Poll: Most Americans Doubt Bush's Honesty

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051111/ap_...;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--


By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer 9 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Most Americans say they aren't impressed by the ethics and honesty of the Bush administration, already under scrutiny for its justifications for an unpopular war in
Iraq and its role in the leak of a covert
CIA officer's identity.
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Almost six in 10 ? 57 percent ? said they do not think the Bush administration has high ethical standards and the same portion says
President Bush is not honest, an AP-Ipsos poll found. Just over four in 10 say the administration has high ethical standards and that Bush is honest. Whites, Southerners and white evangelicals were most likely to believe Bush is honest.

Bush, who promised in the 2000 campaign to uphold "honor and integrity" in the White House, last week ordered White House workers, from presidential advisers to low-ranking aides, to attend ethics classes.

The president gets credit from a majority for being strong and decisive, but he's also seen by an overwhelming number of people as "stubborn," a perception reinforced by his refusal to yield on issues like the Iraq war, tax cuts and support for staffers under intense pressure.

More than eight in 10, 82 percent, described Bush as "stubborn," with almost that many Republicans agreeing to that description. That stubborn streak has served Bush well at times, but now he is being encouraged to shake up his staff and change the direction of White House policies.

Concern about the administration's ethics has been fueled by the controversy over flawed intelligence leading up to the Iraq war and the recent indictment of Vice President
Dick Cheney's top aide, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice for his role in the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's name.

That loss of trust complicates Bush's efforts to rebuild his standing with the public. His job approval rating remains at his all-time low in the AP-Ipsos poll of 37 percent.

"Honesty is a huge issue because even people who disagreed with his policies respected his integrity," said Bruce Buchanan, a political scientist from the University of Texas.

The mandatory White House lectures on ethics for its employees came after the Libby indictment, and some people say they aren't impressed.

"It's like shutting the barn door after the horse escaped," said John Morrison, a Democrat who lives near Scranton, Pa.

"This week's elections were just a preview of what's going to happen," he said, referring to Tuesday's New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial races, both won by Democrats. "People are just fed up."

Some Republicans are nervous about the GOP's political position.

"A lot of elected Republicans are running for the hills in the Northeast," said Connecticut GOP strategist Chris DePino after what he called "a waterfall of missteps" by Republicans. Bush and the GOP must return to their message that the United States has been safe from terrorism during his administration, DePino said.

Only 42 percent in the new poll said they approve of Bush's handling of foreign policy and terrorism, his lowest rating yet in an area that has long been his strongest issue.

The war in Iraq is at the core of the public's unrest, polling found.

An AP-Ipsos poll last week asked people to state in their own words why they approved or disapproved of the way Bush was doing his job. Almost six in 10 disapproved, and they most frequently mentioned the war in Iraq ? far ahead of the second issue, the economy.

"To use an unfortunate metaphor, Iraq is a roadside bomb in American politics," said Rich Bond, a former national Republican chairman.

Many of those who approve of Bush's job performance cited his Christian beliefs and strong values, the second biggest reason for support after backing his policies.

"I know he is a man of integrity and strong faith," said Fran Blaney, a Republican and an evangelical who lives near Hartford, Conn. "I've read that he prays every morning asking for God's guidance. He certainly is trying to do what he thinks he is supposed to do."

The poll of 1,000 adults was conducted Nov. 7-9 by Ipsos, an international polling firm, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

It's about time people finally realized how dishonest this administration is...
 

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How could people consider him and his admin honest when they are proven liars.
The biggest LIARS in U.S. history with the most damaging results.
 

DrPizza

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Call me "undecided"
I can't determine whether he's a manipulative liar,
or if he's so stupid that he actually believes what he's saying.
 

ntdz

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O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

I find it very odd that you Bushites consider polls to be meaningless unless the results are in Bush's favor.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that poll.

The only positive result for Bush is, America is positive he's a liar. ;)
 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

If they were really that meaningless you wouldn't be posting in this thread. You just can't take the fact that Bush is unpopular and political baggage now for the Repubs. That said, 3 years with a lame duck at the helm isn't good for our country in any way. Other countries (like those in the recent South America summit) will start pushing us around.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

I find it very odd that you Bushites consider polls to be meaningless unless the results are in Bush's favor.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that poll.

The only positive result for Bush is, America is positive he's a liar. ;)

I find all polls not around election time meaningless.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

If they were really that meaningless you wouldn't be posting in this thread. You just can't take the fact that Bush is unpopular and political baggage now for the Repubs. That said, 3 years with a lame duck at the helm isn't good for our country in any way. Other countries (like those in the recent South America summit) will start pushing us around.

Umm, I don't think Brazil or Paraguay are about to start pushing us around...
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

I find it very odd that you Bushites consider polls to be meaningless unless the results are in Bush's favor.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that poll.

The only positive result for Bush is, America is positive he's a liar. ;)

I find all polls not around election time meaningless.

Pretty much.
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?
"Liberals" have a lot of "conservative" company in distrusting the Bushwhackos.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/29/AR2005102901223.html

55% in Survey Say Libby Case Signals Broader Problems

By Richard Morin and Claudia Deane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, October 30, 2005; Page A14

A majority of Americans say the indictment of senior White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby signals broader ethical problems in the Bush administration, and nearly half say the overall level of honesty and ethics in the federal government has fallen since President Bush took office, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News survey.

The poll, conducted Friday night and yesterday, found that 55 percent of the public believes the Libby case indicates wider problems "with ethical wrongdoing" in the White House, while 41 percent believes it was an "isolated incident." And by a 3 to 1 ratio, 46 percent to 15 percent, Americans say the level of honesty and ethics in the government has declined rather than risen under Bush.

In the aftermath of the latest crisis to confront the White House, Bush's overall job approval rating has fallen to 39 percent, the lowest of his presidency in Post-ABC polls. Barely a third of Americans -- 34 percent -- think Bush is doing a good job ensuring high ethics in government, which is slightly lower than President Bill Clinton's standing on this issue when he left office.

The survey also found that nearly seven in 10 Americans consider the charges against Libby to be serious. A majority -- 55 percent -- said the decision of Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald to bring charges against Libby was based on the facts of the case, while 30 percent said he was motivated by partisan politics.

"One thing you can't ever, ever do even if you're a regular person is lie to a grand jury," said Brad Morris, 48, a registered independent and a field representative for a lumber company who lives in Nashua, N.H. "But multiply that by a thousand times if you have power like [Libby had]. And if anybody wants to know why, ask Scooter. He's financially ruined; he'll be paying lawyers for the rest of his life."

Taken together, the findings represent a serious blow to a White House already reeling from the politically damaging effects of the slow government response to Hurricane Katrina, the continuing bloodshed in Iraq, the ongoing criticism of its since-repudiated claims that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction and the bungled nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

The ethics findings may be particularly upsetting to a president who came to office in 2000 vowing to restore integrity and honor to a White House that he said had been tainted by the recurring scandals of the Clinton years.

On Friday, a federal grand jury in Washington indicted Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, on two counts of making false statements, two counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice in the course of Fitzgerald's investigation into the disclosure of the name of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame to reporters. Plame's husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, has accused the Bush administration of going to war in Iraq based on intelligence officials knew was untrue.

The survey of 600 randomly selected Americans represents a snapshot of initial reactions to the Libby indictment. Those views could quickly change as the public learns more about the charges and as Republicans and Democrats mount competing campaigns to shape public attitudes. The margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus four percentage points.

Those campaigns may play an influential role in the public's final conclusions about the leak investigation. In the 24 hours after Fitzgerald's news conference, the survey and follow-up interviews found many Americans confused as to what, if anything, to make of the complicated indictment.

Ellen Mulligan, 34, a Republican and part-time art teacher who lives in Hamden, Conn., was one of these. "If I understood what happened, Vice President Cheney's adviser spoke to his wife and then she leaked the secret," Mulligan said.

That is not an allegation in the indictment, but though Mulligan may not know exactly what happened, the scandal for her is both typical Washington and part of a broader pattern of ethical challenges in this administration. "My actual opinion is more, 'Here we go again.' Every administration has their secrets and has some corruption," she said. But she is disappointed with Bush on the ethics front. "I think Bush's actions in certain situations are pretty much unethical, [though] not illegal. . . . He's definitely not his father. His father seemed more wholesome, more down-to-earth."
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

I find it very odd that you Bushites consider polls to be meaningless unless the results are in Bush's favor.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that poll.

The only positive result for Bush is, America is positive he's a liar. ;)

I find all polls not around election time meaningless.

not completely. polticians do pay attention to them to determine what policies they should support. It allows the public's voice to be heard, even between elections. But as to whether you can make any judgements on future elections from them... probably not. Especially when there isn't even a challenger, for those elections, yet.
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

If they were really that meaningless you wouldn't be posting in this thread. You just can't take the fact that Bush is unpopular and political baggage now for the Repubs. That said, 3 years with a lame duck at the helm isn't good for our country in any way. Other countries (like those in the recent South America summit) will start pushing us around.

Umm, I don't think Brazil or Paraguay are about to start pushing us around...

But Iraq was? Oooo... big bad scary Saddam!
 

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

I find it very odd that you Bushites consider polls to be meaningless unless the results are in Bush's favor.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that poll.

The only positive result for Bush is, America is positive he's a liar. ;)

I find all polls not around election time meaningless.

not completely. polticians do pay attention to them to determine what policies they should support. It allows the public's voice to be heard, even between elections. But as to whether you can make any judgements on future elections from them... probably not. Especially when there isn't even a challenger, for those elections, yet.


Agreed....However, polls like this do make a nice feel-good pill for some people.......
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

If they were really that meaningless you wouldn't be posting in this thread. You just can't take the fact that Bush is unpopular and political baggage now for the Repubs. That said, 3 years with a lame duck at the helm isn't good for our country in any way. Other countries (like those in the recent South America summit) will start pushing us around.

Umm, I don't think Brazil or Paraguay are about to start pushing us around...

But Iraq was? Oooo... big bad scary Saddam!

...How does Iraq and Saddam have ANY relation to what we're talking about? My god, you guys are like robots programmed to have to have Iraq in every post you make.
 

Starbuck1975

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The only things such polls demonstrate is that the NeoCon power base will slowly erode as the Republican Party begins to distance itself from the Bush Administration.

 

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

The only things such polls demonstrate is that the NeoCon power base will slowly erode
as the Republican Party begins to distance itself from the Bush Administration.

The problem with that is that the Bush Legacy will hang from the neck of the GOP like an albatross.
They made a choice that they cannot run far from - it will haunt them for a generation.

 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: ntdz
O.M.G.

Are we done posting these meaningless polls? Or are liberals gonna keep posting them thinking that it makes up for their loss in 04?

If they were really that meaningless you wouldn't be posting in this thread. You just can't take the fact that Bush is unpopular and political baggage now for the Repubs. That said, 3 years with a lame duck at the helm isn't good for our country in any way. Other countries (like those in the recent South America summit) will start pushing us around.

Umm, I don't think Brazil or Paraguay are about to start pushing us around...

That was Some progress Bush made down there. It was a disaster, and crazy Venezuela leader was allowed to take control of the summit. Bush looked weak compared to Chavez, and that's not what we need.
 

Steeplerot

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That is becasue Chavez makes bush look like a mental midget.

And how to you come to the conclusion he is "crazy" in any way?

He is so crazy he has pulled his country up into being the fastest growing economy in south america and given his people a standard of living never seen in recent history.

I guess educating and empowering a impoverished people is crazy..hmm
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Call me "undecided"
I can't determine whether he's a manipulative liar,
or if he's so stupid that he actually believes what he's saying.

I 2nd the motion.

 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Hacp
Clinton lied about sex. Who cares?

Can't believe Slick still has apologists.

He was the best President in the last 25 years, shouldn't surprise you that people defend him. Not that its hard to be the best President in the last 25 years, mind you.

But if you want criticism, I think Clinton royally fvcked up when he signed NAFTA, joined the WTO, and granted MFN for China.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
But if you want criticism, I think Clinton royally fvcked up when he signed NAFTA, joined the WTO, and granted MFN for China.

I actually consider NAFTA an accomplishment for Slick. Go figure...