Right. The 14-year-old White Californian Girl is able to continue on with her life, yet many people of Al-Qaeda, and people suspected of involvement with Al-Queda are being tortored in secret prisons and held without trial in Gitmo.Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Right. The Al-Qaeda hasn't killed Bush yet but a 14-year-old White Californian Girl might be a threat.
This is plain stupid.
You can shoot anyone you want and claim self defense. But good luck convincing a judge & jury, because you're going to jail for a looooong time.Originally posted by: her209
So the next logical questoin is "Who determines what constitutes a threat?" I mean, if I make a funny joke about a guy's wife and he says "I'm going to kick your ass." would that be illegal? If I feel that he isn't kidding, and report the guy to the police, what happens to the guy? Can I shoot the guy and claim self-defense because I felt threatened?Originally posted by: Amused
A threat is as real as the person it is made against believes it to be. Threats are illegal not because of real intent, but because of intent the victim infers.Originally posted by: her209
But is it illegal to claim it even if you don't have any intention to actually perform the sacrifice?Originally posted by: Amused
You cannot use a right to break a law. (Say you claim your religion requires you to sacrifice virgins... your freedom of religion is restrained by the law because it infringes on the rights of others)
In other words, threats cause people to live in fear, thus violating their rights. Intent has very little to do with it.
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Right. The 14-year-old White Californian Girl is able to continue on with her life, yet many people of Al-Qaeda, and people suspected of involvement with Al-Queda are being tortored in secret prisons and held without trial in Gitmo.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: waggy
yes the SS had the right ot talk to her. she did something that was a threat to Bush. BUT her parents and a lawyer should have been present when questioned.
There is no law that her parents have to be present and she did not ask for a lawyer.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Right. The 14-year-old White Californian Girl is able to continue on with her life, yet many people of Al-Qaeda, and people suspected of involvement with Al-Queda are being tortored in secret prisons and held without trial in Gitmo.
Take your politics to the appropriate forum.
Take your useless comments to the appropriate forum. Oh wait, I forgot this already is off-topic.Originally posted by: Pabster
Take your politics to the appropriate forum.Originally posted by: cubby1223
Right. The 14-year-old White Californian Girl is able to continue on with her life, yet many people of Al-Qaeda, and people suspected of involvement with Al-Queda are being tortored in secret prisons and held without trial in Gitmo.Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Right. The Al-Qaeda hasn't killed Bush yet but a 14-year-old White Californian Girl might be a threat.
This is plain stupid.
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Take your useless comments to the appropriate forum. Oh wait, I forgot this already is off-topic.Originally posted by: Pabster
Take your politics to the appropriate forum.Originally posted by: cubby1223
Right. The 14-year-old White Californian Girl is able to continue on with her life, yet many people of Al-Qaeda, and people suspected of involvement with Al-Queda are being tortored in secret prisons and held without trial in Gitmo.Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Right. The Al-Qaeda hasn't killed Bush yet but a 14-year-old White Californian Girl might be a threat.
This is plain stupid.
So you don't think that comment was an appropriate response, as the original commenter says that the government considers a high-school teenager more of a threat that than Al-Qaeda, which just simply is not true, and the proof is right there. That's all. Don't look into it any further. I'm not debating anything political, and will not comment on it any further.
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Take your useless comments to the appropriate forum. Oh wait, I forgot this already is off-topic.Originally posted by: Pabster
Take your politics to the appropriate forum.Originally posted by: cubby1223
Right. The 14-year-old White Californian Girl is able to continue on with her life, yet many people of Al-Qaeda, and people suspected of involvement with Al-Queda are being tortored in secret prisons and held without trial in Gitmo.Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Right. The Al-Qaeda hasn't killed Bush yet but a 14-year-old White Californian Girl might be a threat.
This is plain stupid.
So you don't think that comment was an appropriate response, as the original commenter says that the government considers a high-school teenager more of a threat that than Al-Qaeda, which just simply is not true, and the proof is right there. That's all. Don't look into it any further. I'm not debating anything political, and will not comment on it any further.
Originally posted by: Captante
(1) Yes.. The secret service was doing its job by investigating ALL threats to the president, however seemingly minor.
(2) Yes.. Her parents should absolutely have been present at the interview because she is a minor & it was poor judgment on the agents part to do so because if any credible threat had been exposed, evidence found in the interview would have been worthless in court.
Originally posted by: smack Down
Right the vast myspace consipiricy. So lets assume you are right they traced the IP to the house. Ok so now they have confirmation that it was posted by a 14 year old girl and doing more investigation is even more pointless.
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: waggy
she made a THREAT. they have a duty to question her for it. Hell they could have even arrested her for it (granted not sure if it would go anywhere in courts).
It was a 14 year old girl! She was no threat. Kids say stuff like that all the time.
You know the CIA is overfunded when they start questioning middle school kids.
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: waggy
and the point is how do you know its a unimportant threat until you check it out?
What are you, a robot? Common sense!
It was on a effing myspace page!!
how does questioning hurt anyone?Originally posted by: Ayah
Questioning a little girl..
Originally posted by: Ayah
Questioning a little girl..
"They yelled at me a lot," she said. "They were unnecessarily mean."
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: Babbles
Assumptions can get people killed.
Yeah but EVERYONE does it, even you and me.
We all make small assumptions that risk our lives, so unless you walk around dressed like a crash dummy, sterilize all your food, never drink, never smoke, and never drive faster than 15mph don't tell me not to assume.
Originally posted by: supafly
Originally posted by: smack Down
Right the vast myspace consipiricy. So lets assume you are right they traced the IP to the house. Ok so now they have confirmation that it was posted by a 14 year old girl and doing more investigation is even more pointless.
Man, you really are an idiot. Do you think before you post at all?
Info can be forged. IP addresses can be faked. So what if they traced the IP address to someone's house? You think they should stop there?
SS: "Ok, this IP address is traced to that house. Since it is from that house, it must be a 14 year old girl."
Right :roll:
They still had to question her. There's that 0.00001% chance that it wasn't really her who posted it. If she wasn't the one who posted it, they'd need to find out who did. They can't find that out without questioning her.
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Captante
(1) Yes.. The secret service was doing its job by investigating ALL threats to the president, however seemingly minor.
(2) Yes.. Her parents should absolutely have been present at the interview because she is a minor & it was poor judgment on the agents part to do so because if any credible threat had been exposed, evidence found in the interview would have been worthless in court.
Uh, no. There is no right for a minor to have their parent present for questioning. The kid can ask, but police do not have to grant it. Likewise parents do not have a legal right to be involved in the questioning of their child.
Any information obtained is 100% valid in a court of law(in most states), and would be more than credible.