Poll: Which of these acts is more dispresctful to the US military

[HomerJS]

Poll remembering the late Senator John McCain

Simple question. The act of taking a knee during the National Anthem to protest inequities in our criminal justice system or publicly criticizing a US soldier just because he was captured and became a POW for 5 years?

 

[glenn1]

IMHO neither is disrespectful. The first is a textbook example of the values the military defends and the second is an asshole statement about a particular individual which doesn't scale to disrespect of the entire military. Also, the widespread fetishizing of the military in the U.S. really does need to be brought down several degrees, it's way out of control over the last 2-3 decades. It's like the pendulum completely overshot from the Vietnam days and has broken through the side of the clock cabinet and is flying across the room creating a sonic boom in its wake.

 

[LurchFrinky]

What does the first choice have to do with the military?

 

[dank69]

IMHO neither is disrespectful. The first is a textbook example of the values the military defends and the second is an asshole statement about a particular individual which doesn't scale to disrespect of the entire military. Also, the widespread fetishizing of the military in the U.S. really does need to be brought down several degrees, it's way out of control over the last 2-3 decades. It's like the pendulum completely overshot from the Vietnam days and has broken through the side of the clock cabinet and is flying across the room creating a sonic boom in its wake.

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

That certainly seems like he is degrading all POWs, no?

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump has played his cards in regards to McCain..He tosses stuff out to the rabid supporters at his rallies and sees what plays best. Shitting on McCain plays well, so he knows he needs to keep his distance on giving him any praise.

Trump is a showman, he understands his base and knows just how deplorable he needs to be to keep their support. Offering any praise of McCain now would make him look weak, and it doesn't earn him any supporters.

Sure, there's a base-level hatred he has of McCain that drives him, but he knows that his McCain hatred also satisfies his horde of rabid supporters, so he plays it up publicly, like scrapping the White House's public statement honoring McCain. Or raising White House flags to full-staff less than 48 hours after McCain died and before burial.

Trump definitely knows what appeals to his base, and what doesn't. Praising McCain in death wouldn't play well. Snubbing McCain in death is totally calculated. If his base reacts negatively to all this, he could change today. He could pretend that he and John were besties forever, pour buckets of praise over his head, while standing close enough to ensure that most of it splashes onto himself.

 

[Meghan54]

Trump has played his cards in regards to McCain..He tosses stuff out to the rabid supporters at his rallies and sees what plays best. Shitting on McCain plays well, so he knows he needs to keep his distance on giving him any praise.

Trump is a showman, he understands his base and knows just how deplorable he needs to be to keep their support. Offering any praise of McCain now would make him look weak, and it doesn't earn him any supporters.

Sure, there's a base-level hatred he has of McCain that drives him, but he knows that his McCain hatred also satisfies his horde of rabid supporters, so he plays it up publicly, like scrapping the White House's public statement honoring McCain. Or raising White House flags to full-staff less than 48 hours after McCain died and before burial.

Trump definitely knows what appeals to his base, and what doesn't. Praising McCain in death wouldn't play well. Snubbing McCain in death is totally calculated. If his base reacts negatively to all this, he could change today. He could pretend that he and John were besties forever, pour buckets of praise over his head, while standing close enough to ensure that most of it splashes onto himself.

Of course it feeds his base and apologists......look at glenn fervently defending Trump. Case closed.

 

[Meghan54]

What does the first choice have to do with the military?

Zero, actually.

 

[glenn1]

Of course it feeds his base and apologists......look at glenn fervently defending Trump. Case closed.

Saying he made an asshole statement about someone is a weird way of "defending" him.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Saying he made an asshole statement about someone is a weird way of "defending" him.

You said he wasn't being disrespectful to the military by stating he only is an asshole to John McCain when Trump is on record stating he doesn't respect POW's. Face it he's a disrespectful asshole to everyone not named Putin.

 

[UNCjigga]

c) Posting without a spell-checking extension

 

[alien42]

i can think of some more choices for the poll...

not knowing the lyrics to God Bless America and the National Anthem
not being able to correctly color the American flag

 

[Starbuck1975]

The first, depending on the context, could be disrespectful.

The second, which is the disrespect specifically shown to McCain’s time as a POW by a draft dodging President, is highly disrespectful.

The former is open to discussion. The latter should be condemned in no uncertain terms.

 

[dank69]

i can think of some more choices for the poll...

not knowing the lyrics to God Bless America and the National Anthem
not being able to correctly color the American flag

Attacking a gold star family.
Knows way more than the generals.

 

[cytg111]

Attacking a gold star family.
Knows way more than the generals.

Bone spurs? Not only disrespectful... Breaking the law AND being a coward.

 

[woolfe9998]

Trump has played his cards in regards to McCain..He tosses stuff out to the rabid supporters at his rallies and sees what plays best. Shitting on McCain plays well, so he knows he needs to keep his distance on giving him any praise.

Trump is a showman, he understands his base and knows just how deplorable he needs to be to keep their support. Offering any praise of McCain now would make him look weak, and it doesn't earn him any supporters.

Sure, there's a base-level hatred he has of McCain that drives him, but he knows that his McCain hatred also satisfies his horde of rabid supporters, so he plays it up publicly, like scrapping the White House's public statement honoring McCain. Or raising White House flags to full-staff less than 48 hours after McCain died and before burial.

Trump definitely knows what appeals to his base, and what doesn't. Praising McCain in death wouldn't play well. Snubbing McCain in death is totally calculated. If his base reacts negatively to all this, he could change today. He could pretend that he and John were besties forever, pour buckets of praise over his head, while standing close enough to ensure that most of it splashes onto himself.

Why does bashing McCain improve support from his base? I understand that McCain crossed party lines from time to time, but not nearly as often as some people have claimed. His vote against the GOP healthcare bill was his last defiant act, but that happened long after Trump began trashing him, which started during the campaign.

 

[woolfe9998]

The first, depending on the context, could be disrespectful.

The second, which is the disrespect specifically shown to McCain’s time as a POW by a draft dodging President, is highly disrespectful.

The former is open to discussion. The latter should be condemned in no uncertain terms.

In what context would "taking a knee during the National Anthem to protest inequities in the criminal justice system" be disrespectful to the military?

 

[trenchfoot]

In what context would "taking a knee during the National Anthem to protest inequities in the criminal justice system" be disrespectful to the military?

I'm thinking it's because Trump came right out and said it's disrespectful to our veterans.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ng-disgraceful-disrespectful-to-veterans.html

As an aside, I'm a retired vet and I sure didn't feel dissed when those players took a knee.

 

[woolfe9998]

I'm thinking it's because Trump came right out and said it's disrespectful to our veterans.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ng-disgraceful-disrespectful-to-veterans.html

As an aside, I'm a retired vet and I sure didn't feel dissed when those players took a knee.

Nor should you be. Their protest is aimed at police, not military. Those who argue that they're disrespecting symbols that the troops have fought and died for are being ridiculous. I certainly hope no one is out dying for a piece of cloth. What a waste of life. America isn't about flags and symbols.

 

[glenn1]

You said he wasn't being disrespectful to the military by stating he only is an asshole to John McCain when Trump is on record stating he doesn't respect POW's. Face it he's a disrespectful asshole to everyone not named Putin.

If I were talking about Trump and said “he’s not a successful businessman, I prefer businessmen who haven’t filed bankruptcy multiple times” am I insulting Trump personally or the class of everyone who has filed bankruptcy generally? If you think the later you’re entitled to whatever opinion you want but I’ll still think it’s wrong.

 

[Starbuck1975]

In what context would "taking a knee during the National Anthem to protest inequities in the criminal justice system" be disrespectful to the military?

It’s been covered in other threads. You are welcome to read what I wrote in them. My vote as presented by the OP is the one clearly in support of McCain.

 

[SNC]

Where is the thread to vote on the lamest poll in 18? Not sure your point but I dont think it was very well thought out.

 

[HomerJS]

Where is the thread to vote on the lamest poll in 18? Not sure your point but I dont think it was very well thought out.

Comparing Trump's rhetoric to his actions and see how many people can discern the truth. Why is that irrelevant?

 

[SNC]

Comparing Trump's rhetoric to his actions and see how many people can discern the truth. Why is that irrelevant?

When has Trump taken a knee?

 

[HomerJS]

When has Trump taken a knee?

Stop pretending. Trump has claimed taking a knee is disrespectful to the troops. My contention is while he misrepresents the reason behind the protest he is the most disrespectful by dumping on a POW for being captured.

Not hard to understand.

 

[SNC]

Stop pretending. Trump has claimed taking a knee is disrespectful to the troops. My contention is while he misrepresents the reason behind the protest he is the most disrespectful by dumping on a POW for being captured.

Not hard to understand.

Like I said you didn't think it through ever well. You didn't ask if the act of saying something is disrespectful, you asked if the act itself was.