Poll: NBA Rookie of the year (ROY)

dafatha00

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Ok, up to this point, who would you say is on par of winning Rookie of the Year? Another interesting question would be, if you were to redo the NBA draft at this point, what would be your top five picks starting from number 1.

for me,
1. Yao Ming
2. Amare Stoudamire
3. Caron Butler
4. Drew Gooden
5. Jay Williams
 

LeeTJ

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it's interesting. i think other rookies will have better statistical years than Yao. For me, i vote for yao because of his potential. it's more than the "potential" we heard of. now we've seen some of what he is capable of, and he could be DOMINANT in this league, but i think it'll take him 2 or 3 more seasons before he gets there.

stoudamire has shown more this season, i'm not sure his potential is as great as Yaos tho. Yao has shown the talent and ability that would make him a center good enough to compare to Wilt, Jabbar, Reed, Hakeem or Shaq.
 

dafatha00

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Originally posted by: LeeTJ
it's interesting. i think other rookies will have better statistical years than Yao. For me, i vote for yao because of his potential. it's more than the "potential" we heard of. now we've seen some of what he is capable of, and he could be DOMINANT in this league, but i think it'll take him 2 or 3 more seasons before he gets there.

stoudamire has shown more this season, i'm not sure his potential is as great as Yaos tho. Yao has shown the talent and ability that would make him a center good enough to compare to Wilt, Jabbar, Reed, Hakeem or Shaq.

I somewhat agree. Yao Ming definitely needs to bulk up his upper body strength before he can dominate but he definitely is too different from Shaq. He dwells on too much finesse game to give it up over the years. Shaq will probably more dominant than Yao will ever become. As far as Hakeen, he does show similarities but Hakeem was one of a kind. He had some of the best footwork and agility for a big man the game had ever seen and I don't think Yao can replicate that. Yao reminds me more of a combo between Kareem and Sampson. In any case. it should take him several years before he becomes a huge factor in the game. But Amare Stoudamire already has the body to dominate which is exactly what he has been doing. One thing that strikes me about Amare though is he severely lacks defensive game. Yao is better but he still needs to work at it.

 

dafatha00

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Ok. After tonight's game between the Suns and the Rockets, Yao Ming definitely has the advantage.
 

Reliant

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Amare Stoudamire came out of the gates faster then Yao Ming but the media has a much bigger deal about Yao. They labeled him ROY before the season started.
 

ManSnake

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Yao will be rookie of the year for the simple fact that there aren't that many centers in the league let alone good ones.
Stoudamire is PF, and currently there are countless PFs better than him in the league.
 

hans007

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i think caron butler has really turned it up lately. i know his team sucks, but he's been the most consistant the whole year as well.
 

Banana

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I voted for Yao not only because he is a good player, but also because of the positive attention he brought to the NBA.

:p OTOH, I also like to watch Ron Artest blow up . . . hehheh
 

Masas

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next (RELATED) question...

would DREW GOODEN have been as affective or more than AMARE STOUDEMIRE
if he had been getting the pt he's been getting after he got traded?
man's good for a double double...
and maybe not as explosive as amare, but consistent
 

Cycad

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Okay Rookie of the year has nothing to do with potential. Rookie of the year goes to the best rookie and Amare Stoudamire has played atleast twice as well as Yao. Yoa has shown some signs of life but Stoudamire brings life to the game when he plays. We will see if Yoa can hang in the NBA but as long as he is getting boxed out by guys that are 6' 9" he isn't gonna be a dominant force. Granted I think Yao has the mental game down, and may eventually be a better player than Amare, this year he has failed to prove that he is the ROY.
 

ManSnake

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Originally posted by: Cycad
Okay Rookie of the year has nothing to do with potential. Rookie of the year goes to the best rookie and Amare Stoudamire has played atleast twice as well as Yao. Yoa has shown some signs of life but Stoudamire brings life to the game when he plays. We will see if Yoa can hang in the NBA but as long as he is getting boxed out by guys that are 6' 9" he isn't gonna be a dominant force. Granted I think Yao has the mental game down, and may eventually be a better player than Amare, this year he has failed to prove that he is the ROY.

According to nba.com, Yao seems to be beating Stoudamire:

Yao: PPG 13.8/RPG 8.30/APG 1.6/EFF + 18.30

Ranks #18 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(8.3)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.519)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game(1.88)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(529.0)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Blocks(120.0)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Double-doubles(23.0)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(9.4)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(13.4)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes(3.05)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(29.74)


Stoudamire: PPG 13.4/RPG 9.30/APG .9/EFF + 15.42

Ranks #9 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(9.3)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(207.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(3.2)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(385.0)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(6.0)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(592.0)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Double-doubles(23.0)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(9.03)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(4.9)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(14.0)
 

hans007

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personally i think it will go to yao or stoudamire. being in similar teams, i'd figure i hope it goes to the one who makes the playoffs.



i also think gooden would be a lot better, i somewhat favor gooden and butler just becasue they seem to have more developed games than yao or stoudamire (Well they did go to college..)
 

DanTMWTMP

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i told everyone..that amare will be rookie of the year..no one believed me...i chose him first round in my yahoo! fantasy basketball team!!

i thought yao ming wouldn't be THAT good, but he's exceeded all my expectations...and amare's right there w/ him..but of course, now i think yao's gonna get it, but amare's performance this year certainly me going yay in ur face to my friends..
 

dafatha00

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Originally posted by: Cycad
Okay Rookie of the year has nothing to do with potential. Rookie of the year goes to the best rookie and Amare Stoudamire has played atleast twice as well as Yao. Yoa has shown some signs of life but Stoudamire brings life to the game when he plays. We will see if Yoa can hang in the NBA but as long as he is getting boxed out by guys that are 6' 9" he isn't gonna be a dominant force. Granted I think Yao has the mental game down, and may eventually be a better player than Amare, this year he has failed to prove that he is the ROY.

Amare has played twice as well as Yao? Which NBA have you been watching? Yao has a higher PPG, APG, and BPG ranking as well as a better field goal and free throw percentage than Amare all in less minutes. The Rockets have have become one of the most improved teams this year because of Yao. Last season, they were 28-54. Right now they're at 35-30 and battling for the final playoff spot.

What Amare does is provide high energy for the Suns with his hustle on both ends of the court. He obviously rebounds very well but as far as him playing twice as well as Yao, I'll have some of what you're smoking please.
 

Cycad

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Yao may be the biggest dissappointment of the year I would vote for him for that. I don't believe that the Rockets play well with him. I think that Francis and Mobeley are afraid that he is gonna steal the spotlight from them and so they don't involve him as much as they should. I think for a guy who is 7' 6" and can shoot like Yao his numbers are unimpressive to say the least.
 

dafatha00

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Originally posted by: Cycad
Yao may be the biggest dissappointment of the year I would vote for him for that. I don't believe that the Rockets play well with him. I think that Francis and Mobeley are afraid that he is gonna steal the spotlight from them and so they don't involve him as much as they should. I think for a guy who is 7' 6" and can shoot like Yao his numbers are unimpressive to say the least.

Explain to me how Amare has played twice as well as Yao. You still haven't done that.
 

iamme

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Yao will win ROY, unless Amare has an AMAZING last month, IMO.

David Stern probably wants Yao to win too....good for Chinese interest in the NBA.
 

LeeTJ

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Originally posted by: iamme
Yao will win ROY, unless Amare has an AMAZING last month, IMO.

David Stern probably wants Yao to win too....good for Chinese interest in the NBA.

yes, he is. but let's not say it as if he didn't deserve it. Chinese interest. local interest all are important to the NBA, but Yao is definitely one of the top 2 or 3 rookies in the NBA this year. in my opinion he deserves it as much as anyone else in the league.