Poll: Korean Summit vs JCPOA. Which will turn out better?

Which deal will be better

  • JCPOA

    Votes: 7 77.8%
  • Korean Summit Deal

    Votes: 2 22.2%

  • Total voters
    9

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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So when all is said and done will the world's self proclaimed greatest negotiator come away with a better deal then the Iran Nuclear Agreement, which Trump claims is the worst deal ever. Will Trump's greatest negotiating skills along with his admitted lack of preparation pay off? Will Obama's deal wind up better then Trump's??
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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The Korean Summit is already 100% confirmed to be a better deal than the JCPOA, because it wasn't signed by a black man and it has nothing to do with moose lambs.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Both appear fickle, even if the older one has more layers of paint over it.
Ultimately time will tell.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Given how this went the Iranians will probably want their own summit now.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Given how this went the Iranians will probably want their own summit now.
Interesting idea. In order to top his sell-out of South Korea, Trump would have to decide which to throw under the bus, Israel or the House of Saud.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Interesting idea. In order to top his sell-out of South Korea, Trump would have to decide which to throw under the bus, Israel or the House of Saud.

Like he cares. Trump's issue isn't Iran per se it's the deal Obama did with Iran (or more accurately Obama's involvement with anything on earth). I'd bet there is some serious beard stroking going on in Tehran right now while they appraise the odds of securing a better looser deal from this nincompoop. I mean it would be kind of darkly hilarious to see the mullahs throw him a China style reception in Tehran and him eat it up while the Saudis and Israel all have strokes.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
10,676
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Given how this went the Iranians will probably want their own summit now.

Yeah, wth are we with that now?

Trump had gone around breaking so many things at some point he needs to work on fixing things
 
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Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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It depends on which side Dr. Manhattan takes. Sorry, I'm evidently switching between realities these days because all of this nonsense can't happen in just one.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Given how this went the Iranians will probably want their own summit now.

Why would they? They just want us to honor the deal already made as well as they have. Given the list of demands from Pompeo they'll probably just grit their teeth, work with the rest of the 5+1 & hope for regime change in the US.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Why would they? They just want us to honor the deal already made as well as they have. Given the list of demands from Pompeo they'll probably just grit their teeth, work with the rest of the 5+1 & hope for regime change in the US.

Pompeo's list is meaningless. It's entirely conceivable, even highly probable, that Trump would be far more pliant if properly stroked.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Pompeo's list is meaningless. It's entirely conceivable, even highly probable, that Trump would be far more pliant if properly stroked.

Trump has already been properly stroked by Bibi & the Saudis.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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JCPOA had backing from 6 countries.

This has backing from 0 and is a photo op.
 

glenn1

Lifer
Sep 6, 2000
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On one hand you're negotiating with a regime that has already acquired nuclear weapons after breaking deals made by presidents of both parties but is basically contained geographically and can only commit nuisance acts (like having its missiles overfly Japan). On the other you're negotiating with a regime whose recent history is one of fighting proxy wars and attempting to exert regional dominance in a clash of religious ideology rivals which can turn into a "hot" war at any moment. It seems pretty clear that NK views nuclear weapons as far more key to its survival than does Iran, so it's not really surprising the negotiations won't be directly comparable with Iran more willing to deal away a pause in its nuclear development efforts in return for sanctions relief. If you look at deals (or potential deals) in terms of strictly "what does this do their nuclear weapon capability" it's easy to say the Iran deal will be "better." If you're looking in terms of regional stability and turning down the overall level of hostilities and risk of non-nuclear confrontation then NK might end up being the winner. There seems to be a window for a peace treaty to end the Korean War officially, some increased détente between North and South Korea, and other factors then the current efforts may be "better" long term. Trump gets basically zero credit for the SK-NK improved relations and other positive movement except for being recognized as a clown that neither NK nor SK wants to be the middleman, but if he gets "credit" for the mere act of being POTUS when a breakthrough happens then so be it. GHWB got credit for the Berlin Wall coming down when he had little/nothing to do with it but that's the way these things go sometimes.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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GHWB got credit for the Berlin Wall coming down when he had little/nothing to do with it but that's the way these things go sometimes.

I'd have to research the contemporary accounts but I thought Reagan, even though several months out of office, typically got this particular feather in his cap.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'd have to research the contemporary accounts but I thought Reagan, even though several months out of office, typically got this particular feather in his cap.

This is a new theory it seems. Two people get credit, Reagan and the then Pope. Nope that last part is not a joke.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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This is a new theory it seems. Two people get credit, Reagan and the then Pope. Nope that last part is not a joke.
The Pope theory is more plausible than the Reagan/Bush theory. Excluding Gorbachev from the mix seems bizarre but pundits got to pun.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Anyone want to weight in on what you think we have now.

Is the JCPOA better then whatever the thing Trump and Kim signed in Singapore?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Anyone want to weight in on what you think we have now.

Is the JCPOA better then whatever the thing Trump and Kim signed in Singapore?

This is essentially what trump and Kim signed:
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