I'm a terrorist. I just let hypothetical Bush die in that other thread by not alerting the SS to a plot on his life.
Why? In a nation of laws we don't kill people directly for any reason other than self defense or national imminent threat. We are a nation of laws and we have courts to decide who lives and who dies. It is not the individuals right, unless on a jury, to act on his own determination.
palehorse
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It's nice to see that common sense is prevailing in this poll (mostly)... however, I'd seriously like to have a long talk with those voting "no" on the insurgent question. WTF else are we supposed to do with people trying to kill Americans?! smile and wave!?
Lemon law
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WTF else are we supposed to do with people trying to kill Americans?! smile and wave!?
But we need to view the Afghani and Pakistani polls---When they ask what are we supposed to do with them lousy people trying to kill us---smile and wave because its American killing being justified by your own reasoning.
Maybe you need to take another look at your logic Palehorse74. Or do your double standards only go one way on your planet.?
But we need to view the Afghani and Pakistani polls---When they ask what are we supposed to do with them lousy people trying to kill us---smile and wave because its American killing being justified by your own reasoning.
Maybe you need to take another look at your logic Palehorse74. Or do your double standards only go one way on your planet.?
Lemon law
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So when you are on the battlefield and you encounter someone that is trying to kill you or any other American at all costs what do you do? Besides typing about it here on ATP&N?
You stay off the battle field and away from the logic that justifies anyone getting killed.---its really kinda simple given all the people here who are rushing to man the battlefield and pick fights.---why don't we realize war is an option to avoid---not an option to embrace?
You stay off the battle field and away from the logic that justifies anyone getting killed.---its really kinda simple given all the people here who are rushing to man the battlefield and pick fights.---why don't we realize war is an option to avoid---not an option to embrace?
He is a Muslim (Total Votes: 30)
yes
3 votes 10.00 (%)
no
27 votes 90.00 (%)
3 people on this forum are idiots.
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3 votes 10.00 (%)
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27 votes 90.00 (%)
3 people on this forum are idiots.
Lemon law
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To JD50---who asks---How about you answer the question?
I just did---You stay off the battle field and away from the logic that justifies anyone getting killed.---its really kinda simple given all the people here who are rushing to man the battlefield and pick fights.---why don't we realize war is an option to avoid---not an option to embrace?
What part about the problem being people who embrace war and pick fights don't you understand?---except in the case of 911 itself---we are invading them---and not the other way around. And for that matter, have you spent more than 2 milliseconds wondering why Al-Quida choose to attack us on 911? I certainly don't justify those attacks, but at least I can understand they had some reasons to have some grievances.
I just did---You stay off the battle field and away from the logic that justifies anyone getting killed.---its really kinda simple given all the people here who are rushing to man the battlefield and pick fights.---why don't we realize war is an option to avoid---not an option to embrace?
What part about the problem being people who embrace war and pick fights don't you understand?---except in the case of 911 itself---we are invading them---and not the other way around. And for that matter, have you spent more than 2 milliseconds wondering why Al-Quida choose to attack us on 911? I certainly don't justify those attacks, but at least I can understand they had some reasons to have some grievances.
palehorse
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but we are not trying to kill anyone who does not take up arms against us. We are not there to occupy or take over their land. We are not there to expand our borders. We are not there to kill any more of their people.
We are not the bad guys.
But you think we are, don't you? That's right, you think that we're the terrorists, don't you?
Guess what would happen if, out of the blue, one day our enemies put down their weapons...? THERE'D BE NO MORE FVCKING KILLING, THAT'S WHAT! We'd be able to return to training their military, rebuilding their infrastructure, advising their government, boosting their economy, etc - and then we could eventually get the fvck out of there!
The violence and death is perpetuated by them, not us. The continued slaughter of innocents is done by their hands, not ours.
100% of our troops would stop shooting, completely, if the enemy stopped killing and blowing everything up to cause chaos. Period.
100% of our soldiers would rather hand out medicine and candy than ever kill another Iraqi. Period.
But that can't be true, right? After all, according to you, Bush and our military are the most evil beings walking this earth.
You're sick man.
palehorse
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that would be all swell and dandy if this were the year 2002. But hey, guess what genius... It's 2007 and we are actually at war!!
You really have no frickin clue how to solve the problems here and now, do ya? You're stuck in lalaland where we can somehow erase everything that's happened and wind the clocks back to 2002. The only thing you care about winning is the Blame Game, isn't it?!
Whether or not the war itself was a good idea becomes irrelevant when the goal is to solve the problems and win the battles we are facing now. Don't you get that?
Lemon law
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No palehorse74----only after you get into an optional war that could have been avoided does what you post have any rationale--namely--Whether or not the war itself was a good idea becomes irrelevant when the goal is to solve the problems and win the battles we are facing now. Don't you get that?
What you don't get is that you must always ask if the war was a good idea---and you are the jerk who not only loves the current set of wars---you want to expand into Iran and Pakistan.
And if the war was not a good idea in the first place, continuing a bad idea won't solve a single root problem or win any real battles. And the latter statement I just made almost completely explains why your commander and thief's defective strategy is flopping so badly.
What you don't get is that you must always ask if the war was a good idea---and you are the jerk who not only loves the current set of wars---you want to expand into Iran and Pakistan.
And if the war was not a good idea in the first place, continuing a bad idea won't solve a single root problem or win any real battles. And the latter statement I just made almost completely explains why your commander and thief's defective strategy is flopping so badly.
Jaskalas
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Agreed, from London to Madrid to New York, to the Shoe bomber, to Fort Dix, to a shooting in Oakland, to a bomb found in a car in South Carolina on Saturday, to the DC snipers, the only security we shall have from the hateful ideology is to banish it from our land.
palehorse
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ummm, Welcome back to 2007! How was your trip?
I have never advocated or called for a war with Iran or Pakistan - not once.
I hope Pakistan becomes the ally they claim to be and works with us to eradicate AQ and the Taliban from their land. Completely failing or refusing to take action is absolutely unacceptable.
As far as Iran, I genuinely hope that we never go to war.
I really wish that you'd stop lying and putting words into so many peoples' mouths - especially mine.
the goal is to alter your course just enough to recover from the initial "mistake" and still accomplish some good. In other words, figure out a way to fix whatever broke instead of leaving the house in shambles.
huh?! Please translate that into normal moderate English for those of us who do not make monthly donations to moveon.org. Thanks.
palehorse
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Lemon: Please respond to the following scenario:
A killer decides to slaughter 300 schoolchildren in downtown New York. He then manages to flee to Mexico. Now, our FBI tracks his escape to a house in Mexico where he is in hiding. The problem, however, is that the local Mexican Police are too scared of the guy to raid the property, and they absolutely refuse to allow American Agents or Officers to go in and get the killer.
What would you do?
A) Say "aww shucks, ok, we'll just try and wait for him when he comes back to America.... we should be able to catch him then, right?"
B) Ask the Mexican Police to provide cover and assistance for your guys as they go in to get the killer.
C) If Mexican Police continue refusing to help, you go in and get the killer anyways.
D) Throw up your hands and go home - all the while pretending that there isn't really a killer hiding out in Mexico.
E) Negotiate with the killer and offer him your spare bedroom until his counseling and rehabilitation works itself out.
I eagerly await your response.
A killer decides to slaughter 300 schoolchildren in downtown New York. He then manages to flee to Mexico. Now, our FBI tracks his escape to a house in Mexico where he is in hiding. The problem, however, is that the local Mexican Police are too scared of the guy to raid the property, and they absolutely refuse to allow American Agents or Officers to go in and get the killer.
What would you do?
A) Say "aww shucks, ok, we'll just try and wait for him when he comes back to America.... we should be able to catch him then, right?"
B) Ask the Mexican Police to provide cover and assistance for your guys as they go in to get the killer.
C) If Mexican Police continue refusing to help, you go in and get the killer anyways.
D) Throw up your hands and go home - all the while pretending that there isn't really a killer hiding out in Mexico.
E) Negotiate with the killer and offer him your spare bedroom until his counseling and rehabilitation works itself out.
I eagerly await your response.
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