I heard a lot of controversy about what is a better GAMEING OS, Windows 98SE, or just plain Windows 98. What do you guys think?
Poll: The Gamers OS
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Win98SE. The plain Win98 is riddled with bugs to the point of making the OS a nightmare to use for any extended period of time. Game stability is compromised, too. Win98SE is still crap, but if rebooted can run games the best. I've used all of them--95/A/B/C, 98FE/SE, NT/2000. After using 2000, I've finally concluded that the "dream" OS for both games and business is a fantasy.
I haven't used ME, but I've heard bad things about its performance. So I'd go with 98SE. (Besides, I refuse to utilise an OS with built-in SDMI support like ME, see link below).
I haven't used ME, but I've heard bad things about its performance. So I'd go with 98SE. (Besides, I refuse to utilise an OS with built-in SDMI support like ME, see link below).
I was using Win95, but have moved to Win2k. It seems just as good if not better (even a little faster, but that's probubly to do with it being able to use more RAM).
Unless you're into old DOS games, Win2K IMO.
I dont know about you Leo, but I havent found a single game that I havent been able to run in Win2K aside from Motorhead, which wouldnt run since it specifically looked for NT, and if found, rejected it before install, if it wouldnt have actually installed, Im sure it would have ran fine.
The 9x are good for nothing, they're a whole series of bad jokes, and selling them should be considdered a criminal offense.
I dont know about you Leo, but I havent found a single game that I havent been able to run in Win2K aside from Motorhead, which wouldnt run since it specifically looked for NT, and if found, rejected it before install, if it wouldnt have actually installed, Im sure it would have ran fine.
The 9x are good for nothing, they're a whole series of bad jokes, and selling them should be considdered a criminal offense.
Win2k. Those games ain't working in 2k can the producers shove up their asses. I like 2k to much to use win9x no matter what 
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Sunner and AngelOfDeath, I completely agree that Win2000 is vastly superior to any DOS-based Windows (95/98/ME). HOWEVER, I've found through bitter experience that Win2000 is far from a smooth gaming OS (though it can run most games unlike NT). Here are some reasons:
* Installation. Most games refuse to install under Win2000. This is often fixed by skipping installation altogether--just copy the game folder (from another installation) and registry key. Even then, there are glitches resulting from that, like inability to remember certain game settings.
* Strange DirectX, particularly D3D performance. I've used all the NVIDIA Detonator drivers under Win2000, hoping that performance would catch up with Win98. No such luck. Performance crept up, but certain DirectX features remain WAY slower (50+%) than under Win98, for reasons unknown to me. Despite functioning AGP, its performance also seems hindered.
* Chronic game incompatibility. I haven't tested that many games, but practically ALL of those I play had problems. To wit:
-Civilization2 crashed whenever I tried to play the game with the CD (ie multimedia enabled). Fault: crappy M$ Win95 video codec used by Civ2--MICROSOFT'S OWN SOFTWARE! Even without CD, is disposed to crash.
-Grand Theft Auto 2 crashes outright.
-Grand Theft Auto runs, but at the wrong framerate.
-Need for Speed 3 (after hacking to run at all) shows somewhat dissappointing performance
-Even Quake3 must be re-configured every time to run above 60Hz.
-A multitude of game demoes I tried crashed or couldn't properly install.
-Most importantly, there is NO hope of these problems getting fixed--the busy developers aren't going to appease a handful of W2000 "heretics"; their games explicitly required Win9X.
These and more, ranging from complete malfunction to minor, yet very irritating problems or slowdowns, made Win2000 an unpleasant gaming platform for me.
* No DOS support. I thought this would be no problem, until I realized: most of the best PC games out there are DOS games. IMHO, not enough good new games have been made to outshine the wealth of good DOS games.
I really anticipated Win2000 to eliminate the need for W9X, and after MUCH trouble and troubleshooting I stand corrected on that. The bottom line is: ALL old games require DOS, and practically ALL new games are tested/debugged/optimized for Windows9X. If Microsoft used civilized cross-platform standards, then perhaps we wouldn't have such problems. Obviously this isn't the case.
* Installation. Most games refuse to install under Win2000. This is often fixed by skipping installation altogether--just copy the game folder (from another installation) and registry key. Even then, there are glitches resulting from that, like inability to remember certain game settings.
* Strange DirectX, particularly D3D performance. I've used all the NVIDIA Detonator drivers under Win2000, hoping that performance would catch up with Win98. No such luck. Performance crept up, but certain DirectX features remain WAY slower (50+%) than under Win98, for reasons unknown to me. Despite functioning AGP, its performance also seems hindered.
* Chronic game incompatibility. I haven't tested that many games, but practically ALL of those I play had problems. To wit:
-Civilization2 crashed whenever I tried to play the game with the CD (ie multimedia enabled). Fault: crappy M$ Win95 video codec used by Civ2--MICROSOFT'S OWN SOFTWARE! Even without CD, is disposed to crash.
-Grand Theft Auto 2 crashes outright.
-Grand Theft Auto runs, but at the wrong framerate.
-Need for Speed 3 (after hacking to run at all) shows somewhat dissappointing performance
-Even Quake3 must be re-configured every time to run above 60Hz.
-A multitude of game demoes I tried crashed or couldn't properly install.
-Most importantly, there is NO hope of these problems getting fixed--the busy developers aren't going to appease a handful of W2000 "heretics"; their games explicitly required Win9X.
These and more, ranging from complete malfunction to minor, yet very irritating problems or slowdowns, made Win2000 an unpleasant gaming platform for me.
* No DOS support. I thought this would be no problem, until I realized: most of the best PC games out there are DOS games. IMHO, not enough good new games have been made to outshine the wealth of good DOS games.
I really anticipated Win2000 to eliminate the need for W9X, and after MUCH trouble and troubleshooting I stand corrected on that. The bottom line is: ALL old games require DOS, and practically ALL new games are tested/debugged/optimized for Windows9X. If Microsoft used civilized cross-platform standards, then perhaps we wouldn't have such problems. Obviously this isn't the case.
I've had no problems playing games in W2K. So far I've played, Diablo II, Everquest, Baldur's Gate 2, and the Tony Hawk pro skater demo with no problems what so ever in Windows 2000.
mechwarrior2 won't run on w2k (mw3 just sux not matter what os)
q3 has always worked just fine for me (60 eh? i'll have to fix that... \??_refresh 85)
who had the article benchmarking video preformance, w2k vs w98se>? (anand maybe)
w98 blew it away in fps
q3 has always worked just fine for me (60 eh? i'll have to fix that... \??_refresh 85)
who had the article benchmarking video preformance, w2k vs w98se>? (anand maybe)
w98 blew it away in fps
I've used 98, 98SE and ME
I like the preformance of 98SE better than the rest, the regular version of 98 has a lot of bugs and I don't care much for ME, it runs games a little slower on my PC
I like the preformance of 98SE better than the rest, the regular version of 98 has a lot of bugs and I don't care much for ME, it runs games a little slower on my PC
LeoV: Concerning your "Installation" problems, I've got a work around. If the game simply reports "This program cannot run in win2k/nt", then do the following. Grab your Win2k CD, go to the support folder. Run the apcompat.exe thingy (or something like that). Select the OS you want to "emulate", check any other options, then simply type in the path of your setup proggie on the text field on top and you're ready to go.
Got Freestyle BMX to run using this trick.
Got Freestyle BMX to run using this trick.
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