POLL:Which is better... Geforce3 TI200 or ATI Radeon 8500

[ksherman]

see title

 

[Rand]

One might be able to make a valid case for the Ti500, but the R8500 is clearly superior in pretty much every respect against the Ti200 IMHO.
Radeon 8500, faster then the GF3 Ti200 with a better feature set pretty much across the board, along with numerous little extra's in the way of superior FSAA visual quality, better DVD playback, better 2D visual quality in most cases, better TV-Out capabilities, plus your get DVI-Out, TV-Out, and HydraVision by default. etc.

 

[CubicZirconia]

I'll agree that the 8500 is better, but the ti200 is certainly no slouch.

 

[ksherman]

thanks you guyz. i have always been setting my eyes on the 8500 anyway, but i wanted to double check.


Ksherman

 

[Tates]

I switched from a GF3 original to a Radeon 8500. I consider it a very nice upgrade

 

[LongCoolMother]

radeon 8500 by all means. the ti500 is more comparable to the 8500

 

[BFG10K]

but the R8500 is clearly superior in pretty much every respect against the Ti200 IMHO.

The GF3 Ti200 has better drivers and better image quality and rendering accuracy in 3D applications. While you might want to take the Radeon 8500 because of its extra speed and features, personally I'd probably get the GF3 Ti200.

 

[Mitzi]

The Radeon 8500 beats the TI2000 in almost every respect (granted the drivers are still maturing). The Radeon 8500 gives the Ti500 a run for its money.

 

[amiel]

I actually use a ti500 but I got a really good deal for a R8500 so the later is currently in my AGP slot right now while my ti500 is "resting" in an anti-static bag. I really wanted to see how this card performed compared to the ti500. I also recently had the chance to try a GF3 ti200 from a friend of mine just out of curiosity.

the ti200's dependability reminds me of how i used to buy lots of new "3d accelerated" games without any doubt that my voodoo2 can handle them well back in '97. Also, the ti200 can easily reach the original gf3's performance with modest overclocking.

On the other hand, the 8500 has the better feature set and raw speed to last through 2002. It's just the drivers that need to be straightened-out. I mean, why can't i find a single 8500 driver that works without problems like nvidia's?

 

[Meaker10]

I just ordered a 8500 and from all the reviews it has better image quality than the ti 500 but i admit is slower but cheaper and faster than the ti200. Watch out oem models are slower.

 

[Rand]

<< but the R8500 is clearly superior in pretty much every respect against the Ti200 IMHO.

The GF3 Ti200 has better drivers and better image quality and rendering accuracy in 3D applications. While you might want to take the Radeon 8500 because of its extra speed and features, personally I'd probably get the GF3 Ti200. >>



I'd agree that nVidia has the better drivers, but personally I feel ATi's drivers are reasonably good at this point in time. As for image quality and rendering accuracy I strongly disagree that nVidia has any clear advantage in that respect. Image quality often seems to come down to personal preference between the two, and rendering acuracy can vary significantly depending upon the individual game.

 

[A5]

Two words: Infinite Loop.

<-- Disgruntled Ti200 owner.

 

[jiffylube1024]

I'd get the Ti200 personally but the R8500 is a great card.

 

[ksherman]

i want to thank you all... you have made my decision easier. I'm GETTIN a RADEON!!! where is a good place to buy one? i found one on Egay that is brand new retail for 172 shipped.

 

[Mavrick007]

The best price and place to get one right now is at Newegg. You can get it for $154 + $10 s/h. It's a great deal on a very nice card.

 

[Rand]

<< Two words: Infinite Loop.

<-- Disgruntled Ti200 owner. >>



I know how you feel.... luckily I've managed to remove the infinte loop but at the cost of dropping to AGP 1X, even then I've only found three driver revisions that are stable.
Thankfully dropping to AGP 1X doesnt cost too much performance relative to 2X/4X.

 

[CoDerEd]

Radeon all the way

 

[BFG10K]

As for image quality and rendering accuracy I strongly disagree that nVidia has any clear advantage in that respect

nVidia has true trilinear filtering and true anisotropic filtering while ATi's approximation of these two modes are no match for nVidia's methods. Also not being able to do tri + ani on the Radeon at the same time is a real image quality killer. And then there's the loads of internal accuracy that the GF3 has over the Radeon 8500 which makes it excel in all forms of multipass rendering.

But I agree, a lot of people people would struggle to tell the difference between the two cards. However personally they're very visible to me.

luckily I've managed to remove the infinte loop but at the cost of dropping to AGP 1X,

The more I read about your problem the more I suspect that your motherboard is at fault with regards to the nv4_disp.dll infinite loop error. Dropping to AGP x1 and getting stability in return is a classic sign of this.

 

[Mem]

I would go for the GF3 Ti200 between the 2,nobody will argue the 8500 has great 2d image quality and is faster,however there`re a few good GF3 Ti200 with very good 2d,the reason I would go with GF3 Ti200 is simple,all my games run fine and I `ve never had the infinite loop error with 28.32 drivers in 4xAGP mode & only twice with 23.11 drivers,remember the loop error is not 100% Nvidia more like 90-95% or so since other cards like ATi owners have also reported some loop errors as well.

In the end it`s down to speed and driver quality plus the added features between the two.


If I was buying a card within few weeks or so, I would probably wait & go for the GF4 Ti4200.

Anyway you`ve made your choice so I can only wish you`ve good luck with your Radeon 8500 card .

 

[BAMAVOO]

I just went from the Geforce3 Ti200 to the Radeon 8500..I must say the Radeon is killing the Ti in 2d and 3d graphics..Speed and everything else..I had the Radeon 64meg Vivo before and loved it..Guess I will stay with ATI from now on

 

[jonmcc33]

All of you GeForce3 Ti 200 owners with problems, what the crap are you doing? I have had a Visiontek GeForce3 Ti 200 for over seven months now and never seen any infinite loop. Any problems are user error, period. Stop blaming your faults on the card when it's obviously user error.

 

[BFG10K]

I have had a Visiontek GeForce3 Ti 200 for over seven months now and never seen any infinite loop.

I've never seen it either and I've used loads of nVidia cards and dozens of WHQL, official and beta Detonators.

Any problems are user error, period. Stop blaming your faults on the card when it's obviously user error.

That's a little harsh, don't you think?

The nv4_disp.dll is a very real problem affecting a large amount of users and I don't believe that it is caused by incompetance or PEBCAK issues. Having said that, I also don't think that it's caused by nVidia either but rather by very specific motherboads and how they react to running Windows 2000/XP in conjunction with modern video cards (it's not just nVidia that has this problem).

Also nVidia's drivers have their faults too and it doesn't do anyone any good to pretend that they don't exist, but they are as close to perfection that you're going to get out of any of the current video card vendors.

 

[A5]

<< All of you GeForce3 Ti 200 owners with problems, what the crap are you doing? I have had a Visiontek GeForce3 Ti 200 for over seven months now and never seen any infinite loop. Any problems are user error, period. Stop blaming your faults on the card when it's obviously user error. >>


Oh yeah...a DLL error is MY fault

I've tried multiple drivers, so it's probably a power delivery issue or something...

 

[Emo]

I think that the ATI 8500 is the better card if you disregard driver and cost issues. When I was making the choice between the two, it was a no-brainer to pick the $100 Ti200 from BestBuy. If I were making that decision today, I am not so sure. Looking on pricewatch, OEM ATI 8500s are not much more than Ti200s. Why don't you wait for the lower end Geforce 4s to show up? I think that a 64MB Ti 4200 with 250/500Mhz clock would be better than both cards.