POLL>Was the reason for the Iraq war altruistic or economic or striclty defense

[dahunan]

Was the reason for the Iraq war altruistic or economic or striclty defense

 

[palehorse]

where is the "Economic, defensive, and altruistic" option? please add it. thanks.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Do we really need another thread about this?

 

[Vic]

All politics (and hence, wars) is economic in motive. Or, in the words of Robert Heinlein, "The answer to the question 'Why?' is always 'Money.'" We're in Iraq fighting for our favorite make-work program.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Vic
All politics (and hence, wars) is economic in motive. Or, in the words of Robert Heinlein, "The answer to the question 'Why?' is always 'Money.'" We're in Iraq fighting for our favorite make-work program.

How did WW1 start again? What exactly did Vietnam have to do with money? Kosovo was about money, how so?

I agree with you that many wars are economic in nature, one way or another, but not all wars are waged for economic purposes.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Vic
All politics (and hence, wars) is economic in motive. Or, in the words of Robert Heinlein, "The answer to the question 'Why?' is always 'Money.'" We're in Iraq fighting for our favorite make-work program.

How did WW1 start again? What exactly did Vietnam have to do with money? Kosovo was about money, how so?

I agree with you that many wars are economic in nature, one way or another, but not all wars are waged for economic purposes.

WWI started because of economic and military alliances between various European monarchs (the assassination of Ferdinand simply triggered the chain of events). Vietnam was so Hughes could sell bombs and helicopters. Kosovo was a testing ground for stealth technology.

All wars are waged for economic purposes. War itself is armed robbery on the national scale. Ideology is for the idiot masses. Countries are either stealing land and resources from each other, or a big nation is picking on a smaller one in order to stimulate its own economy.

 

[ebaycj]

Oil = Economic

 

[Ldir]

It had no connection with defense or altruism. That leaves door #2.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ebaycj
Oil = Economic

We're in Iraq for a lot more than just oil. LM and GE have lots of jets and rockets to sell. Military personnel want their bonus pay.


BTW, about your sig... LSD didn't come out of Berkeley. It was developed in Switzerland by the pharmaceutical company known today as Novartis. They thought they had found a cure for schizophrenia.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
where is the "Economic, defensive, and altruistic" option? please add it. thanks.

??? Dahunan? please add this option so that I can vote accordingly. None of your other options are accurate.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ebaycj
Oil = Economic

We're in Iraq for a lot more than just oil. LM and GE have lots of jets and rockets to sell. Military personnel want their bonus pay.


BTW, about your sig... LSD didn't come out of Berkeley. It was developed in Switzerland by the pharmaceutical company known today as Novartis. They thought they had found a cure for schizophrenia.

I know it wasn't developed at Berkeley. But that's where the good stuff came from back in the day !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Hofmann

 

[BrownTown]

tbh I think that implying there must be some rationally thought out reasoning behind the plan is giving Bush a little too much credit. I feel he likely did it based on altuistic moral beleifs , but as they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Bush may have had good intentions, but his apparent lack of understanding of how the world REALLY workes casued him to greatly miscalculate the eventual consequences of the act.

 

[Mucho]

IMHO Bush had a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein.

 

[BrownTown]

if all he wanted to do was kill Saddam he coulda done it 3 years ago and got our people out of there long ago. Bush has a misguided belief that he has some duty to spread democracy to the middle east.

 

[UberNeuman]

Follow the money trail.....

 

[Harvey]

The Bushwhacko invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with altruism or defense. There never was any defensive component to this fiasco. It's been an elective, offensive war since day one. Even worse, they sent our troops to die based on lies piled on lies piled on more lies, one after another. :|

It's been an economic boon for Bush's friends like Halliburton, etc., and this thread, Iraq to give Western companies control of oil, has links to stories that suggest oil may have been one of their motives, but I believe their main objective was the neocons' egomaniacal agenda to remake the middle east to conform to their perverted fantasies.

I hope they're all charged with treason for their treachery.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
where is the "Economic, defensive, and altruistic" option? please add it. thanks.

altruistic Also found in: Columbia, Wikipedia

al·tru·ism
n.

1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.

- by its nature - one can't benefit for themself with the intention of being altruistic...

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: palehorse74
where is the "Economic, defensive, and altruistic" option? please add it. thanks.

altruistic Also found in: Columbia, Wikipedia

al·tru·ism
n.

1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.

- by its nature - you can't have benefits for one and be altruistic...

you are assuming that there is one overarching reason for our invasion of Iraq, rather than a long list of reasons. Some of them are altruistic in nature while others are more selfish such and economic stability, control of oil supplies, etc. If you break down the reasons into a list, it is possible to label some as altruistic.

 

[UberNeuman]

Again, there is gain for one over the other - again, you can not be truly altruistic.... None of this is in the nature of what Altruism is about - in fact, the way you're dancing around this, is..... Clinton-nistic.....

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Follow the money trail.....

This will intentionally be made very difficult or nearly impossible.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
where is the "Economic, defensive, and altruistic" option? please add it. thanks.

added for you

 

[PrinceofWands]

Personal vendetta combined with egocentrism and true ignorance. Not a joke, that's how I (and so many others) see it.

 

[teclado]

I see the reasons as follows, in this order:
1) Personal vendetta
2) Altruism
3) Control oil (for defense)

Let's be honest; Bush Sr. didn't finish the job with Hussein, so Jr. felt obligated to clean up. That, IMO of course, is reason #1. The second main reason was a genuinely altruistic desire to help those whose lives were being destroyed by the dictator. Don't think W. has even an ounce of compassion for the oppressed? Well maybe that's just because the guy has been painted as a monster for a few years now. Anyway, thirdly and undeniably, black gold. Without control of oil, America's economy would be destroyed and the superpower USA would become a superwimp; so in that sense, it had to do with defense. Iraq's oil is not completely essential, however. There are many other sources of oil in the world, but establishing a USA-friendly government in Iraq is extra insurance. That is why I don't feel that oil is the main reason, but it did make the decision a lot easier.

So, if the option were available, I would vote for 'personal vendetta, altruism, control oil <-- in that order'

 

[WHAMPOM]

Oedipus complex?

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Where is the "they have no fvcking idea WHY we're there!" option? Add it please. Thanks. :roll: