[POLL] Teen Questioned Over Violent Threats Against the President on MySpace

[Amused]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Babbles
Those people are getting paid with your tax dollars regardless if they are playing solitaire or, you know, actually doing what they are supposed to be doing.

If they would do more "assuming" and less actual verifying, they would need to hire less agents, and therefore it would cost less tax dollars.

And again, the first time they "assume" incorrectly people just like you will be crowing about how incompetent they are.

You're making a classic blunder called "Monday morning quarterbacking" and you can't even see it.

 

[her209]

Can I threaten to kill someone if that someone does not live in the U.S.?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Babbles
Those people are getting paid with your tax dollars regardless if they are playing solitaire or, you know, actually doing what they are supposed to be doing.

If they would do more "assuming" and less actual verifying, they would need to hire less agents, and therefore it would cost less tax dollars.

Assumptions can get people killed.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: acemcmac

I can admit when part or all of my position is wrong? I think it addresses a different part of my position than the one that's coming to a head in this thread, but I think they make some very good points and I am changing some of my opinions based on what I read there.

What they are saying is exactly what I said to begin with. A right can no longer be a right when it infringes on the rights of another. I gave you examples of speech that did just that, and you rolled your eyes at me.

You needed someone to dress that up in liberal "we hate bush too, but..." rhetoric to understand?

Get the fvck over yourself (pretentious much?). The only part that resonates with me is the following. I completley disagree with the first and second points they list. The following point is the ONLY thing that I particularly agreed wtih.

Furthermore, there would probably be no better way to promote Bush's agenda than to kill him. After a Bush assassination, Americans would rally to the Republicans in a sympathetic reflex. Americans would also feel much more willing to tolerate more violations of our constitutional freedoms, out of the fear of future attacks against our government. In politics, blatant attempts to destroy opponents usually fail. A much more intelligent approach to politics is to let one's opponents destroy themselves.

To Billy and to all other Americans who are so angry with Bush that they consider violence against him: We agree that Bush is a dangerous man, but he's most dangerous when you take him seriously. Mock him. Laugh at him. Realize how absurd he is, and then, on Election Day, get serious and vote.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Amused
Yeah, because school kids never hurt people, right?

You think a 14 year old could harm the most protected man on Earth?

You gotta use common sense.

Why should we use common sense? Obviously the Secret Service didn't use any. Either that, or this is part of Bush's "No Child Left Behind" plan for education. Yayyyy, that child learned something.

 

[Hacp]

I guess if a president calls another country an "axis of evil" and repeatedly calls for a regeime change, the government that was threatened has a fundamental right to take that threat seriously and hold a preemptive strike in "self defense".

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: Hacp
I guess if a president calls another country an "axis of evil" and repeatedly calls for a regeime change, the government that was threatened has a fundamental right to take that threat seriously and hold a preemptive strike in "self defense".

bahahahaa

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Babbles
Assumptions can get people killed.

Yeah but EVERYONE does it, even you and me.

We all make small assumptions that risk our lives, so unless you walk around dressed like a crash dummy, sterilize all your food, never drink, never smoke, and never drive faster than 15mph don't tell me not to assume.

 

[her209]

Don't assume all terrorists are Middle-Eastern.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Amused
Yeah, because school kids never hurt people, right?

You think a 14 year old could harm the most protected man on Earth?

You gotta use common sense.

Why should we use common sense? Obviously the Secret Service didn't use any. Either that, or this is part of Bush's "No Child Left Behind" plan for education. Yayyyy, that child learned something.

So you think that the Secret Service should have seen a Myspace page claimed to be created by a 14yo and just left it at that without verification?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Says who??

Says The Secret Service.

 

[TehMac]

What a moron. Obviously she's not a peace loving person if she wants to kill Bush. Its dumbasses like these and her bloody stupid parents are why the democratic party is going down the crapper. The majoirty is made up of pre pubescent hypocritical morons, and the rest are america hating, Islam loving scum. Only a few % are patroptic american loving people.
Wow.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: her209
Don't assume all terrorists are Middle-Eastern.

Yeah some are 14 year old girls with myspace pages. :roll:

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: waggy
she made a THREAT. they have a duty to question her for it. Hell they could have even arrested her for it (granted not sure if it would go anywhere in courts).

It was a 14 year old girl! She was no threat. Kids say stuff like that all the time.

You know the CIA is overfunded when they start questioning middle school kids.

Yeah, because school kids never hurt people, right?

Right?

Oh, wait...

They do not know what she is all about until they check her out.

Again, the first threat they do not check out that results in someone getting hurt or killed will have people like you screaming about how incompetent they are.

Incompetency is incompetent if they run around scaring 14 year olds or not. We can all come up with stupid what if. For example what if they ignore a real threat because they are to busy running around with their heads cut off.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Babbles
Assumptions can get people killed.

Yeah but EVERYONE does it, even you and me.

We all make small assumptions that risk our lives, so unless you walk around dressed like a crash dummy, sterilize all your food, never drink, never smoke, and never drive faster than 15mph don't tell me not to assume.

So just because everyone does it makes it okay? That's some real logic there..

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Incompetency is incompetent if they run around scaring 14 year olds or not. We can all come up with stupid what if. For example what if they ignore a real threat because they are to busy running around with their heads cut off.

:thumbsup: Someone with a brain.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: TehMac
What a moron. Obviously she's not a peace loving person if she wants to kill Bush. Its dumbasses like these and her bloody stupid parents are why the democratic party is going down the crapper. The majoirty is made up of pre pubescent hypocritical morons, and the rest are america hating, Islam loving scum. Only a few % are patroptic american loving people.
Wow.

I'm patriotic but I'm also a muslim.
Take your ideologies somewhere else dumas.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: waggy
she made a THREAT. they have a duty to question her for it. Hell they could have even arrested her for it (granted not sure if it would go anywhere in courts).

It was a 14 year old girl! She was no threat. Kids say stuff like that all the time.

You know the CIA is overfunded when they start questioning middle school kids.

Yeah, because school kids never hurt people, right?

Right?

Oh, wait...

They do not know what she is all about until they check her out.

Again, the first threat they do not check out that results in someone getting hurt or killed will have people like you screaming about how incompetent they are.

Incompetency is incompetent if they run around scaring 14 year olds or not. We can all come up with stupid what if. For example what if they ignore a real threat because they are to busy running around with their heads cut off.

And how many real threats have been ignored, oh wise one?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: acemcmac
"KILL BUSH"

I for one, welcome a visit from my secret service overlords

hope that your wish is granted.

And I hope in twenty or thirty years time, the thought police sterilize you for completley missing out on the meaning of the Bill of Rights

Words can't hurt people. That's why they're protected.

You realize that privacy and sedition are not in the Bill of Rights, verdad?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Babbles
Assumptions can get people killed.

Yeah but EVERYONE does it, even you and me.

We all make small assumptions that risk our lives, so unless you walk around dressed like a crash dummy, sterilize all your food, never drink, never smoke, and never drive faster than 15mph don't tell me not to assume.

Holy cow dude, your closed-minded world of black and white must be real fun to live in. Again, genius, it is their job to investigate threats and as such as part of their job they should not make simple assumptions about the life of the person who they are supposed to protect.

As others mentioned, how did they actually know it was some 14 year old girl before they investigated it? Should they just as well assume all threats are benign rantings from some sheltered twit? What the hell prevents Osama Bin Laden himself from making a Myspace page and saying he is some 14 year old girl?
Because in the history of the internet nobody has ever lied about who they are, right?

Again in regards to protecting the life of the President (or whomever they are tasked with), it is their job not to make assumptions about life and death matters.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: TehMac
You realize that privacy and sedition are not in the Bill of Rights, verdad?

Nowhere in the Constitution does it state you have a "right to a fair trial" either.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: acemcmac

I can admit when part or all of my position is wrong? I think it addresses a different part of my position than the one that's coming to a head in this thread, but I think they make some very good points and I am changing some of my opinions based on what I read there.

What they are saying is exactly what I said to begin with. A right can no longer be a right when it infringes on the rights of another. I gave you examples of speech that did just that, and you rolled your eyes at me.

You needed someone to dress that up in liberal "we hate bush too, but..." rhetoric to understand?

Get the fvck over yourself (pretentious much?). The only part that resonates with me is the following. I completley disagree with the first and second points they list. The following point is the ONLY thing that I particularly agreed wtih.

Furthermore, there would probably be no better way to promote Bush's agenda than to kill him. After a Bush assassination, Americans would rally to the Republicans in a sympathetic reflex. Americans would also feel much more willing to tolerate more violations of our constitutional freedoms, out of the fear of future attacks against our government. In politics, blatant attempts to destroy opponents usually fail. A much more intelligent approach to politics is to let one's opponents destroy themselves.

To Billy and to all other Americans who are so angry with Bush that they consider violence against him: We agree that Bush is a dangerous man, but he's most dangerous when you take him seriously. Mock him. Laugh at him. Realize how absurd he is, and then, on Election Day, get serious and vote.

So you STILL think a right is absolute, even when it infringes on the rights of another?

Do you think libal and slander should be protected speech?

Can I walk up to you and your family and tell them I'm going to kill them, thereby causing them to live in very real fear for their lives and you're OK with that?

Your refusal to use common sense here is baffling, to say the least. Rights, ethics and behavior are not, and cannot be situational. Threatening others is wrong because it infringes on their rights. It's not wrong because caricatures of your supposed political enemies are doing it too.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Incompetency is incompetent if they run around scaring 14 year olds or not. We can all come up with stupid what if. For example what if they ignore a real threat because they are to busy running around with their heads cut off.

The secret service is incompetent? I think it's been a while since someone under their protection was assassinated.

They don't ignore the real threats because they investigate all threats.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: CadetLee
And how many real threats have been ignored, oh wise one?

Ahem, North Korea and Iran, while we were dinking around in Iraq.

Figuratively speaking: Picture Iraq as the 14 year old girl.

Iran and North Korea are 35 year old men hiding something that ticks under a trenchcoat.

Hmmm, which should we pay more attention to?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: smack Down
Incompetency is incompetent if they run around scaring 14 year olds or not. We can all come up with stupid what if. For example what if they ignore a real threat because they are to busy running around with their heads cut off.

:thumbsup: Someone with a brain.

No, just another mindless monday morning quarterback like yourself. Who sees the end results and thinks they should have known what she was all about BEFORE checking her out.