[POLL]It's Time to Reduce the Tangle of Wires We Use for Gadgets

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It's Time to Reduce the Tangle of Wires We Use for Gadgets

By WALTER S. MOSSBERG, The Wall Street Journal

I was interviewing Howard Stringer, the CEO of Sony, on stage at The Wall Street Journal's "D: All Things Digital" conference a few weeks ago, when domestic guru Martha Stewart rose to ask a question. Dipping into a shopping bag full of charger cords and electrical adapters for the electronic devices she carries -- laptop, cellphone, digital camera, BlackBerry -- Ms. Stewart asked Mr. Stringer why each device requires a different, and incompatible, charger.

"Why can't this thing be this thing?" she asked, holding up two identical-looking, but very different, charger cables. The audience of high-tech executives, identifying with her complaint, applauded.

Mr. Stringer, to his credit, said he, too, sometimes felt he was drowning in cables. He said he had been unable to locate some medication in his briefcase on his flight to the conference because the pills were buried under a rat's nest of cables and adapters for his various Sony gadgets. "So, I'm my own victim," he said. "I think it's a fair question."

He then ventured a guess as to why Sony and others sell so many different chargers and adapters: "I have a sneaking suspicion it's because the last three years, the most profitable business at Sony was the component division," which makes such accessories. When the crowd laughed, he said: "I'm serious."

The conversation led me to look at the tangled collection of cables and chargers -- and spare batteries -- I lug around everywhere, and ask why there isn't much more standardization of these things. We are decades into the portable-electronics revolution. These aren't novel devices anymore. Why aren't there widely observed industry standards for the batteries and electrical chargers for these gadgets?

The problem is threefold. First, batteries, unlike in many analog devices, aren't held to common standards and aren't interchangeable. Next, electrical adapters and charger cables vary widely. Last, plugs and sockets for the cables, unlike those for electric appliances or phones, aren't universal.

Besides Mr. Stringer's answer that there are big profits in selling cables and batteries, with margins that can exceed those of the gadgets they power, there is another major reason. Some companies see the size, shape and weight of their batteries and chargers as a competitive design advantage.

Motorola's superslim Razr phone wouldn't be as svelte if it used the same battery as a conventional phone. Lenovo's slender electrical adapters are a plus for its ThinkPad laptops over the bulkier ones of its competitors. The sleek laptops from makers like Sony and Apple depend on special battery designs.

But the profusion of batteries and adapters goes well beyond a few extra-cool models. Dell's Web site lists 57 different power adapters for its laptops and 61 different laptop batteries. Most of these laptops are unremarkable commodity models, similar to many competitive machines.

The Nokia Web site lists pages of batteries and adapters for its cellphones. Some are so expensive that Nokia posts a prominent notice saying, "a new Nokia phone may cost you less than a battery, after rebates, with a new wireless-service plan."

It seems to me that the majority of common laptops, cameras and phones could evolve toward using a few standard battery and charger designs that could be made by third-party battery companies and sold at drugstores. I'm talking about the large category of devices that aren't aimed at the small, high-end sliver of the market willing to pay more for ultraslim or unusual designs. Those elite models might still use special batteries and chargers, but why can't 80% of these things use standard parts?

And there's no reason at all I can discern, other than greed or stubbornness, why even different chargers and adapters can't use the same connectors or jacks. Last week, my wife bought a new Sprint Samsung phone to replace one only a couple of years old. The salesman told her the new phone would work with her existing travel and car chargers. But when she opened the box, she discovered it had an entirely different connector for the charger, and that she'd have to buy new ones.

Similarly, I recently replaced my old PowerBook laptop from Apple with a new MacBook Pro model. It uses a totally different charger with a new magnetic connector that's supposed to break away when you trip over the power cord, instead of pulling the laptop onto the floor. It's a good idea, but not so valuable -- for me, at least -- as to be worth tossing out the several spare Apple laptop chargers I had bought for travel and for various locations around the house. New spare chargers cost $79 each.

There are some third-party products, like Mobility Electronics' iGo, that function as universal chargers and power adapters for all of your gadgets. They have multiple cables and accept a variety of tips that fit different connectors. But the tips for your particular device can be hard to find and easy to lose.

We need fewer types of connectors, cables and batteries, not more accessories to buy.

Right on, Martha.

 

mugs

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RE: cables - those big bricks that most cords for electronics have covert from AC to DC and change the voltage. To standardized the cords, everything in the brick would have to go into the electronic device, and people like their stuff to be small. Otherwise you could plug a cord with the wrong voltage into your electronic device.

People are suckers for paying big bucks for a first-party power cord. Same with batteries, you can get a higher capacity third party battery for less than an OEM battery.
 

dug777

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I like having multiple chargers & cables ;)

besides, mugs makes an excellent point.
 

drinkmorejava

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I love how I'm still using a charger from an IBM 600X laptop on my t60, that's like what, 10 years difference.
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: mugs
RE: cables - those big bricks that most cords for electronics have covert from AC to DC and change the voltage. To standardized the cords, everything in the brick would have to go into the electronic device, and people like their stuff to be small. Otherwise you could plug a cord with the wrong voltage into your electronic device.

People are suckers for paying big bucks for a first-party power cord. Same with batteries, you can get a higher capacity third party battery for less than an OEM battery.

Nah... just standardize the actual plugs based on the power output. The converters don't really have anything to do with it.
 

Kelemvor

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They make brick things that you can use a switch to set what voltage you want it to convert to. DOn't know why they can't do that with other things. Problem is the connectors are all different sizes too.

But yeah it'd be great if everything was the same.
 

EyeMWing

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Then how do we deal with multivoltage devices? There are just infinitely too many combinations to really even bother.
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Then how do we deal with multivoltage devices? There are just infinitely too many combinations to really even bother.

How are they dealt with now?
 

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They need something called iGo or iPower or something like that. Basically you buy the charger, and can buy hundreds of charger tips that charge cellphones, computers, mp3 players, pdas, etc. My Dad has this product and it helps cut down on the cables.
 

EyeMWing

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And frankly, I don't understand why anyone would need to travel with more than approximately 4 AC adapters.

Laptop
Cell phone
PDA
MP3 player

I really don't see any other portable devices. Period.

And then if you wanted to be real impressive, cell phones, PDAs and MP3 players can now almost all charge off USB. So you only really need one, and a couple of USB cables (which are much less bulky than AC adapters)
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
And frankly, I don't understand why anyone would need to travel with more than approximately 4 AC adapters.

Laptop
Cell phone
PDA
MP3 player

I really don't see any other portable devices. Period.

DS/PSP
Electric Razors

I can likely think of others.


 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Then how do we deal with multivoltage devices? There are just infinitely too many combinations to really even bother.

How are they dealt with now?

By having multiple leads in the same connector - some of them are rather impressive and look a hell of a lot like a PS/2 connector. If you put all that into one adapter, you'd have to have every device having this BIG freaking connector, and you'd have to devote a lot of cost and weight to a bunch of voltage outputs that a lot of people aren't going to even need (but a lot of people will)
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
And frankly, I don't understand why anyone would need to travel with more than approximately 4 AC adapters.

Laptop
Cell phone
PDA
MP3 player

I really don't see any other portable devices. Period.

DS/PSP
Electric Razors

I can likely think of others.

Didn't think of portable games. So you need two adapters now. And if you use an electric razor, you need to grow some balls. Carrying a third adapter will help that.
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Then how do we deal with multivoltage devices? There are just infinitely too many combinations to really even bother.

How are they dealt with now?

By having multiple leads in the same connector - some of them are rather impressive and look a hell of a lot like a PS/2 connector. If you put all that into one adapter, you'd have to have every device having this BIG freaking connector, and you'd have to devote a lot of cost and weight to a bunch of voltage outputs that a lot of people aren't going to even need (but a lot of people will)

Hmmm... it seems to me that devices like this would be rather uncommon when dealing with consumer products. I can't ever recall owning a device like this. I think the real point here is that it would be nice if common devices like cell phones, portable game systems, electric razors, etc... had some sort of standardized plugs.
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
And frankly, I don't understand why anyone would need to travel with more than approximately 4 AC adapters.

Laptop
Cell phone
PDA
MP3 player

I really don't see any other portable devices. Period.

DS/PSP
Electric Razors

I can likely think of others.

Didn't think of portable games. So you need two adapters now. And if you use an electric razor, you need to grow some balls. Carrying a third adapter will help that.

LOL... I've used normal razors before but they are just too much of a hassle and tend to irritate my skin. With an electric I can just start using it with no need for any shaving cream or anything else.

 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Then how do we deal with multivoltage devices? There are just infinitely too many combinations to really even bother.

How are they dealt with now?

By having multiple leads in the same connector - some of them are rather impressive and look a hell of a lot like a PS/2 connector. If you put all that into one adapter, you'd have to have every device having this BIG freaking connector, and you'd have to devote a lot of cost and weight to a bunch of voltage outputs that a lot of people aren't going to even need (but a lot of people will)

Hmmm... it seems to me that devices like this would be rather uncommon when dealing with consumer products. I can't ever recall owning a device like this. I think the real point here is that it would be nice if common devices like cell phones, portable game systems, electric razors, etc... had some sort of standardized plugs.

I suppose my sense is a little distorted, because I deal with a lot of really odd sh!t. But look at any of a billion mobile phones. If you look carefully, you'll discover that they're multivoltage adapters. A lot of the bigger laptops are multivoltage (and have the huge connectors as I described initially). Hell, even Dell commodity laptops are multivoltage. Stuff like this really complicates things.
 

ForumMaster

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should the connectors and chargers be standarized? yes. will it happen? i doubt it. the chargers usually just transform from AC to DC as Mugs said. but for example, i have the Creative Inspiron 2500 2.1 speaker system. the adaptor was huge and heavy. when i came back to israel where there are different power sockets, i had to use a convertor. then i found this much smaller and lighter adaptor that let's me change voltage and polarity. i use it now and it's much better. why can't we have things like that?
 

Lonyo

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Motherboard and case makers haven't managed to standardise their connectors yet, so what makes you think a wider industry would ever manage? :(
 

Minerva

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All have different "wall wart" thingies:

GPS
EPIRB
UHF
VHF
SSB
Weather WRX
Cell
Iridium phone
Blackberry/Treo/Sidekick
Anemometer
Barometer
Altimeter
Various Free Cell chargers (Li-Ion. nimh. SLPb)
Albatross
Vibrating "pleasure" devices (bananna)
Notebook PC's
Wet/dry shaver
USB 2.0 enclosures for backed up dvd drives
XM radio
skype phone charger
USB hub
shoe polisher
nail polish dryer fan
soldering iron
minature handie talkies (GMRS)
Electric Toothbrush
Portable firewall
Cisco 54G access point
MOTU recorder when using notebook as 1394 four pin needs phantom power
Nady microphone
Portable searchlight (Maxabeam HID)
Megaphone for yelling at kids torturing hermit crabs

I'm probably forgetting a few too.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Motherboard and case makers haven't managed to standardise their connectors yet, so what makes you think a wider industry would ever manage? :(

You mean the backplane connectors?

A MAJOR part of the ATX standard is that the backplane can be ANYTHING the motherboard manufacturer wants it to be to fit their specific needs. There are two reference designs (one with USB, one without), and you always get one of those with the chassis.

The ATX standard is maintained by Intel. Their failure to update the reference backplane designs is not the fault of the motherboard and chassis manufacturers. Intel is too busy jerking off to the failure that is BTX.
 

JinLien

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: mugs
RE: cables - those big bricks that most cords for electronics have covert from AC to DC and change the voltage. To standardized the cords, everything in the brick would have to go into the electronic device, and people like their stuff to be small. Otherwise you could plug a cord with the wrong voltage into your electronic device.

People are suckers for paying big bucks for a first-party power cord. Same with batteries, you can get a higher capacity third party battery for less than an OEM battery.

Nah... just standardize the actual plugs based on the power output. The converters don't really have anything to do with it.
I don't think it is that hard for electronic companies making all 1 standard plug-in because power tools have single universal charger at 7.2-18V.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: Minerva
All have different "wall wart" thingies:

GPS
EPIRB
UHF
VHF
SSB
Weather WRX
Cell
Iridium phone
Blackberry/Treo/Sidekick
Anemometer
Barometer
Altimeter
Various Free Cell chargers (Li-Ion. nimh. SLPb)
Albatross
Vibrating "pleasure" devices (bananna)
Notebook PC's
Wet/dry shaver
USB 2.0 enclosures for backed up dvd drives
XM radio
skype phone charger
USB hub
shoe polisher
nail polish dryer fan
soldering iron
minature handie talkies (GMRS)
Electric Toothbrush
Portable firewall
Cisco 54G access point
MOTU recorder when using notebook as 1394 four pin needs phantom power
Nady microphone
Portable searchlight (Maxabeam HID)
Megaphone for yelling at kids torturing hermit crabs

I'm probably forgetting a few too.

And what advantage would standardizing on most of those items be? You put them in one place and leave them there and many, many of them need to be plugged in all at once.

The advantage for standardization is travel.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: JinLien
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: mugs
RE: cables - those big bricks that most cords for electronics have covert from AC to DC and change the voltage. To standardized the cords, everything in the brick would have to go into the electronic device, and people like their stuff to be small. Otherwise you could plug a cord with the wrong voltage into your electronic device.

People are suckers for paying big bucks for a first-party power cord. Same with batteries, you can get a higher capacity third party battery for less than an OEM battery.

Nah... just standardize the actual plugs based on the power output. The converters don't really have anything to do with it.
I don't think it is that hard for electronic companies making all 1 standard plug-in because power tools have single universal charger at 7.2-18V.

Power tools are electric motors and huge heavy-duty batteries. Electronics are a whole different world - motors and heavy batteries don't give a crap what you do to them. Electronics will fail if you look at them funny.
 

Minerva

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The list is a travel list. :Q

Inductive coupling FOR THE WIN. :p

Imagine a mat that plugs into the wall. Say it has a capacity of 1100 watts. Everything runs/charges/etc fine as long as all the devices you sit on the mat don't demand more than 1100W. Bigger mats would have bigger capacity. Once they come up with a standard all the mfr's need to follow. It's simple yet effective. :)

Of course all the hippies that believe cellphones will give you tumors and electric blankets will make your winkie fall off will be terrified of it, but so what? ;)
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: Minerva
The list is a travel list. :Q

Inductive coupling FOR THE WIN. :p

Imagine a mat that plugs into the wall. Say it has a capacity of 1100 watts. Everything runs/charges/etc fine as long as all the devices you sit on the mat don't demand more than 1100W. Bigger mats would have bigger capacity. Once they come up with a standard all the mfr's need to follow. It's simple yet effective. :)

Of course all the hippies that believe cellphones will give you tumors and electric blankets will make your winkie fall off will be terrified of it, but so what? ;)

So. You're telling me you travel with MY ENTIRE OFFICE? That's kind of hard to believe.