Poll: What is the bigger scandal, Hunter Biden or Jared Kushner?

[HomerJS]

You do remember that the laptop was well known to the FBI long before it became available to other investigators and those were already talking about it before the election of 2020? That the left, including a highly partisan media lied about it, concealed it and misinformed the country for well over a year about it ? Of course you do, and that's why you continue to lie about what's in it.

If Rudy had the contents why didn't he just release them to the public?? Could it be that would reveal this was a big nothingburger? Could it be that kind of release couldn't stand up to public scrutiny?

Your turn

 

[fskimospy]

Sure. It has to do with the current availability of facts, and if they're both guilty, then they can both fall on their sword. I've always stated that let the truth be truth and that all should be held accountable, regardless of political party.

Hunter received that money while his father was Vice-President, which then media outlets covered up during the 2020 election and even outright banned people for talking about it. As I stated before, polls show that sufficiently enough Independents would have voted differently had that story not been suppressed. And make no mistake, there was no possible way he would have ever received that money unless his father was in office. Hunter has ---zero--- experience in these fields, meaning Joe Biden had something to do with getting it, and the likelihood of shenanigans is very strong. The extent of that hasn't been fully investigated, but it's not going to look good for Biden.

China even has a name for children of these high ranking officials. This is a very common corruption tactic in the East where high ranking officials will utilize their children to funnel money through so it looks "more legit."

As for Kushner, I think we can both agree that the dude just looks like he could use a punch to the face. I never thought he was a good fit for the Trump campaign as he seems to consistently land himself in controversial hot water. Unlike Hunter, Kushner is an experienced business man with high level ties prior to joining the administration.

I'll be specific with the differences here:

• The Crown Prince invested $2B into Kushner's Firm in return for a 28% stake in Kushner's Affinity Partners. That's not illegal, that's just a business deal. I'm not saying it looks good, but it's not an investment in return for political favors.
• While Joe Biden was vice-president, Hunter Biden received a combined ~$50M from Russian and Chinese businesses and oligarchs. Hunter has zero experience in any of these fields which strongly suggests there were political favors being made in return.

To be fair, the Hunter Biden story is more developed. But if Kushner is guilty of corruption, then he deserves the consequences.

And the $1.6 billion bailout from Qatar affiliated entities while Kushner was in office?

Also, the idea that this Saudi money is not an investment in return for political favors is laughable. That’s exactly what it is. You think Saudi Arabia is throwing billions at Kushner despite the fact that he has zero experience in the field and a demonstrated record of failure in other business, against the recommendations of the Saudis’ own finance people, is a business investment? Come on, you can’t really buy that.

 

[fskimospy]

If Rudy had the contents why didn't he just release them to the public?? Could it be that would reveal this was a big nothingburger? Could it be that kind of release couldn't stand up to public scrutiny?

Your turn

The reason the media didn’t report on it is because the origin of the laptop was about as suspicious as you can possibly be. And guess what? The media turned out to be right and Taj turned out to be wrong. The laptop has clearly been manipulated, just as we all predicted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/

Not that Taj cares about if he’s right or wrong, his goal is to promote right wing narratives regardless of the level of lying necessary.

 

[zinfamous]

There's is plenty of evidence on the laptop. That's why the left has tried so hard to hide it.

you've posted plenty of evidence here that you are a child-molesting infanticidist.

What more are you trying to hide, though?

 

[dank69]

Sure. It has to do with the current availability of facts, and if they're both guilty, then they can both fall on their sword. I've always stated that let the truth be truth and that all should be held accountable, regardless of political party.

Hunter received that money while his father was Vice-President, which then media outlets covered up during the 2020 election and even outright banned people for talking about it.

This is a distortion of the truth. It was not verified during the 2020 election and reputable media outlets were clear about THAT being the reason that they were treating it as such. You are also conflating media and social media in order to deceive yourself and others. Some social media companies banned users that were spreading unverified claims as fact. By changing that to "media outlets" you can push your narrative that mainstream news was censoring people. That is something you clearly believe despite zero evidence to prove it. Even the term mainstream is deceptive as Fox News is one of the most mainstream news outlets available. Your entire narrative is deception all the way down.

As I stated before, polls show that sufficiently enough Independents would have voted differently had that story not been suppressed.

Link up these polls friend. Let's see what kind of slop you're ingesting.

And make no mistake, there was no possible way he would have ever received that money unless his father was in office. Hunter has ---zero--- experience in these fields, meaning Joe Biden had something to do with getting it, and the likelihood of shenanigans is very strong. The extent of that hasn't been fully investigated, but it's not going to look good for Biden.

This is pure conjecture on your part. It is more likely that Hunter got many of these deals because of the connections he made while attending Yale. In fact, that is what is usually found when actual journalists actually investigate these allegations.

China even has a name for children of these high ranking officials. This is a very common corruption tactic in the East where high ranking officials will utilize their children to funnel money through so it looks "more legit."

Sure, it is morally suspect but what is the crime here? List the statutes that have been broken and the evidence proving they were broken.

As for Kushner, I think we can both agree that the dude just looks like he could use a punch to the face. I never thought he was a good fit for the Trump campaign as he seems to consistently land himself in controversial hot water. Unlike Hunter, Kushner is an experienced business man with high level ties prior to joining the administration.

As mentioned already, Hunter had plenty of business ties through Yale.

I'll be specific with the differences here:

• The Crown Prince invested $2B into Kushner's Firm in return for a 28% stake in Kushner's Affinity Partners. That's not illegal, that's just a business deal. I'm not saying it looks good, but it's not an investment in return for political favors.
• While Joe Biden was vice-president, Hunter Biden received a combined ~$50M from Russian and Chinese businesses and oligarchs. Hunter has zero experience in any of these fields which strongly suggests there were political favors being made in return.

To be fair, the Hunter Biden story is more developed. But if Kushner is guilty of corruption, then he deserves the consequences.

LOL you don't even see your extremely motivated reasoning here. It's just sad.

 

[soundforbjt]

I’ll ask a real simple question concerning the laptop and eagerly await the answer: Is there any verifiable proof that Hunter Biden ever owned or touched that laptop?

Without proof, it’s all conspiracy.

 

[fskimospy]

This is a distortion of the truth. It was not verified during the 2020 election and reputable media outlets were clear about THAT being the reason that they were treating it as such. You are also conflating media and social media in order to deceive yourself and others. Some social media companies banned users that were spreading unverified claims as fact. By changing that to "media outlets" you can push your narrative that mainstream news was censoring people. That is something you clearly believe despite zero evidence to prove it. Even the term mainstream is deceptive as Fox News is one of the most mainstream news outlets available. Your entire narrative is deception all the way down.

Link up these polls friend. Let's see what kind of slop you're ingesting.

This is pure conjecture on your part. It is more likely that Hunter got many of these deals because of the connections he made while attending Yale. In fact, that is what is usually found when actual journalists actually investigate these allegations.

Sure, it is morally suspect but what is the crime here? List the statutes that have been broken and the evidence proving they were broken.

As mentioned already, Hunter had plenty of business ties through Yale.

LOL you don't even see your extremely motivated reasoning here. It's just sad.

Any person who thinks the Saudis gave Kushner that money for business reasons rather than political ones is living in a fantasy world.

If nothing else, compare the terms of the deal they struck with Mnuchin, someone with actual financial expertise and a track record of success. Kushner’s only business deal of note almost bankrupted his family’s company until they secured a previous corrupt bailout. Why would you give the fail son a better deal?

 

[zinfamous]

This is a distortion of the truth. It was not verified during the 2020 election and reputable media outlets were clear about THAT being the reason that they were treating it as such. You are also conflating media and social media in order to deceive yourself and others. Some social media companies banned users that were spreading unverified claims as fact. By changing that to "media outlets" you can push your narrative that mainstream news was censoring people. That is something you clearly believe despite zero evidence to prove it. Even the term mainstream is deceptive as Fox News is one of the most mainstream news outlets available. Your entire narrative is deception all the way down.

Link up these polls friend. Let's see what kind of slop you're ingesting.

This is pure conjecture on your part. It is more likely that Hunter got many of these deals because of the connections he made while attending Yale. In fact, that is what is usually found when actual journalists actually investigate these allegations.

Sure, it is morally suspect but what is the crime here? List the statutes that have been broken and the evidence proving they were broken.

As mentioned already, Hunter had plenty of business ties through Yale.

LOL you don't even see your extremely motivated reasoning here. It's just sad.

He's just mad that it didn't work out like the last-minute "Hillary emails!" bomb that also turned out to be exactly nothing whatsoever....too bad of course, because it completely changed the election and the course of democracy in this world.

These fascists won't rest until the world is a smoldering husk, and their favored religious zealots are raptured up into the heavens over the charred corpses of our heathen, literate bodies.

whatever it takes to get the fascists back in power to perpetuate endless wars to bring it about, is what must be done. This is why we currently have Hunter's laptop. It sounds completely stupid, but these are very stupid people and it really does seem to be all they need to tip the scales.

 

[MrSquished]

It's amazing to see conservatives all of a sudden saying things like the degree of a crime matters not. I mean there are clear fundamental and moral reasons there is a criminal code that make strong differentiations between crimes.

They just say this so they can pretend to be moral when we all know the trump family makes Hunter Biden look like an amateur. I mean Jared and Ivanka were in the white House getting access to classified shit while Jared was making fucking business deals.

It's not even on the same fucking planet.

Christ these people are insufferable.

 

[MrSquished]

Taj needs to get to an AA meeting. Being an angry drunk on a Tuesday night looks like a drinking problem.

You guys gotta stop thinking these people are drunk or on drugs. This is who they are, evil plain as day, and if you don't wake up and prepare to defend morals and values from these sickos, the country is gone.

 

[Bitek]

You do remember that the laptop was well known to the FBI long before it became available to other investigators and those were already talking about it before the election of 2020? That the left, including a highly partisan media lied about it, concealed it and misinformed the country for well over a year about it ? Of course you do, and that's why you continue to lie about what's in it.

"Concealing" and "no one listening to Rudy and Bannon because they are serial liars with no credibility" are two very different things.


Don't lie and spread ridiculous conspiracy theories, and maybe what you say will have some weight.

Still mark me in the skeptical column when the source of information is also claiming the election lost by a 42% approval rating POTUS was actually rigged by Hugo Chavez from beyond the grave.

 

[nOOky]

There may not be any crimes, but that's yet to be determined.

Democrat's bigger concern with the Hunter Biden story is with Independents. Polls clearly show that if Independents had known about the story, enough of them wouldn't have voted for Biden that Trump would have actually won. Unfortunately, this story was downplayed/covered-up at the time, and even mentioning it could get you banned on social media platforms. That doesn't look good for Democrats.

As far as crimes are concerned, that's yet to be determined because the story hasn't been fully investigated. I've always stated that let the truth be the truth, and that we should hold accountable everyone of wrongdoing regardless of political party. Hunter may not have done anything (significant) that's wrong, but he likely also would never have been paid for anything without his father being vice-president at the time. Oh, and he also took $4M from a Russian oligarch while his father was accusing Trump of being a Russian agent. Doesn't look good for Democrats.

Again, your issue is with Independents.

The fact that this Kushner story is just coming out now tells me that Democrats think the Hunter Biden Laptop Story is significant enough that some political misdirection is needed.

Ummm, no. Hunter made zero difference in this independents mind lol. Years later and they is still no crime Hunter has been convicted of. I guess if you think so that makes us even for Hillary getting screwed over during her campaign by timely news reporting eh?

 

[HomerJS]

"Concealing" and "no one listening to Rudy and Bannon because they are serial liars with no credibility" are two very different things.


Don't lie and spread ridiculous conspiracy theories, and maybe what you say will have some weight.

Still mark me in the skeptical column when the source of information is also claiming the election lost by a 42% approval rating POTUS was actually rigged by Hugo Chavez from beyond the grave.

Also Rudy won't release the "contents" to the public

 

[PowerEngineer]

The OP's question is a little bit like asking who will win the Super Bowl next year. We can only guess based on what little we know or understand right now.

What does seem clear already is that both are/were only too willing seek out personal financial gain in return for implicit influence over their family's political positions. Even if not explicitly illegal, their actions are unseemly and deplorable. It is a problem not uncommon within all powerful families regardless of their party affiliations.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So which is it? Did the media lie about it or did they conceal it?

You are having trouble keeping your story straight because your ideology keeps you from the truth. It’s the same ideology that has you siding with traitors, the same ideology that has you supporting the murder of innocent people including children.

You are a member of a cult.

Only a dipshit like you would have trouble with the media doing both as evidenced by TWITTER banning mention of it on their platform and the NY Times lying that it was Russian disinformation.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

If Rudy had the contents why didn't he just release them to the public?? Could it be that would reveal this was a big nothingburger? Could it be that kind of release couldn't stand up to public scrutiny?

Your turn

I have no knowledge if Rudy had them or not.

 

[ivwshane]

Only a dipshit like you would have trouble with the media doing both as evidenced by TWITTER banning mention of it on their platform and the NY Times lying that it was Russian disinformation.

Lol and only an a complete ducking idiot like yourself would think Twitter equals the media. Just how dumb are you, you dishonest piece of Shit traitor?

 

[ivwshane]

I have no knowledge if Rudy had them or not.

That’s because you are a fucking idiot who hasn’t even been following the story.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Lol and only an a complete ducking idiot like yourself would think Twitter equals the media. Just how dumb are you, you dishonest piece of Shit traitor?

It makes sense because the same people (like taj) hate social media almost as much as they love it. The "news aggregators" can dump FUD laced bullshit directly into their skulls.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I have no knowledge if Rudy had them or not.

Heaven forbid you step outside your bubble 😏

 

[HomerJS]

I have no knowledge if Rudy had them or not.

You have no knowledge of the contents of the laptop yet it isn't stopping you ever flowing rivers of bullshit.

That is part of this Benghazi like tirade. The computer shop owner claims he gave a copy to Rudy. Now if all your bullshit is true all Rudy would have had to do is release it.

See where this all falls apart??? You really need to stop

 

[fskimospy]

I have no knowledge if Rudy had them or not.

According to Giuliani himself he did. Was he lying?

 

[eelw]

And I wonder what Gaetz entered into the congressional record a few weeks ago?

 

[hal2kilo]

Probably the best part is the Saudis know he's an empty suit and will probably waste the money anyway just to cover the possibility of a 2nd Trump term.

He's already at it.

Kushner touts his ties to Saudi Arabia, Russia to sell Wall Street investors on new fund: report | Salon.com

 

[hal2kilo]

Double standards for Trumplicans?

Why the Hell Isn’t Jared Kushner’s $2 Billion Saudi Payment a Big Scandal? – Mother Jones