Poll: Short poll for Democrats, Republicans or none of the above!

[GL]

Lionel Tate was sentenced this past week to life in jail for the murder of 6 year old Tiffany Eunick. Tate was 12 at the time of the murder and is now 14 years of age. Tate will spend the first part of his sentence in a maximum security juvenile institution where group counselors meet with the boy inmates each day and schooling and exercise are part of the daily regimen. Additionally, a pyschologist and psychiatrist will also meet with Tate. Tate will be moved to an adult prison at the age of 18 to serve out the remainder of his sentence.

Please answer the question in the poll based on the information given above.

EDIT: Please only answer the actual poll if you are an eligible voter in the U.S.

-GL

 

[GL]

Red Dawn,

I'd like to accomodate that, but I'm trying to be as scientific as possible under the circumstances (the results won't be absolutely conclusive because the poll is being administered to a non-random cross-section of the population).

All I can say is just base your opinion on the actual sentence in terms of length of time and institutions to be served in. The question isn't really whether you agreed or not with the judge (who I understand it had to give that sentence). The opinion is just on the actual sentence as handed down.

EDIT: Actually think of it this way. In your ideal world, would the punishment that you hand down be more leniant, less leniant or more-or-less inline with the current sentence (which would mean it would be "appropriate" according to the poll)

-GL

 

[dopcombo]

EDIT

took out what i said because GL explained the situation to me.

 

[Ronstang]

I'm going to sit here and wait to see the conclusions you draw from trying to correlate political ideology to opinions on accountability and punishment.

 

[LaBang]

umm, that is up to the jurry and judge to decide. none of us were at the trial. none of us know all of the facts. we souldn't be comming to conclusions on what we don't know. I understand the guy is just a kid but I don't know all of the specifics to the case. The poll doesn't have a slot for answers like mine so I abstain from voting.

 

[spamboy]

This guy murdered the a girl a third his size. She sustained MASSIVE injuries. The kid is psycho and needs to be locked up. You don't "get better" after something like that, the kind of person who would do that has a brain problem and will never be safe on the streets.

 

[bonk102]

this isn't something that is in our hands to decide, the jury is the ultimate deciding factor in this case, but as far as i'm concerned, murderers and rapists should be sentenced to life in prison, or, depending on the severity of their crimes, put to death,

 

[Wingznut]

"He was offered 3 years incarceration and 10 years probation and the kid's Lawyer refused to take it. "

Actually, his mother wouldn't take the offer. Why, I have no idea.

 

[troglodytis]

<< Please answer the question in the poll based on the information given above >>



what does being affiliated with a political party have to do with the conviction of this kid?


typically republicans are connected with stiff sentencing. if that is what you are tring to imply with your 'information', keep in mind that jeb bush(r) is wanting to give clemency at an accelerated pace.

for the record....none of the above

 

[Smbu]

Looks like I'm the loner

I think the sentence was inappropriate and should have been more harsh (I generally vote for Democrats)

&quot;What I would like to say is this kid;s Lawyer screwed him good. He was offered 3 years incarceration and 10 years probation and the kid's Lawyer refused to take it.&quot;

Actually the mother of the boy had a big hand in refusing the more leniant settlement. You can't put all of the blame on the lawyer.

 

[Dameon]

Yep... looks like his lack of grasp of reality is hereditary.

I still haven't heard a good reason as to why she turned down the deal.

 

[RipRidah]

His mother should be convicted of being a first degree moron.
Anyways I think the appropiate punishment is life w/ possibility of parole in like 30 yrs.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

<<Anyways I think the appropiate punishment is life w/ possibility of parole in like 30 yrs.>>

I agree more or less exactly.

I think this is an interesting, well thought-out poll and I will be curious about the results. I must say I am still incredulous that so many people feel it is appropriate to give the death penalty to a 12-year-old offender (as presumably that is what Smbu is really saying).

 

[GL]

IF YOU HAVEN'T VOTED AND WANT TO...DON'T READ THIS

Conclusions

OK well it seems a lot of the people are starting to cop on. As far as the conclusions I was trying to draw - well let's just say I was trying to draw an inconclusion. I was trying to show a non-correlation between political party preference and how one viewed the actual sentence of Lionel Tate.

Another member of the board stated that there was a pattern between how people viewed the sentence and how they voted. I stated that there was no such pattern. I think anybody versed in statistics will clearly see that the results as of now are completely inconclusive. I think I've proved my point.

-GL

 

[MrAnderson]

I have to say that I think the sentence is correct with the following provisions:
-chance for parole
-just a single life sentence

I generally don't vote either Republican or Democrat, but for whomever is the best candidate. I didn't vote because of this reason.

 

[Ornery]

&quot;...typically republicans are connected with stiff sentencing. if that is what you are tring to imply with your 'information', keep in mind that jeb bush(r) is wanting to give clemency at an accelerated pace.&quot;

troglodytis is correct. The topic, Should 14 year old kid be sentenced Life , contained the following typical bleeding heart thoughts:

• &quot;I think it's a little to hush personally&quot; - AnimeKnight
• &quot;I think it's foolish. Yet another wasted life.&quot; - Elledan
• &quot;...maybe dish out 10 or 20 year sentences for terrible crimes commited by 14-18, but they definently do not deserve life.&quot; - Demosthenes
• &quot;I don't think he should be in there for life...&quot; - prodigy69
• &quot;...the jury seems to have been on a bloodhunt...&quot; - syzygy
• &quot;I dunno about a life sentence.&quot; - Ferocious
• &quot;This is the biggest perversion of justice I have seen in a long time.&quot; - SuperTool
• &quot;...he deserves to be in prison for less than a life sentence.&quot; - GL
• &quot;I too think life is too much.&quot;JoeBaD (&quot;I ain't no BHL&quot Infering what?[*]&quot;life is probably too harsh.&quot; - piku[*]&quot;He needs intense counseling&quot; - Azraele[*]&quot;...is life really the best solution?&quot; - konichiwa[*]&quot;I dont see the interest of Justice being served here at all.&quot; - Clinotus[*]&quot;That fact is, the kid was 12 when he did this.&quot; - Wah[*]&quot;no way should a 14 year-old child be tried as an adult for an act committed at age 12.&quot; - ForeverSilky[*]&quot;...a 14 year old gets a life sentence for killing someone, but a parent that kills their child is out in 5 years....&quot; - SJ
• &quot;...it is the parent's fault.&quot; - Celstar
• &quot;I hope noone ever gets the justice system going after them like you want it to go over a 14 year old boy.&quot; - TidesFan
• &quot;...I guess some of the armchair prosecutors here have no problem whatsoever sentencing a 12 year old to, essentially, a few decades of anal rape followed by death.&quot; - Adar
• &quot;No, HELL no he shouldent, hes just a kid, it was an accident.&quot; - CrazyRaider

Bleeding heart liberals come from different countries and both sides of the isle, but mostly from one particular side. Jeb Bush will probably give the kid the same sentence the plea bargain offered. This kid should consider himself as lucky as OJ. I doubt Jeb's brother would have done the same, but you never know. If it were up to me, I'd let him rot. That's what his victim is doing right now... :|

 

[GL]

Ornery, will you please look at the empirical evidence?

-GL

 

[Ornery]

I am. Those are true quotes from real people. Most of us know where the Rs and Ds go by each name...

 

[GL]

No Ornery I don't. I don't assume things that aren't there.

Look at the poll. Do you notice something right now? The Republicans and Democrats are pretty much voting the same way and even at this early inconclusive stage in the polling there does not seem to be any correlation between being a Democrat or Republican and how you viewed the sentence!

You made a statement in another thread that had no basis. I decided to test a potential basis which, if it turned out your way, could have validified your statement and now that it doesn't turn out your way you decide to make more baseless assumptions.

So again, no I DON'T know where the Rs and Ds go because they aren't there. If I were to assume where the Rs and Ds go, I would have to accept several unproven characteristic axioms of being a Republican and a Democrat.

-GL

 

[Ornery]

I especially liked this one by JoeBaD, &quot;I ain't no BHL but I too think life is too much.&quot;

What caused him to throw that in about the &quot;BHL&quot;? It's common knowledge that Democrat's are the political home of the bleeding heart liberals. We all know they're soft on crime without any poll at all. Nobody is ever at fault. It's always the fault of society or the parents and a crummy childhood or whatever. That's the way they are...

 

[Kosugi]

I'm typically what Ornery would call a bleeding-heart liberal... hell, it's much better than being a goose-stepping neo-fascist,

But I think the judgement was fitting. Spamboy was right, this kid needs to be off the street for at least 20 years. He is not right, and would commit other crimes of equal or more severe violence undoubtedly.

However, I do generally oppose the death penalty.

This kid is a hardened criminal in the making.

 

[GL]

OK Ornery. Please write your above post backing up each assertion you've made with empirical evidence. If you cannot do this then your assertions are about as solid as pyramids built on quicksand.

-GL

 

[GL]

And not to single out Ornery,

Kosugi, these are the types of stereotypes I'm trying to quash! Is a Republican a fascist? What empirical evidence leads you to believe this?

-GL

 

[Kosugi]

Ornery,

Liberals do tend to go with rehabilitiation over incarceration, but they aren't, per se, &quot;We all know they're soft on crime without any poll at all&quot;. That's just Republican claptrap and election-year slogans talking.

Liberals tend to think rehabilitation for drug crimes is better than the &quot;3 strikes, you are out&quot; hard line that's taken by some states. It isn't being soft on crime, it's just a more practical and cost efficient approach to dealing with non-violent criminals. Otherwise you have situations like in Cali where the prison overcrowding and the cost of maintaining such a massive prison system is prohibitive.

You, Ornery, are the master of generalizations. But your generalizations are not accurate. Wish you'd come around. Else we will Sic Red on you

 

[Kosugi]

GL,

Didnt call a republican a fascist. I wouldn't say that. Course I didnt call my self a democrat either. For the record (again), I'm an independent, though liberal. I vote person, not party, my friend.

~Ko