Poll: Religious Declaration on Human Sexual Morality: Agree or Disagree?

Stark

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A prominent group of christian leaders (Dr. John R.W. Stott, Dr. J.I. Packer, Dr. Bill Bright, Dr. Rick Warren, Dr. Christopher Seitz, Dr. Francis J. Beckwith, Dr. Winston L. Frost, Dr. Stephen Olford and others) just came out with the following declaration. Do you agree or disagree?

Religious Declaration on Human Sexual Morality
Human sexual (genital) behavior is intended by God to be expressed solely within the confines of heterosexual, monogamous marriage. Since God is love, sexual activity can only be considered a true act of love when carried out within these parameters, clearly established by God in His Holy Word (the Bible).

Sexual intercourse is to be the same giving act that it represents - which is Jesus Christ's union with His Bride, the Church. It is two becoming one flesh - physically, spiritually and emotionally - the ultimate end of the separating of Eve from Adam's side.

It is a procreative and pleasure-giving act that may bear the fruit of children. It is a cause for the continuation of the human race and a bonding agent for the love shared between husband and wife. When done out of love by two spiritually healthy human beings, it will enhance the well-being and solidify the growing oneness of man and wife.

God purposed in creation that human sexual interaction be a reflection of that ultimate marriage to which He has called us - that between God and man / between Christ and the Church.

Just as God remains faithful, undivided and undeflected from His commitment to man, so this central act in marriage must remain equally faithful, undivided and undeflected - exemplifying the love, the trust and the commitment of a spouse to his/her marital partner.

Fidelity to God's blueprint for human sexual behavior is integral to healthy human spirituality.

The proscriptions on human sexual behavior established by God in His Holy Word (the Bible) are positive and life-giving. They are designed to bring both maximum glory to God and to be protective measures for those who might otherwise try to find life and fulfillment in alternative sexual behavior, which can only bring death and destruction. As such, they are an expression of God's perfect love and desire to protect those He has created.

Any deflection from these intended purposes of the Creator God is rebellion against the wisdom and goodness of God and sets one at enmity with Him until that person has repented of their actions and come into agreement once again with God's design. The idea that man has the right to chose his own methods of sexual expression flies in the face of everything taught in sacred Scripture.

For those who find themselves caught in an aberrant sexual lifestyle, God offers the atoning death of His Son, Jesus Christ, which brings forgiveness, cleansing, healing and transforming power. Jesus did not come to condemn mankind, but to save any and all who would come to Him for cleansing.

We are Speaking Out
  • We are speaking out against the attempts by those in secular and religious communities who seek to overturn and redefine the clear teachings of the Bible, to make it appear as though sexual behavior outside of the bounds described above is somehow normal and blessed by God. There has been a clear and unbroken Judeo-Christian, scriptural witness on these matters for over thirty-five hundred years.

    We are speaking out against the impression being given by a minority of religious and media figures that their version of sexual morality is consistent with the biblical witness and/or accepted by the Church.

    We are speaking out against the unchecked confusion and division sown in the Church by such apostles of immorality.

    We are speaking out against the death and destruction that such teachings have brought to our culture and the confusion that it has sown in our children.

    We are speaking out against any sex education program that would teach such ideas to our young people.

    We are speaking out against the impression given by some that those who support biblical definitions of morality hate those who refuse to accept or live by them.
We Stand in Opposition
  • We oppose any and all efforts to normalize or sanctify homosexual behavior, to advocate or bless homosexual marriages or to ordain those who engage in homosexual behavior.

    We oppose any attempt to stigmatize or reject persons who are turning to Christ for forgiveness, healing and transformation who have been struggling with their sexual orientation.

    We oppose any suggestion that they are lesser or more sinful human beings than anyone else. They are welcome in the Church.

    We oppose any and all attempts to normalize or sanctify heterosexual immorality, including the use of pornography or prostitutes, adulterous or other non-marital sexual relationships or any other behavior outside of healthy, heterosexual, marital monogamy.

    We oppose the taking of a human life in its mother's womb or any other form of abortion.
We Call Out
  • We call for people to return to the God of the Bible, through His Son Jesus Christ.

    We call for people to return to God's design for human behavior (sexual and otherwise) as found in the Holy Bible.

    We call for people to seek and receive from God Almighty the forgiveness, the cleansing, the deliverance and the healing that they need as a result of their unnatural sexual behavior.

    We call for people to seek and receive from God the desire and the power to walk in His ways.

    We call for those in government to honor the institution of marriage as it has been held for thousands of years by keeping it restricted to heterosexual, monogamous unions.

    We call for government to resist the legitimization of alternative sexual lifestyles in creating civil unions for couples who do not qualify for marriage.

    We call for our educational system to remove sex education materials that promote promiscuity, homosexual behavior or any other sexual behavior outside of traditional marriage.

    We call for the producers and distributors of every form of media communication to resist the temptation to fatten their coffers by continuing to spread the toxic message of sexual immorality.

    We call for religious leaders to stand firm against the tide of moral relativism and to remain faithful to God's Holy Word.

    We call for religious leaders to refuse to ordain those who engage in homosexual or non-marital heterosexual activity.

    We call for those leaders and laity in the Church who have not yet done so, to extend the same hand of love and grace to the repentant sinner that Christ has extended, and to repent from any condescending or hateful attitudes that they have held toward those who struggle with unholy sexual temptations.

    We call for religious leaders to refuse to bless what God calls sin, including homosexual unions, but to instead invite those who struggle with unholy sexual desire to the same fount of forgiveness and healing as everyone else - even Jesus Christ, the Lord.

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convex

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disagree...are these the same people that wear the "god hates fags" shirts?

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kru

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so jerking off = bad?

(sung to the tune of monty python's &quot;every sperm is sacred&quot;)
 

Stark

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kru, the declaration only says:

<< We oppose any and all attempts to normalize or sanctify heterosexual immorality, including the use of pornography or prostitutes, adulterous or other non-marital sexual relationships or any other behavior outside of healthy, heterosexual, marital monogamy. >>


I guess if that leads to spanking the monkey, then yes, it's bad. ;)
 

Stark

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Convex,

I didn't see &quot;god hates fags&quot; anywhere in the document. :eek:
 

convex

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i was just asking if these were the same bigots or a different variety of bigots
 

~zonker~

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I don't agree entirely with the tone of the statemnets, but the message they are delivering is an accurate portrayal of what the Bible teaches.

It's not the the central issue if the Bible, God's love and the strength and power and salvation that can come from accepting that love are. I have some difficulty with churches ordaining gay pastors, but I'm not to judge. There are many sins, and I suppose if there were a church ordaining alcoholics or drug dealers I would feel the same way. We all have sin in our lives, we're supposed to love everyone....
 

Stark

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zonker,

The declaration came in response to this:

The Religious Declaration on Sexual Morality, Justice, and Healing

Sexuality is God's life-giving and life-fulfilling gift. We come from diverse religious communities to recognize sexuality as central to our humanity and as integral to our spirituality. We are speaking out against the pain, brokenness, oppression, and loss of meaning that many experience about their sexuality.

Our faith traditions celebrate the goodness of creation, including our bodies and our sexuality. We sin when this sacred gift is abused or exploited. However, the great promise of our traditions is love, healing, and restored relationships.

Our culture needs a sexual ethic focused on personal relationships and social justice rather than particular sexual acts. All persons have the right and responsibility to lead sexual lives that express love, justice, mutuality, commitment, consent, and pleasure. Grounded in respect for the body and for the vulnerability that intimacy brings, this ethic fosters physical, emotional, and spiritual health. It accepts no double standards and applies to all persons, without regard to sex, gender, color, age, bodily condition, marital status, or sexual orientation.

God hears the cries of those who suffer from the failure of religious communities to address sexuality. We are called today to see, hear, and respond to the suffering caused by violence against women and sexual minorities, the HIV pandemic, unsustainable population growth and over-consumption, and the commercial exploitation of sexuality.

Faith communities must therefore be truth seeking, courageous, and just. We call for:

Theological reflection that integrates the wisdom of excluded, often silenced peoples, and insights about sexuality from medicine, social science, the arts and humanities.

Full inclusion of women and sexual minorities in congregational life, including their ordination and the blessing of same sex unions.

Sexuality counseling and education throughout the lifespan from trained religious leaders.

Support for those who challenge sexual oppression and who work for justice within their congregations and denomination.

Faith communities must also advocate for sexual and spiritual wholeness in society. We call for:

Lifelong, age appropriate sexuality education in schools, seminaries, and community settings.

A faith-based commitment to sexual and reproductive rights, including access to voluntary contraception, abortion, and HIV/STD prevention and treatment.

Religious leadership in movements to end sexual and social injustice.

God rejoices when we celebrate our sexuality with holiness and integrity. We, the undersigned, invite our colleagues and faith communities to join us in promoting sexual morality, justice, and healing.
 

cfredc

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what happens if you dont believe in god... does this still count? if i dont believe in god, then nothing of this is applicable to me... so i still can stroke the one-eyed monster
 

~zonker~

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Stark... that link made me even more troubled.

I'm attending The Pacific School of Religion in Berkley. All of my professors as well as the President of the school endorsed that statement :(
 

Gorgonzola

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i read the first 2 or so lines of that and realised that i had no idea what it was going on about. due to its religious content i will avoid this thread and say no more :)
 

SKiller

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It's a nice pink, fluffy... piece of crap (with a cherry on top). As is anything else that &quot;speaks out&quot; or &quot;stands in opposition&quot; of people's civil rights.

So yeah, I disagree ;)
 

Moonbeam

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I would worry about there being real love in a relationship, and after that I'd worry about nothing at all. &quot;Oh, my Beloved, wherever I look, it appears to be Thou.
 

Harvey

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They spout an awful lot empty of words just to blow hot air and try to justify their bigotry and hatred. :eek:
 

chess9

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Stark:

I lean towards Zonker's view, with the emphasized point that your little pronouncement is more about hate than love. Frankly, I think anyone who signs such a document is sexually repressed, narrow and bigoted. God gave us a wide variety of ways to express our sexuality. Who are you people to judge that God-given sexuality? If hell exists, anyone who signs that thing should go there.
 

warlord

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I just ruined a perfectly good keyboard by puking on it after reading their &quot;declaration.&quot;

okay, I didn't really but that was what it made me want to do. I'd have to say, like some others, that it reminded me why I chose a different path than organized religons.
 

Swoopman

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Ya know, I grew up in a Christian school, and all it taught me was that I didn't want to be like all those so-called Christians. 99% of 'em would be preaching one thing and be doing just the opposite the next day. If any of those bigots that wrote that so-called declaration say that they have never had &quot;impure thoughts&quot;, then they're full of more sh*t than I 1st thought. If that's what they believe, fine. They can believe whatever they want. What I hate is when they try to push it on everybody else. Anothet thing I've noticed is that they are always preaching not to judge, yet they are the most judgemental group I have ever seen! Don't get me wrong. I'm not an atheist, I mean, we had to get here some way, and I sure as hell don't believe that we came from monkeys. But who made these guys such great authorities on the subject? They did themselves. I mean, look at all the &quot;rules&quot; they have. There is no way humanly possible to live and not break one. And half of those &quot;rules&quot; ar nowhere to be found in the Bible, the book that they supposedly base their religion on. I know because I was forced to read the whole thing in school. They take one part, comepletely out of context, and make up like 30 rules from it. Bah...I need to go calm down.
 

Regine

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So, where does molesting altar boys fit in here?
I'm sure the catholic priests find justification for that in the bible somewhere too ;)
 

Swoopman

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Oh yeah, one more thing. If God hates gay people (which I don't believe he does), then why did He create them that way? It's not like they can help it.
 

Windogg

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Those who are against sex aint't getting any. If I;m going to hell any way then so be it. Pass the handcuffs and whipped cream while I take off my latex undies.

Windogg
 

~zonker~

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What I think I'm reading here are the two extreme viewpoints. One issue these viewpoints disagree on is abortion, another is the ordination of gay clergy, another is the church marrying gay couples.

I think I'm in between these viewpoints... the more liberal viewpoint more closely reflects God to my understanding, but I'm not with them on all the issues they raise.

I think most of you guys are missing the point(s) of the real debate occuring here...