POLL: Read this quote by a Marine -- Is this man a patriot?

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I saw this quote on a computer website:

I spent 33 years in the Marines. Most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....

-- US Marine Corps Major General Smedley Darlington Butler (1881-1940), winner of 2 Congressional Medals of Honor

Do you have an opinion of whether this man was / is a patriot or not?
 

KK

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More oinfo on the guy.
Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, one of the most colorful officers in the Marine Corps' long history, was one of the two Marines who received two Medals of Honor for separate acts of outstanding heroism.
He was not yet 20 when the citizens of his native West Chester, Pennsylvania, presented him with a sword on his return from the Boxer Rebellion in China. Some 50 years later that trophy was presented to the Marine Corps for permanent custody.

General Butler, later known to thousands of Marines as "Ol' Gimlet Eye," was born 30 July 1881. He was still in his teens when, on 20 May 1898, he was appointed a second lieutenant in the Marine Corps for the War with Spain.

Following a brief period of instruction at Washington, D.C., he served with the Marine Battalion, North Atlantic Squadron, until 11 February 1899, when he was ordered to his home and honorably discharged on 16 February 1899.

He was commissioned a first lieutenant in the Marine Corps on 8 April 1899; promoted to captain, 23 July 1900; to major, 13 May 1908; to lieutenant colonel, 1 August 1916; to colonel (temporary), 1 July 1918; to brigadier general (temporary), 7 October 1918; to colonel (permanent), 9 March 1919; to brigadier general (permanent), 4 June 1920; and to major general, 5 July 1929.

In April 1899, Lieutenant Butler was assigned to duty with the Marine Battalion at Manila, Philippine Islands. From 14 June 1900 to October 1900, he served with distinction in China, and was promoted to captain by brevet for distinguished conduct and public service in the presence of the enemy near Tientsin, China. He was wounded in that battle on 13 July 1900.

Returning to the United States in January 1901, he served at various posts within the continental limits and on several ships. He also served ashore in Puerto Rico and the Isthmus of Panama for short periods. In December 1909, he commanded the 3d Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment on the Isthmus of Panama. He was temporarily detached to command an expeditionary battalion organized for service in Nicaragua, 11 August 1912, in which capacity he participated in the bombardment, assault and capture of Coyotepe, 12 to 31 October. He remained on duty in Nicaragua until November 1912, when he rejoined the Marines at Camp Elliott, Panama.

His first Medal of Honor was presented following action at Vera Cruz, Mexico, 21 and 22 April 1914, where he commanded the Marines who landed and occupied the city. General Butler (then a major) "was eminent and conspicuous in command of his Battalion. He exhibited courage and skill in leading his men through the action of the 22d and in the final occupation of the city."

The following year, he was awarded the second Medal of Honor for bravery and forceful leadership as Commanding Officer of detachments of Marines and seamen of the USS Connecticut in repulsing Caco resistance on Fort Riviere, Haiti, 17 November 1915.

During World War I, he commanded the 13th Regiment of Marines in France. For exceptionally meritorious service, he was awarded the Army Distinguished Service Medal, the Navy Distinguished Service Medal, and the French Order of the Black Star. When he returned to the United States in 1919, he became Commanding General of the Marine Barracks, Quantico, Virginia, and served in this capacity until January 1924, when he was granted leave of absence to accept the post of Director of Public Safety of the City of Philadelphia. In February 1926, he assumed command of the Marine Corps Base at San Diego, California. In March 1927, he returned to China for duty with the 3d Marine Brigade. From April to 31 October he again commanded the Marine Barracks at Quantico. On 1 October 1931, he was retired upon his own application after completion of 33 years' service in the Marine Corps.

General Butler died at the Naval Hospital, Philadelphia, on 21 June 1940, following a four-week illness. He was survived by his widow, the former Ethel Conway Peters of Philadelphia, and their three children: Smedley D. Jr., Thomas Richard, and Ethel (Mrs. John Wehle).

General Butler was descendant of two old and distinguished families of Quakers. His father was Thomas S. Butler, for over thirty years a Representative in Congress from the Delaware-Chester County district of Pennsylvania, and a longtime chairman of the House Naval Affairs Committee. The general's mother was a Darlington and a Hicksite Friend.

The USS Butler, a destroyer, later converted to a high speed minesweeper, was named for General Butler in 1942. This vessel participated in the European and Pacific theaters of operations during the second World War.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
I saw this quote on a computer website:

I spent 33 years in the Marines. Most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....

-- US Marine Corps Major General Smedley Darlington Butler (1881-1940), winner of 2 Congressional Medals of Honor

Do you have an opinion of whether this man was / is a patriot or not?

An accurate comment on that period of history.
 

Painman

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Capitalism has no national loyalty, though he seems to have defended much more than that over his career, so I'd say Yes.
 

Deadtrees

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He sure is a patriot!

Also, he KNEW what he did, unlike the others who's got nothing but to say something like "Uh...I helped my country from communies and terriosts who was gonna attack America"
 

Perknose

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He served his country long and well. Of course he's a patriot.

Furthermore, informed dissent is the backbone of our democracy.

Those little pricks who voted "No" aren't fit to finish the spit shine on General Butler's boots with their tongues.
 
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Anyone who wins two Medals of Honor is a great patriot. He has the right to say whatever he wants about the circumstances of his service.
 

Zebo

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Depends when he had his "revelation." Took me till I was about 25 to realise war is nothing more than a trade in young lives and tax payer money for wall street dollars and profit.
 

Isshinryu

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He was a patriot who understood what America was really fighting for, and hopefully was only fighting to keep the young Marines under his command alive.
 

Infohawk

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Looks like there's no pattern among conservatives and liberals. The proportion is about the same so far. I'd like to see some of the far-right posters like "heartsurgeon", CADkindaGUY, and others comment though.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Let's ask Chesty Puller.
Two Medals of Honor? 33 years of service to his country? And you have to ask someone else? I question your patriotism.

And yeah, I damn well know who Chesty Puller was, perhaps better than you. He's a legend in the Corps, in which General Butler served with singular distinction, I might add.

Crap, alchemize, don't let your ideology make you so bleedin' small minded as to blind you to the contributions to our country of men who dwarf you and me, just because, in the true American spirit, they might disagree with your party line.

It's beneath you. It's beneath all of us.