POLL: North Korea vs USA (battleground = Korea)

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Drakkon

no country in the history of america has come on to our turrf and taken away our land...they get one attack off then they get their assess handed to them. Thats why we can assume the US is the invading force. Any country that decided to try and take over any us terriroty is going to get the fight of their lives and most likely annihilated and their country "americanized" because of it. I mean take Japan...they tried to take one tiny island of ours...we not only nuke their land but take over half of europe for good measure...and now they depend on us so much to consume their goods they are now our ally

Right and that is kind of my point. Essentially it is impossible for any country to even think about, much less actually invade the US. That fact alone should be a testament to the sheer power of our military force.

Some people think that the US would get owned simply because China and North Korea have more numbers. The fact is they are powerless, they have nothing. In order to make these fantasy battles even remotely possible people have to give a handicap to the US.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Drakkon

no country in the history of america has come on to our turrf and taken away our land...they get one attack off then they get their assess handed to them. Thats why we can assume the US is the invading force. Any country that decided to try and take over any us terriroty is going to get the fight of their lives and most likely annihilated and their country "americanized" because of it. I mean take Japan...they tried to take one tiny island of ours...we not only nuke their land but take over half of europe for good measure...and now they depend on us so much to consume their goods they are now our ally

Ahem...The Brits owned us pretty badly when they captured Washington and burned down the Executive Mansion and other government buildings.

Why is that war rarely discussed in school? It's always goes War for Independence --> War Between the states --> WWI --> WWII --> Vietnam

That, Korea, and a few other wars only get a paragraph in the grand sceme of things.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: K1052
Ahem...The Brits owned us pretty badly when they captured Washington and burned down the Executive Mansion and other government buildings.

I hardly consider that us getting "owned" when the Brits ended up being forced out of the US . . . again. Also we did not really get "owned" when the US troops were consistently outnumbered yet won the war and especially when you have something that happened down in New Orleans when the odds were in favor of the British but they got their butts handed to them.

If I remember correct when the Brits captured the capital it wasn't a battle really but rather American forces fell back to regroup. American forces essentially gave them the capital as opposed to losing the capital.

 

[cjgallen]

America, fvck yeah!

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Drakkon

no country in the history of america has come on to our turrf and taken away our land...they get one attack off then they get their assess handed to them. Thats why we can assume the US is the invading force. Any country that decided to try and take over any us terriroty is going to get the fight of their lives and most likely annihilated and their country "americanized" because of it. I mean take Japan...they tried to take one tiny island of ours...we not only nuke their land but take over half of europe for good measure...and now they depend on us so much to consume their goods they are now our ally

Ahem...The Brits owned us pretty badly when they captured Washington and burned down the Executive Mansion and other government buildings.

Why is that war rarely discussed in school? It's always goes War for Independence --> War Between the states --> WWI --> WWII --> Vietnam

That, Korea, and a few other wars only get a paragraph in the grand sceme of things.

In my school, we spent about 1/3 the time we spent covering the War of 1812 compared the War for Independence (I think it was about 2-3 weeks versus about a week). I think it's not covered nearly as extensively because many people don't feel it was really all that important. Whether it is or not, I'm not one to say because I'm no historian.

As for the Korean War, I am extremely upset that it is not given nearly enough attention in school. You're right, we spent all of a day discussing the Korean War in class, and it was not covered on the AP US History Test at all, which is a bunch of horse crap. Which I guess is why if you want to really learn, it must be done outside of academia.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: K1052

Ahem...The Brits owned us pretty badly when they captured Washington and burned down the Executive Mansion and other government buildings.

Re-read his post. He said "no country in the history of america has come on to our turrf and taken away our land." The British won battles in some cities and caused damage, but they did not take any land from us. We kicked them out. They went home with nothing, no land gained.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: K1052
Ahem...The Brits owned us pretty badly when they captured Washington and burned down the Executive Mansion and other government buildings.

I hardly consider that us getting "owned" when the Brits ended up being forced out of the US . . . again. Also we did not really get "owned" when the US troops were consistently outnumbered yet won the war and especially when you have something that happened down in New Orleans when the odds were in favor of the British but they got their butts handed to them.

If I remember correct when the Brits captured the capital it wasn't a battle really but rather American forces fell back to regroup. American forces essentially gave them the capital as opposed to losing the capital.

A foreign power burning your capitol is never a good thing. Not to mention that we really got nothing out of the war other than further commitments from the British to hold to their existing treaty obligations and stop impressment (which had already been taken care of). We did rather well on the seas though even with our relatively few ships.

It was a draw at best for us.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: K1052

Ahem...The Brits owned us pretty badly when they captured Washington and burned down the Executive Mansion and other government buildings.

Re-read his post. He said "no country in the history of america has come on to our turrf and taken away our land." The British won battles in some cities and caused damage, but they did not take any land from us. We kicked them out. They went home with nothing, no land gained.

they get one attack off then they get their assess handed to them

I read his post. Did you?

Nobody really gained anything out of the War of 1812.

 

[Sentinel]

welcome to another business venture for corporate white collar america...

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: K1052

I read his post. Did you?

Nobody really gained anything out of the War of 1812.

Yes I did. That's how I could tell that you didn't understand what he said. He claimed that nobody has successfully invaded the US and taken our land, and you replied that the British (temporarily) captured Washington and burned down some buildings. We successfully defended ourselves in that war. They were sent home with no land gained. Hence what the original poster said about that was correct while you missed his point.

 

[alent1234]

i spent a year in Korea while in the army 10 miles from the DMZ. I have actually been 10 feet away from the demarkation line which is a white line painted on the ground. If the NK attacked, the US would easily win. The terrain is a lot of hills and all the roads are already booby trapped to have rocks get blown into the road and block traffic. The bridges are also booby trapped. If NK attacked their tanks would be on the roads waiting for their engineers to fix things while our air power would destroy them.

One thing that the US has proved in the last 50 years is that it can fight outnumbered, but that our advantages in equipment and training are much more than an opponents advantage in numbers.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: K1052

I read his post. Did you?

Nobody really gained anything out of the War of 1812.

Yes I did. That's how I could tell that you didn't understand what he said. He claimed that nobody has successfully invaded the US and taken our land, and you replied that the British (temporarily) captured Washington and burned down some buildings. We successfully defended ourselves in that war. They were sent home with no land gained. Hence what the original poster said about that was correct while you missed his point.

He implied that no nation could mount a campaign against the US on our native soil and not soon be destroyed. The British proved that this was not the case.

If anything we only risked what we already had and managed not to loose anything while gaining nothing. This would not be considered winning.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Buickbeast
:thumbsup:

I have no doubt that we would or would have already invaded N. Korea if they didn't have Nukes. Just like we would of left Saddam alone if he had nukes. In war people don't play fair and they use the weapons they have.

You are wrong on so many levels that the only thing you have done is show your ignorance. NK is an ally of China, NK also has a fairly formidible millitary with over 10,000 artilery pieces currently in range of Seoul SK. If we went to war with NK millions of civillians in SK would die within minutes. The US will never invade NK, the policy has always been wait them out.

 

[Tylanner]

When all else fails.

The Siege of North Korea!

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: K1052

If anything we only risked what we already had and managed not to loose anything while gaining nothing. This would not be considered winning.

Repelling an attack on our own soil is considered winning.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: cyclistca

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I'm no military expert, but I don't see how N. Korea could possibly stand a chance. People would die yeah, but at the end of the day the US would almost certainly be the victor.

I guess you've never heard about Iraq or Vietnam.

If the gloves seriously came off in both of those contests, there would be no question in your mind about who the victor was. The only problem would be that beating them into submission would border on genocide.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: cyclistca

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I'm no military expert, but I don't see how N. Korea could possibly stand a chance. People would die yeah, but at the end of the day the US would almost certainly be the victor.

I guess you've never heard about Iraq or Vietnam.

If the gloves seriously came off in both of those contests, there would be no question in your mind about who the victor was. The only problem would be that beating them into submission would border on genocide.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: K1052

Ahem...The Brits owned us pretty badly when they captured Washington and burned down the Executive Mansion and other government buildings.

Re-read his post. He said "no country in the history of america has come on to our turrf and taken away our land." The British won battles in some cities and caused damage, but they did not take any land from us. We kicked them out. They went home with nothing, no land gained.

Well, Japan did take over some Aleutian islands which are part of the US during WWII if that counts.

 

[zakee00]

If you haven't noticed, we don't "go Dresden" on anybody anymore. We don't carpet bomb anymore. We use highly accurate missles and bombs to take out strategic targets.

If there were to be any winners though, it would be the N Korean people who would be freed from Kim Jong Il's rule.

not nearly as bad as we did in WWII, but our "highly accurage missles and bombs' still tend to end up in a civilan's house every once in a while. and while the korean people might "win", ALOT of them would die...along with alot of other people. war would be a last resort.
here are the ways the US and NKorea could end up in a war:
1. if they attack Skorea or us, or anyone really
2. if they keep building nukes
3. if they start to harbor terrorists

if they attacked anyone, that would piss bush off...we would probably do something.

if they keep building WOMD, that would piss bush off...we would probably do something.

if they start to (or harbor more) terrorists...that would piss bush off...we would probably do something.

i seriously doubt we will end up going to war unless they do something REALLY stupid

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: Queasy
I don't expect for NK to go invading anyone. They basically exist at the whim of China right now and wouldn't do anything without China's permission.

Uh, no. China has influence but not a tremendous amount. If they did have absolute control, North Korea wouldn't be dabbling in nuclear weaponry (why would they risk a threat to Beijing?). NK is a maverick.

Ok, for those people who think that North Korea's "million man army" is worth something, consider the fact that the population has been malnourished for quite some time now. Then, consider that although the military gets first dibs on aid supplies, the troops in the military have to come from the population (which is starving and/or malnourished). So, they grow up (you know, those important formative years) starving/malnourished then join the military. The damage has already been done. Feeding them in their late teens and twenties doesn't suddenly make them grow that extra foot or add bone density.

Also don't forget that South Korea doesn't exactly have a pushover military. Well over 500,000 strong plus reserves.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

truthfully if north korea where backed into a corner and they actually do have atomic weapons, I think they would use them before they fell.