POLL: Vista RC1 or XP?

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Staples
Are you guys using your Beta 2 keys? I used it in RC1 and it worked but of course I had an email from MS telling me to do that. I guess I will get an email next week either with a new key or just telling me to use my same old key. I am at 75% now (God dammit: it stopped. Firefox has some problems) and hopefully I can just use my old key tomorrow or whenever I install it.

Keys from 5342 on up will still work

 

[SynthDude2001]

http://download.windowsvista.com/dl/pre...1945_x64fre_client-LRMCxFRE_EN_DVD.iso

RC2 x64 link if anyone other than me cares

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

Woa, has anyone checked and seen that all your physical memory is taken up by windows unless you ask for a program? WTF (i was told this is cause it doenst have direct x 10 support yet - and if you dont have ahrdware for it -your screwed)

sorry for typos.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
Woa, has anyone checked and seen that all your physical memory is taken up by windows unless you ask for a program? WTF (i was told this is cause it doenst have direct x 10 support yet - and if you dont have ahrdware for it -your screwed)

sorry for typos.

If you have 1GB or less, that is just about right. You're looking at roughly 800-850MB of your RAM sucked up on first boot.

It has nothing to do with DX10, or, rather, the lack of it.

It is just bloat, which is typical for Microsoft.

 

[j00fek]

ill switch to vista in about 5 yrs like i did with xp

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
Woa, has anyone checked and seen that all your physical memory is taken up by windows unless you ask for a program? WTF (i was told this is cause it doenst have direct x 10 support yet - and if you dont have ahrdware for it -your screwed)

sorry for typos.

If you have 1GB or less, that is just about right. You're looking at roughly 800-850MB of your RAM sucked up on first boot.

It has nothing to do with DX10, or, rather, the lack of it.

It is just bloat, which is typical for Microsoft.

So is tht RAM that is taken up (the 800mb) alloted back to other programs - or just hogged?

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

Originally posted by: j00fek
ill switch to vista in about 5 yrs like i did with xp

lol

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: Shawn
I use Trillian in vista, and have been for 5 years.

How can you have been running Vista for 5 years?

Trillian

 

[Shawn]

dp

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
Woa, has anyone checked and seen that all your physical memory is taken up by windows unless you ask for a program? WTF (i was told this is cause it doenst have direct x 10 support yet - and if you dont have ahrdware for it -your screwed)

sorry for typos.

If you have 1GB or less, that is just about right. You're looking at roughly 800-850MB of your RAM sucked up on first boot.
It has nothing to do with DX10, or, rather, the lack of it.
It is just bloat, which is typical for Microsoft.

So is tht RAM that is taken up (the 800mb) alloted back to other programs - or just hogged?

I think Vista (using RC2) *might* have a different memory management scheme. I'm running it on a Dell 700m laptop with 768MB (shared with graphics). It's currently listed in Task Manager as:

Total: 750MB
Cached: 401MB
Free: 0MB

Pagefile 595M (used) / 1769M (total)

However, as you load programs, the Free field increases. So I think free memory are cached for whatever it maybe. It's probably not hogged by Vista. Yes, things are running rather smoothly with maybe except shutdown is still slow. Sleep is pretty quick (go into and going out of) compared to XP. When you press Power, the whole laptop wakes up without delay.

 

[nweaver]

where is the poll choice for neither?

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

Originally posted by: BehindEnemyLines

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
Woa, has anyone checked and seen that all your physical memory is taken up by windows unless you ask for a program? WTF (i was told this is cause it doenst have direct x 10 support yet - and if you dont have ahrdware for it -your screwed)

sorry for typos.

If you have 1GB or less, that is just about right. You're looking at roughly 800-850MB of your RAM sucked up on first boot.
It has nothing to do with DX10, or, rather, the lack of it.
It is just bloat, which is typical for Microsoft.

So is tht RAM that is taken up (the 800mb) alloted back to other programs - or just hogged?

I think Vista (using RC2) *might* have a different memory management scheme. I'm running it on a Dell 700m laptop with 768MB (shared with graphics). It's currently listed in Task Manager as:

Total: 750MB
Cached: 401MB
Free: 0MB

Pagefile 595M (used) / 1769M (total)

However, as you load programs, the Free field increases. So I think free memory are cached for whatever it maybe. It's probably not hogged by Vista.

hrm- yea do you notice a speed decrease versus XP? even though it says I dont have any free memory everything seems to run quickly

 

[pkme2]

With all the commentaries on Vista, it has convinced me to stay with XP Pro. I've gotten comfortable with XP and being an old goat, I'm pretty much settled in with the status quo. My Win 2000 was hard to move on to XP, but since I've gotten to like it very much.

We ole dogs like character, and Win XP builds character. Well, Vista, you got the future. Wish you luck.

 

[corkyg]

At this point in time, why dedicate hours of setup and work to a dead horse? Vista RCanything will soon turn into a pumpkin when the final is released, and you'll have to reinstall. With XP, you are good to go until the dust settles on Vista - perhaps when it gets SP1.

When Vista final is released, there will probably be an upgrade path obviating the need to do a complete reinstall.

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

Originally posted by: corkyg
At this point in time, why dedicate hours of setup and work to a dead horse? Vista RCanything will soon turn into a pumpkin when the final is released, and you'll have to reinstall. With XP, you are good to go until the dust settles on Vista - perhaps when it gets SP1.

When Vista final is released, there will probably be an upgrade path obviating the need to do a complete reinstall.

Yea but its a really nasty thing to not do a clean format/reinstall of ANY windows product - then you leve all the junky ou acculumlated to sit on folders never to be used again.

 

[corkyg]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate Yea but its a really nasty thing to not do a clean format/reinstall of ANY windows product - then you leve all the junky ou acculumlated to sit on folders never to be used again.

That is not necessarily true if you know how to properly do a Registry scrub after uninstalls. When you have over 50 programs installed, and a lot of customization, then it is imperative to maintain things so that doesn't happen. Reinstalls can take up to two days!

However - if you just want to play with a new OS or betaware, then use a mule drive and leave your work drive alone so you don't get it screwed up.

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

Originally posted by: corkyg

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate Yea but its a really nasty thing to not do a clean format/reinstall of ANY windows product - then you leve all the junky ou acculumlated to sit on folders never to be used again.

That is not necessarily true if you know how to properly do a Registry scrub after uninstalls. When you have over 50 programs installed, and a lot of customization, then it is imperative to maintain things so that doesn't happen. Reinstalls can take up to two days!

However - if you just want to play with a new OS or betaware, then use a mule drive and leave your work drive alone so you don't get it screwed up.

true - am I the only one that seems to be suffering between XP withdrawl and a desire not to leave Vista? bah!

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: supafly
XP, only because Logitech has ****** for developers and can't even release a beta Vista drive after months of work, let alone a XP x64 driver after years.

Edit: for their webcams.

After hacking away at it, I actually got my Logitech STX webcam working in Vista! :shocked:

But, the mic doesn't pick up well, and the video lags horribly.

Edit: I take that back. While it works locally, it won't work in Skype.

 

[pcgeek11]

If you have 1GB or less, that is just about right. You're looking at roughly 800-850MB of your RAM sucked up on first boot.

This has to be something else you guys are seeing, I have used X86 and X64 on both of my systems desktop with 1 gig RAM, and my laptop with 768 meg RAM and they both hover at about 46% Ram usage. Unless I am running other programs, then it goes upm accordingly.

pcgeek11

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

Originally posted by: pcgeek11

If you have 1GB or less, that is just about right. You're looking at roughly 800-850MB of your RAM sucked up on first boot.

This has to be something else you guys are seeing, I have used X86 and X64 on both of my systems desktop with 1 gig RAM, and my laptop with 768 meg RAM and they both hover at about 46% Ram usage. Unless I am running other programs, then it goes upm accordingly.

pcgeek11

When you look at physical memory it doesnt say that you only have between 1-20 MB of free memory and the rest is chached? I was talking to some CS Grad Students and they were saying its because of sloppy coding (atleast in RC1) - and that the lack of direct x 10 confuses the system so it hogs up your virtual memory.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
When you look at physical memory it doesnt say that you only have between 1-20 MB of free memory and the rest is chached? I was talking to some CS Grad Students and they were saying its because of sloppy coding (atleast in RC1) - and that the lack of direct x 10 confuses the system so it hogs up your virtual memory.

That is a sad assessment from supposed CS Grads

It has nothing to do with DX10.

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
When you look at physical memory it doesnt say that you only have between 1-20 MB of free memory and the rest is chached? I was talking to some CS Grad Students and they were saying its because of sloppy coding (atleast in RC1) - and that the lack of direct x 10 confuses the system so it hogs up your virtual memory.

That is a sad assessment from supposed CS Grads

It has nothing to do with DX10.

So I still havent heard a verdict - and the only people I'm gonna trust on this are ATOT people.

Is RC2 teh suck cause of memory, et al.?

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: j00fek
ill switch to vista in about 5 yrs like i did with xp

Hey, I'm still using Win2000. My new laptop will come with XP Pro (if I decide to keep it), and be upgradable (S&H) to Vista Business. I wonder if I should just return it and buy a laptop after Vista is released. That way I may get Vista Ultimate. Currently, it looks like there's no upgrade path to Vista Ultimate.