POLL: Wanted to get some feedback on the new WMD not found report

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: lozina
I would like ot see if it has had any effect on people.

did it surprise ? no. sensed after kay's oct 2003 initial report no wmds would be found. enough
evidence was found to prove that saddam had violated resolution 1441 and therefore justified
the invasion.

change opinion of the war ? i trusted the intelligence. similar intelligence estimates were reached
by other nations. we had no better information at the time. as an example, germany's estimates
of saddam's nuclear capabilities were worse than ours. saddam himself confessed he wished to
re-build his wmd arsenal once attention subsided. what more need be said after saddam's own
words ?

i can grant that bush did not present the case with the needed finesse. his choice of words and
over-confidence was not tactful. but i regard saddam's own words more as the final report than
what was released today.

regardless of wmds, would i still have consented ? yes, and not only in iraq.

sudan, rwanda, and bosnia all suffered because nations who could have interfered to prevent
massacres (and worse) did not, thereby making them morally culpable in the crimes committed.
i don't believe innocent and concerned bystanders exist amongst nations.

 

[wirelessenabled]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
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CsG

So CsG, do you think those WMDs still exist? :laugh:

Also, since you are so altruistic, what other countries do you think the US shoudl invade right now to get rid of evil dictators?

The whereabouts of the WMDs are not known. They existed and have not been accounted for.


CsG

Smoke another doob dude! The WMDs didn't exist which is why they have not been accounted for. Read the reports! Don't just trot out the party line, use your brain. We spent $1 bil looking for the stuff and not only found no WMDs but no evidence of a program or system to produce them. Oh sorry, Cheney/Bush said they were there so believe them?
[/quote]

Uhh.. umm... they were there, and never accounted for by Saddam and still have not been found. Have you not been paying attention? No, we didn't find them, but that still doesn't account for their whereabouts. This has nothing to with Bush or Cheney nor is it about the "party line".

CsG[/quote]


Uhh....umm when were the "there" and who said so? Shall we invade Syria to see if they are there? How about Turkey?, Maybe Jordan? Darn they have to be somewhere Cheney/Bush said they existed!

Uhh...umm I got it! The WMDs are in Saudi Arabia let's invade, uhh...ummm nope can't do that. The Saudis are our friends. Just ask George and his Poppa.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
[
CsG

So CsG, do you think those WMDs still exist? :laugh:

Also, since you are so altruistic, what other countries do you think the US shoudl invade right now to get rid of evil dictators?

The whereabouts of the WMDs are not known. They existed and have not been accounted for.


CsG

Smoke another doob dude! The WMDs didn't exist which is why they have not been accounted for. Read the reports! Don't just trot out the party line, use your brain. We spent $1 bil looking for the stuff and not only found no WMDs but no evidence of a program or system to produce them. Oh sorry, Cheney/Bush said they were there so believe them?

Uhh.. umm... they were there, and never accounted for by Saddam and still have not been found. Have you not been paying attention? No, we didn't find them, but that still doesn't account for their whereabouts. This has nothing to with Bush or Cheney nor is it about the "party line".

CsG[/quote]


Uhh....umm when were the "there" and who said so? Shall we invade Syria to see if they are there? How about Turkey?, Maybe Jordan? Darn they have to be somewhere Cheney/Bush said they existed!

Uhh...umm I got it! The WMDs are in Saudi Arabia let's invade, uhh...ummm nope can't do that. The Saudis are our friends. Just ask George and his Poppa.[/quote]

Yes, they were there. Take a look at the cease-fire agreement Saddam signed. Just for a minute try to think about the history of this war against Saddam. Hint: it didn't just start in 2003 WMDs were at issue long before then. Saddam did not account for their whereabouts - so the question becomes - where are they.

CsG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
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CsG

So CsG, do you think those WMDs still exist? :laugh:

Also, since you are so altruistic, what other countries do you think the US shoudl invade right now to get rid of evil dictators?

The whereabouts of the WMDs are not known. They existed and have not been accounted for.


CsG

Smoke another doob dude! The WMDs didn't exist which is why they have not been accounted for. Read the reports! Don't just trot out the party line, use your brain. We spent $1 bil looking for the stuff and not only found no WMDs but no evidence of a program or system to produce them. Oh sorry, Cheney/Bush said they were there so believe them?

Uhh.. umm... they were there, and never accounted for by Saddam and still have not been found. Have you not been paying attention? No, we didn't find them, but that still doesn't account for their whereabouts. This has nothing to with Bush or Cheney nor is it about the "party line".

CsG

Uhh....umm when were the "there" and who said so? Shall we invade Syria to see if they are there? How about Turkey?, Maybe Jordan? Darn they have to be somewhere Cheney/Bush said they existed!

Uhh...umm I got it! The WMDs are in Saudi Arabia let's invade, uhh...ummm nope can't do that. The Saudis are our friends. Just ask George and his Poppa.[/quote]

Yes, they were there. Take a look at the cease-fire agreement Saddam signed. Just for a minute try to think about the history of this war against Saddam. Hint: it didn't just start in 2003 WMDs were at issue long before then. Saddam did not account for their whereabouts - so the question becomes - where are they.

CsG[/quote]


And because we had no clue what was going on we had to attack the Iraqis.

Hopefully law enforcement in this country is generally run better than this war. Otherwise people could wind up being shot on principle.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
And because we had no clue what was going on we had to attack the Iraqis.

Hopefully law enforcement in this country is generally run better than this war. Otherwise people could wind up being shot on principle.

Oh, I agree - our Intelligence agencies need much improvement so when all the other major intell agencies report things - we make sure for ourselves too. I mean that obviously wasn't the case for more than a decade of dealing with the Saddam cease-fire issues. I mean all the agencies though he had them leading up to the WAR. Now conventional logic dictates that he did because he didn't report their destruction as he promised to - but that shouldn't be assumed by intel agencies - it's their jobs to find out and verify because the rest of us are going to logically assume they are still there. I can only speak to our own agencies - they need fixed, but if I could suggest to the rest of them around the globe who though likewise - maybe then need fixed too

CsG

 

[Siwy]

The war was started based on lies or bad intelligence, yet no one seems to be responsible. What I would like to know is what do you have to do, under Bush admin., to get impeached, fired or even simply blamed for doing something erroneous?

So far I have seen a lot of Presidential Medals of Honor being given out ~ it appears that this administration negates the gravity and everything in it falls upward.