[POLL] Southwest boots woman for refusing to change or remove offensive shirt

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: smack Down
Yeah they have every to refuse to sell the person a ticket. They sold the ticket and didn't deliver the goods. That is "there right" and it is now there duty to pay for the damages.

They probably sold the ticket online, over the phone, or through an agent. Few people buy tickets the day they fly.

Your point is moot.

How does that make a difference? If they want to have a dress code they should approve or disapprove it before they sell tickets.

http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/coc.pdf

Page 10.

Look, your point is absurd. The ticket was sold in advance. The ticket contract says they reserve the right to refuse passage for "Persons whose conduct is or has been known to be disorderly, abusive, offensive, threatening, intimidating, or violent, or whose clothing is lewd, obscene, or patently offensive"

Well that is for the judge and jury to decided if their clothing meets that requiriments.

Actually its at the airline's disgression, since its their fvcking airline.

Until they get sued. Which they did now it is up to the jury.

 

[KingofCamelot]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: smack Down
Yeah they have every to refuse to sell the person a ticket. They sold the ticket and didn't deliver the goods. That is "there right" and it is now there duty to pay for the damages.

They probably sold the ticket online, over the phone, or through an agent. Few people buy tickets the day they fly.

Your point is moot.

How does that make a difference? If they want to have a dress code they should approve or disapprove it before they sell tickets.

http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/coc.pdf

Page 10.

Look, your point is absurd. The ticket was sold in advance. The ticket contract says they reserve the right to refuse passage for "Persons whose conduct is or has been known to be disorderly, abusive, offensive, threatening, intimidating, or violent, or whose clothing is lewd, obscene, or patently offensive"

Well that is for the judge and jury to decided if their clothing meets that requiriments.

Actually its at the airline's disgression, since its their fvcking airline.

Until they get sued. Which they did now it is up to the jury.

If it gets as far as the jury. This is an open and shut case (excluding the money). The airline gets to decide what falls into that category, and the law doesn't not have the right to fine tune a company policy. For example lets say I own a shop, and my shop has a policy that states no weapons, even permited ones (including PIs), and this policy is in broad day light. Now, lets say someone brings a pocket knife into my store, and I ask them to leave. They decide to sue me. Why does the jury have any right to dictate my own policy to me? The policy existed, and its up to my disgression. Simple as that.

 

[vtqanh]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: smack Down
Yeah they have every to refuse to sell the person a ticket. They sold the ticket and didn't deliver the goods. That is "there right" and it is now there duty to pay for the damages.

They probably sold the ticket online, over the phone, or through an agent. Few people buy tickets the day they fly.

Your point is moot.

How does that make a difference? If they want to have a dress code they should approve or disapprove it before they sell tickets.

http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/coc.pdf

Page 10.

Look, your point is absurd. The ticket was sold in advance. The ticket contract says they reserve the right to refuse passage for "Persons whose conduct is or has been known to be disorderly, abusive, offensive, threatening, intimidating, or violent, or whose clothing is lewd, obscene, or patently offensive"

Well that is for the judge and jury to decided if their clothing meets that requiriments.

Actually its at the airline's disgression, since its their fvcking airline.

Until they get sued. Which they did now it is up to the jury.

No, It's not up to a judge to decide whether this case stands trial or not. The lawyers from Southwest will try to throw the case out and they will probably succeed

 

[IAteYourMother]

I was gonna say, wrong forum, P+N, but then I realized you wanted a real discussion

 

[FoBoT]

they should have just put a boot up her ass instead of booting her off the flight

 

[Pabster]

This one is pathetically simple.

Southwest had every right to deny service to this woman.

When you walk in to a fast food place without a t-shirt and they tell you to put one on or force you to leave, can you sue them? Of course not. Private Property allows for such rule and regulation.

All claims presented are frivolous.

 

[BigRigDriver]

No shoes, No shirt, No service
PS: Anything else we dont like=No Service
Posted on the door of SW front door on 10-05-2005

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Pabster
This one is pathetically simple.

Southwest had every right to deny service to this woman.

When you walk in to a fast food place without a t-shirt and they tell you to put one on or force you to leave, can you sue them? Of course not. Private Property allows for such rule and regulation.

All claims presented are frivolous.

Agreed. You make a contract with SWA to abide by their rules, and if you don't you can't fly. Very simple. There is no agreement if you violate the CONTRACT, therefore they don't have to do jack sh!t for you.

 

[dquan97]

agreed wth the majority

 

[themroc27]

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Its their airline, they can do what ever the fvck they want.

no they can't. the airline is not able to refuse entry or service to (for example) a specific ethnic category, they can't ban all Arabs from flying on their service. Nor can they ban all Muslims, all females, etc. Hopefully the court will find in this brave woman's favor, and she will win a substantial (multimillion dollar) payout to compensate for the hardship and discomfort she has been forced to endure.

 

[qaa541]

They have the right to refuse service to anyone

 

[themroc27]

Originally posted by: qaa541
They have the right to refuse service to anyone

not correct. it is illegal for an airline to refuse service to an african american, solely because that person is african american. businesses are not above the law - they must abide by community standards (as set out in law). check your consitution.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: themroc27

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Its their airline, they can do what ever the fvck they want.

no they can't. the airline is not able to refuse entry or service to (for example) a specific ethnic category, they can't ban all Arabs from flying on their service. Nor can they ban all Muslims, all females, etc. Hopefully the court will find in this brave woman's favor, and she will win a substantial (multimillion dollar) payout to compensate for the hardship and discomfort she has been forced to endure.

I'm praying my sarcasm meter is broken, and have sent it in for an RMA.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

So am I not allowed to wear my FVCK STANFURD shirt? =(

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: Eli
Couldn't they have just asked her to turn it inside out?

I mean seriously... Making her stop her transit in the middle of bumfsck nowhere(at least, compared to her destination)?

Edit: Uh, well ok I read the article now.. 😱

They chose to leave instead of turning it inside out... hmm.

Not sure where I stand on this one.

If they accepted her to board the plane, they should have taken her to destination. If the clothing was offensive, they should have reimburse her ticket and refuse her on board.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: themroc27

Originally posted by: qaa541
They have the right to refuse service to anyone

not correct. it is illegal for an airline to refuse service to an african american, solely because that person is african american. businesses are not above the law - they must abide by community standards (as set out in law). check your consitution.

Just is case you aren't being sarcastic:

The ONLY protections are race, national origin, sex, religion and age.

A company may deny service for ANY REASON onther than those protected ones. And companies deny service to people they find objectionable every day.

Finally, check your federal law:

Southwest Airlines spokeswoman Marilee McInnis told the Gazette-Journal that the airline's contract with the Federal Aviation Administration contains rules that say the airline will deny boarding to any customer whose conduct is offensive, abusive, disorderly or violent or for clothing that is "lewd, obscene, or patently offensive."

No where in the Constitution are businesses not allowed to deny service to people they find objectionable. I suggest you check your Constitution, because mine says nothing about abdicating the rights of businesses.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Calin

Originally posted by: Eli
Couldn't they have just asked her to turn it inside out?

I mean seriously... Making her stop her transit in the middle of bumfsck nowhere(at least, compared to her destination)?

Edit: Uh, well ok I read the article now.. 😱

They chose to leave instead of turning it inside out... hmm.

Not sure where I stand on this one.

If they accepted her to board the plane, they should have taken her to destination. If the clothing was offensive, they should have reimburse her ticket and refuse her on board.

She had a sweatshirt with her. Chances are she was wearing it until she boarded the plane. Airports are cold, airplanes are hot. Women are easily chilled.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Was Southwest within their rights to ask her to change the shirt or leave??

No.

The captain has final authority as to what goes on in his airplane and He is ultimately responsible for anything that goes on. If the captain feels that an offensive shirt may cause a disturbance during the flight, the captain has every right to make the person change their shirt or get of his airplane. The Federal Aviation Administration will back the captain up 100% of the time.

 

[Aharami]

although i dont think that T shirt is offensive (truth hurts), i do agree that southwest wasnt out of line to ask them to leave. its their plane...

 

[Kelemvor]

Freedom of Speach doesn't include profanity. Wearing that shirt could have lead to arguments in the air, a fight, etc. All of which could have been very bad for the flight. THeir number one priority is to insure the safety of the plane and the peopele on it. They can't do that when some jackasses are on there just to start trouble.

Good Job Southwest. Some people just need to get a clue, especially these days, with what you can and can't do on a plane.

 

[Al Neri]

Go to a theater during a performance, scream fire.

Where's your freedom of speech now.

You'll probably have the ACLU knocking down your door trying to get you a settlement too.

Give me a break libbies.