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Poll: Java, whats your opinion on it?
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JetBlack69
Diamond Member
Where is the "Good (but I don't know any other language to compaire it to)" selection?
One time I applied for a job, and then I had a dream where I didn't get it because Java was required, and when I woke up I was convinced I didn't get the job. I later got a call confirming I didn't get the job, but apparently I had pulled that Java requirement out of thin air.
I dont really understand all the hype around it.. it may be functional, but I have yet to see a legitamate use for it. I'll I've seen is IRC client applets, interactive ad's (which suck btw), and games.
Wheres an actual use.. Somewhere I might need, or want to use it.. Now something like an ICQ/AIM/MSN applet would be nice.. There is lots of places you can get a computer with internet access, but may not have the rights to install a program. If I could just load a webpage, with a java-applet, and login, with my contact list appearing, within seconds, that would be great.. I guess Yahoo! Messenger does this, but no-one I know uses it..
Wheres an actual use.. Somewhere I might need, or want to use it.. Now something like an ICQ/AIM/MSN applet would be nice.. There is lots of places you can get a computer with internet access, but may not have the rights to install a program. If I could just load a webpage, with a java-applet, and login, with my contact list appearing, within seconds, that would be great.. I guess Yahoo! Messenger does this, but no-one I know uses it..
<< I dont really understand all the hype around it.. it may be functional, but I have yet to see a legitamate use for it. I'll I've seen is IRC client applets, interactive ad's (which suck btw), and games.
Wheres an actual use.. Somewhere I might need, or want to use it.. Now something like an ICQ/AIM/MSN applet would be nice.. There is lots of places you can get a computer with internet access, but may not have the rights to install a program. If I could just load a webpage, with a java-applet, and login, with my contact list appearing, within seconds, that would be great.. I guess Yahoo! Messenger does this, but no-one I know uses it.. >>
Hehe, you might wanna check this out then.
Java has ton's of uses. All of the major IDEs for java are written in Java and are thus available on all platforms, linux, windows and mac. Forte, netbeans, JBuilder are the ones I've used. Java2 Enterprise Edition is used (A LOT) in server environments, Servlets/JSP can replace ASP, PHP and CGI.
Any program which doesn't need to interface with the hardware can be written in Java, not only because it will be simplier, but it will also be cross platform off that bat.
coolVariable
Diamond Member
It#s slow slooooooow as hell
Any program which doesn't need to interface with the hardware can be written in Java, not only because it will be simplier, but it will also be cross platform off that bat.
my understanding is that this was the main selling point of java - cross platform compatibility. but i also understand that this is not always the case, that java is not as good as hyped.
my understanding is that this was the main selling point of java - cross platform compatibility. but i also understand that this is not always the case, that java is not as good as hyped.
<< Any program which doesn't need to interface with the hardware can be written in Java, not only because it will be simplier, but it will also be cross platform off that bat.
my understanding is that this was the main selling point of java - cross platform compatibility. but i also understand that this is not always the case, that java is not as good as hyped. >>
Like I said, I'm jsut a begginer, but I am 100% sure that drivers for a video card cannot be written in Java, that is what I meant by directly interfacing with the hardware.
Java was threaten by M$, because they started putting their own extensions so it would work only on Windows, which made Sun sue M$. As long as the VM conforms to Sun's specs, all applets/apps will run the same on any OS.
I think Descates is the resident Java expert.....he'll have all your answers.
Whitecloak
Diamond Member
Java is my favorite programming language 🙂
Java was threaten by M$, because they started putting their own extensions so it would work only on Windows, which made Sun sue M$. As long as the VM conforms to Sun's specs, all applets/apps will run the same on any OS.
yes, this is what i was talking about actually. but now sun is in kind of a bind, because microsoft was like "okay, have it your way" and took it out of their browser completely (you still have the option of installing it if you do a custom installation). which means that the average user probably isn't going to install it. and if they don't install it, they don't have it, they can't run the programs.
yes, this is what i was talking about actually. but now sun is in kind of a bind, because microsoft was like "okay, have it your way" and took it out of their browser completely (you still have the option of installing it if you do a custom installation). which means that the average user probably isn't going to install it. and if they don't install it, they don't have it, they can't run the programs.
<< yes, this is what i was talking about actually. but now sun is in kind of a bind, because microsoft was like "okay, have it your way" and took it out of their browser completely (you still have the option of installing it if you do a custom installation). which means that the average user probably isn't going to install it. and if they don't install it, they don't have it, they can't run the programs. >>
True, but Sun just has to ask Dell, Compaq and a few other comp makers to put Java2 Runtime, and the Java2 plugin on computers, and it will be better off, since even if M$ was to continue putting on java, it would have been java 1.1, not java2, which is SO much better (and most people dont know it even exists...)
It should be easier to do now that M$ cant force OEMs to sign outrageous contracts....
PrincessGuard
Golden Member
I prefer not to use the MS JVM since it is so far outdated (1.1.3, I believe). So, as a programmer, I appreciated the fact that MS took finally removed it.
But you're right in that Sun sort of screwed themselves. The JRE is around 5MB, something that 56K users may not be very appreciative of.
But you're right in that Sun sort of screwed themselves. The JRE is around 5MB, something that 56K users may not be very appreciative of.
True, but Sun just has to ask Dell, Compaq and a few other comp makers to put Java2 Runtime, and the Java2 plugin on computers, and it will be better off, since even if M$ was to continue putting on java, it would have been java 1.1, not java2, which is SO much better (and most people dont know it even exists...)
eh, i still say they screwed themselves over. they were hoping that ms would continue to include jvm, but an unaltered version, but i really think ms got the better of them. i haven't heard anything about dell, compaq, etc, putting jvm on the computers.
eh, i still say they screwed themselves over. they were hoping that ms would continue to include jvm, but an unaltered version, but i really think ms got the better of them. i haven't heard anything about dell, compaq, etc, putting jvm on the computers.