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Poll: Rage is 9 years old

Which ID Software franchise(s) do you like?

  • Commander Keen

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Wolfenstein

    Votes: 8 47.1%
  • Doom

    Votes: 16 94.1%
  • Quake

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • Rage

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Total voters
    17

BFG10K

Lifer
Aug 14, 2000
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So I just finished playing Rage; this is my third time doing so. It looks quite good at 2560x1440 with 4xAA, rock solid 60FPS:



What I liked
  • This is Borderlands + Doom 3 + Fallout 3.
  • Semi-open world has the same exploration and immersion benefits of open-world without feeling overwhelmed or bogged down by useless filler content.
  • The guns feel really solid to use. Even the starting pistol can still be devastating end-game.
  • Level design of internal zones is very good. A nice mix of caves, buildings, factories, and sewers.
  • The graphics are really nice to look at despite their technical limitations (see below). A side-effect is texture surfaces have a very grainy and unclear look to them, which actually fits into the context of a grimy post-apocalyptic world.
  • Unlike many games with currency, the economy doesn’t eventually collapse into uselessness. It’s still worthwhile buying things end-game, especially armor piercing bullets and vehicle repair kits.
  • Crafting mechanics are really simple and just require the right ingredients, and can be done during combat. No grindy work benches, safe spaces or technicians required like some other games.
What I didn’t like
  • Mega-texturing is one of the worst failures ever in 3D gaming. Even with my NVMe drive I still get texture pop-in for half a second, though it’s hugely reduced compared to HDDs, and even SATA SSDs. It’s no surprise they completely got rid of that garbage in IDTech 7.
  • All lighting is pre-baked so there’s no dynamic lighting.
  • Frequent random sound drop-outs with no solution that I could find.
Overall this is still a really fun game to play.

And no joke, here's the original Doom running on a pregnancy test kit:
 
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pmv

Diamond Member
May 30, 2008
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Really? I haven't got round to playing it yet. Well, I started it at one point then put it aside. 9 years? Really? Where does the time go?

Now I remember it, I didn't care for the car-racing stuff. That's why I lost interest.
 

Artorias

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Feb 8, 2014
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Mega-textures is a really interesting concept. I feel like artists would greatly benefit from this if it was refined more.

A great summary regarding its failures but also positives. Perhaps it came too soon.

 

DigDog

Lifer
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i think i played the first two of the Wolfenstein "reboots", and did not play the others because of the INSANE install size, but i have watched some YT videos, and they look like a poor man's COD clone.
I played Rage 1 and really did not like it. It tries to be like Doom the original, but it's nothing like it. First off, the guns suck. Second, the maps suck. Enter room, mob spawn trigger. proceed to next room. And the driving was completely out of place and the story was truly mediocre.
It was supposed to be a graphic wonder, and instead it was grey and with tons of popping textures, which - and i quote id - "cannot be fixed without a major overhaul".
Fixed 1 week later by a bedroom hacker by changing .ini settings.

Doom 3 was really bad. Reeeeally bad. Even Quake 4 was better (and it's practically the same game), but it was just so incredibly boring, repetitive, with zero fun. Lock you in room, spawn mobs. OH LOOK, i spawn a mob behidn you! SUCH CLEVER!

I have not had a chance to play Doom 2016 or Doom Eternal, but i heard that they were both good.



Final note: SHAME ON YOU for forgetting Hexen and Heretic. Neither of which i like.
But i did not expect such oversight from you.
 

BFG10K

Lifer
Aug 14, 2000
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Mega-textures is a really interesting concept. I feel like artists would greatly benefit from this if it was refined more.
Disagree. Mega-texturing is an inherent failure because it requires constant streaming, absolutely destroying any caching opportunity. When you play Rage your HDD is a solid light unless you stop all input, because data is constantly being thrown out and pulled in again.

Also it has horrendous disk space requirement in exchange for very low detail overall. Doom Eternal has far more detailed textures for far less disk space, with zero pop-in.

And finally it's basically unusable for modding, because nobody is going to edit a gargantuan multi-GB texture.

Final note: SHAME ON YOU for forgetting Hexen and Heretic. Neither of which i like.
But i did not expect such oversight from you.
Huh? That franchise was started and exclusively developed by Raven.
 
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DigDog

Lifer
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uh .. i knew they were id's side project - designed in-house, built developed externally. John Romero was project director, and id published the game. It also runs on the doom engine, which today may be normal, but in 1995 it was enough to call it a Doom game.
 

JimKiler

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Oct 10, 2002
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Doom 3 was really bad. Reeeeally bad. Even Quake 4 was better (and it's practically the same game), but it was just so incredibly boring, repetitive, with zero fun. Lock you in room, spawn mobs. OH LOOK, i spawn a mob behind you! SUCH CLEVER!

I have not had a chance to play Doom 2016 or Doom Eternal, but i heard that they were both good.



Final note: SHAME ON YOU for forgetting Hexen and Heretic. Neither of which i like.
But i did not expect such oversight from you.
I could not agree more, i played that and Far Cry 1 around the same. Doom was pretty but so repetitive and boring. I dreaded it after a while because of the walk forward and something spawns behind you. Far Cry was such a breathe of fresh air which gave you choices of how to attack an area and which direction to take to get to a place.

I have yet to play Doom Eterenal, but the previous iteration, Doom 2016 was awesome and I love it. The arcade mode gives it replay value or if you don't have a lot of time you can just play and rush through a level.
 

BFG10K

Lifer
Aug 14, 2000
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uh .. i knew they were id's side project - designed in-house, built developed externally. John Romero was project director, and id published the game. It also runs on the doom engine, which today may be normal, but in 1995 it was enough to call it a Doom game.
Nope, Brian Raffel (Raven) was director, Romero was just the producer.
 

pmv

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I could not agree more, i played that and Far Cry 1 around the same. Doom was pretty but so repetitive and boring. I dreaded it after a while because of the walk forward and something spawns behind you. Far Cry was such a breathe of fresh air which gave you choices of how to attack an area and which direction to take to get to a place.

I have yet to play Doom Eterenal, but the previous iteration, Doom 2016 was awesome and I love it. The arcade mode gives it replay value or if you don't have a lot of time you can just play and rush through a level.
Different tastes, I guess, but I liked Doom 3. Specifically I liked the slower pace and the super-creepy atmosphere. Perhaps it had a bit too much of the cheap-surprise-spawning, but I think I just like eerie, creepy atmospheres in games ('look around you marine, everyone is dead'). I suppose I am a fan of games meant to be played in a dark room. i don't hate them but I'm not a huge fan of fast-paced manic shoot-em-ups, which is why I didn't like doom 2016 as much (as well as getting stuck part way through it). it just had no atmosphere. Far Cry was OK.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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I like single player doom and single player quake.

rage is garbage. really nice shiny garbage.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Rage was a fun pop-corny kinda thing if you're looking for a brain-dead shooter with some decent mechanics. Pretty game too.

Given the game's map layout, lite RPG elements, and every level getting a second run to pad out play time, Rage might have done well as a now very popular "Metroidvania" where new weapons and equipment allow you to unlock new sections or zones instead of the standard old quest format.

Haven't played the second game, but my understanding is its gone full boring modern open-world and fits solidly into the "magenta" game genre.
 

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