Poll: Is Trump evil?

[HomerJS]

Keeping this simple. Here is the dictionary definition of evil. Judge for yourself based on the definition. Some people will call this silly but IMO Trump fits 90% of these descriptors.

adjective
adjective: evil

1. 1.
   profoundly immoral and wicked.
   "his evil deeds"
   synonyms:wicked, bad, wrong, morally wrong, wrongful, immoral, sinful, ungodly, unholy, foul, vile, base, ignoble, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, degenerate, villainous, nefarious, sinister, vicious, malicious, malevolent, demonic, devilish, diabolic, diabolical, fiendish, dark, black-hearted; More
   monstrous, shocking, despicable, atrocious, heinous, odious, contemptible, horrible, execrable;
   informallowdown, stinking, dirty, shady, warped, bent, crooked;
   archaicdastardly, black;
   rareegregious, flagitious, peccable
   "an evil deed"
   
   antonyms:good, virtuous
   • (of a force or spirit) embodying or associated with the forces of the devil.
     "we were driven out of the house by an evil spirit"
   • harmful or tending to harm.
     "stories about the evil effects of television on children make good copy"
     synonyms:harmful, hurtful, injurious, detrimental, deleterious, inimical, bad, mischievous, pernicious, malignant, malign, baleful, venomous, noxious, poisonous; More
     corrupting, subversive;
     calamitous, disastrous, destructive, ruinous;
     literarymalefic, maleficent;
     rareprejudicious
     "the evil influence of society"
     unlucky, unfortunate, unfavorable, adverse, unhappy, disastrous, catastrophic, ruinous, calamitous, unpropitious, inauspicious, dire, woeful
     "she helped those who had fallen on evil times"

 

[Commodus]

I'd say so, though I don't want to be hyperbolic. Trump's problem is that he is the classic narcissist -- he genuinely only cares about himself, and he's willing to do whatever he thinks will boost his ego, power and wealth. And his particular brand of narcissism feeds directly into that US myth of the self-made man, which is part of why so many have been suckered into becoming his devotees.

 

[Greenman]

Another "tell me what I want to hear" thread.
Do you really think there is going to be any surprise here? We both know what the result will be, why bother?

 

[kage69]

I used to think it was just greed on steroids. The title of narcissist is accurate, I think everyone knows that. The more I read into what kind of business person he was though, how he actively, from the get go, planned to stiff contractors and then rejoiced in glee when he did so successfully. Just, wow. Families got hurt, and he laughed. He gave Atlantic City the bird and left with millions, laughed about that too. Meals on Wheels? lulz.

He met a grieving Gold Star widow, kids in tow, and told her 'Sorry about whatshisname, but he knew what he signed up for.' Now look at what he's done on the border. Yeah. This fucker is evil.

 

[glenn1]

I don’t think “evil” is quite the correct word. If there was a Dungeons and Dragons character alignment for him it would be something like “Chaotic Psychopathic” and his character class would be Barbarian.

 

[Bitek]

I would have said this was hyperbolic in the past, but the wonton selfishness and utter lack of care for others puts it over the top for me.

Case in point, the migrant crisis, seperation of infants and toddlers from their parents, and the serious number of dead children due to his policies.

He is wrecking unspeakable damage to these families that will be felt for a long time, and I don't think he gives it any care other than he thinks it's good for his image and grasp on power.

I don't know how many other words you would use. Wicked is probably the best.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

For your musical enjoyment

 

[trenchfoot]

Trump is the quintessential example of evil in the sense that he truly does not care about the health and welfare of the people he is supposedly the leader of. Instead, his agenda as POTUS is identical to the agenda and style of the greed driven, self-enriching, celebrity status seeking narcissist that he truly is and will forever be.

If he truly cared for the average American, he would have pushed hard for gov't programs that exemplified a desire to do so. Rather, he and his Repub apparatchiks highest priority upon taking control of the gov't was to give himself and the aristocrat class of the nation the biggest tax cuts they could get away with whilst hammering away at a health care program that was specifically targeted at the working class and the poor without offering a better plan to replace it.

He has crippled the processes of gov't and the Rule of Law by ruthlessly eliminating any challenge to his incompetence and pursuit of personal interests within his administration thus ensuring himself a clear path for ruling as any dictatorship would aspire to whilst ignoring the damage and danger he is causing the nation.

His drastic sense of self preservation has superseded his duty to the nation of which he swore to. Well, that's just something else that he promised but will never deliver on.

He will never understand that when he got hired for the job, he worked for the people of the nation and not anything like things were when he was running that little empire of his where breaking laws and making personal deals with foreign adversaries was just fine and dandy because privileges of the rich gave him the right to do so.

 

[nOOky]

I voted no because I don't think he's inherently evil, I just think he's a classic narcissist. Any evil intent is secondary to his goal of getting other people to do his dirty work for him, and if people go down for him well they should have tried harder not to suck.

How many Trumps does it take to screw in a light bulb? Just one, he holds the light bulb and the world revolves around him.

 

[cytg111]

Is a narcissistic sociopath evil?

https://www.businessinsider.com/hare-psychopath-checklist-test-sociopath-2016-11

You be the judge

 

[zinfamous]

evil, brainless, and incurious. Probably the worst combination.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Evil is as evil does.

 

[Perknose]

Hanna Arendt, who coined the term "the banality of evil" had a lot to say on the subject of "evil" and totalitarianism.

Decades before Trump, she captured the phenomenon of the success of Trump's constant lying and why his followers happily accept them quite perfectly:

“Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow.

The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.”

“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.”

“Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”

“True goal of totalitarian propaganda is not persuasion, but organization of the polity. ... What convinces masses are not facts, and not even invented facts, but only the consistency of the system of which they are presumably part.”

“The outstanding negative quality of the totalitarian elite is that it never stops to think about the world as it really is and never compares the lies with reality.”

Who Trump is, per Arendt:

“the greatest evil perpetrated is the evil committed by nobodies, that is, by human beings who refuse to be persons”

Our dilemma in trying to confront him:

"It is indeed my opinion now that evil is never “radical,” that it is only extreme, and that it possesses neither depth nor any demonic dimension. It can overgrow and lay waste the whole world precisely because it spreads like a fungus on the surface.

It [evil] is “thought-defying,” as I said, because thought tries to reach some depth, to go to the roots, and the moment it concerns itself with evil, it is frustrated because there is nothing. That is its “banality.” Only the good has depth that can be radical."

Cliffs:
Trump is banal.
Trump is a nobody.
So, in this sense, yes, Trump is evil.

 

[sandorski]

Another "tell me what I want to hear" thread.
Do you really think there is going to be any surprise here? We both know what the result will be, why bother?

For Fairness:

Trump is awesome, MAGA!

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

He's not smart enough to be evil.

 

[darkswordsman17]

OP, keep this shit to a single thread. Its bad enough we get the conservative dipshits mucking up shit with their concern trolling. We really don't need 100 of your non-specific Turmp threads.

I'm really baffled as you went out of your way to aggregate the stories about non-white people being harassed and treated differently into a single thread, but now you're making a new "Is Turmp ____?" thread like every day.

He's not smart enough to be evil.

I could not disagree more. I think he's evil multiple ways. He's very conscious of a healthy amount of stuff he does being considered evil, but he's also subconsciously evil (basically he does things he doesn't even notice are evil, because they're just his nature, like how his go to response to anything that isn't praise is basically to lash out and insult or bully people), and also is naively evil (he does evil things because he isn't aware of the evil they do, stuff like the tax cuts - although I think that is a mix of all 3, he knows they hurt some people and doesn't care, but he doesn't understand how damaging they actually are, but its his nature to do what would benefit him and his friends the most).

There's been plenty of serial killers that were not very intelligent but knew what they were doing and knew it was wrong. And there's a lot of hateful stupid people, that hate the world because they're stupid, and have used that as justification to commit evil acts.

 

[DrDoug]

Where's the "HELL YES!" option? I had to settle for yes, which lacks emphasis.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

OP, keep this shit to a single thread. Its bad enough we get the conservative dipshits mucking up shit with their concern trolling. We really don't need 100 of your non-specific Turmp threads.

I'm really baffled as you went out of your way to aggregate the stories about non-white people being harassed and treated differently into a single thread, but now you're making a new "Is Turmp ____?" thread like every day.



I could not disagree more. I think he's evil multiple ways. He's very conscious of a healthy amount of stuff he does being considered evil, but he's also subconsciously evil (basically he does things he doesn't even notice are evil, because they're just his nature, like how his go to response to anything that isn't praise is basically to lash out and insult or bully people), and also is naively evil (he does evil things because he isn't aware of the evil they do, stuff like the tax cuts - although I think that is a mix of all 3, he knows they hurt some people and doesn't care, but he doesn't understand how damaging they actually are, but its his nature to do what would benefit him and his friends the most).

There's been plenty of serial killers that were not very intelligent but knew what they were doing and knew it was wrong. And there's a lot of hateful stupid people, that hate the world because they're stupid, and have used that as justification to commit evil acts.

Cunning != intelligent

 

[Starbuck1975]

Another "tell me what I want to hear" thread.
Do you really think there is going to be any surprise here? We both know what the result will be, why bother?

It’s their woobie. I like where @glenn1 is going, we should do it by D&D alignment and class.

Trump is a chaotic evil rogue

 

[HomerJS]

Another "tell me what I want to hear" thread.
Do you really think there is going to be any surprise here? We both know what the result will be, why bother?

This is a chance not just to spout off an opinion but show your work. Anyone with an opinion should be able to justify it.

 

[Greenman]

This is a chance not just to spout off an opinion but show your work. Anyone with an opinion should be able to justify it.

Go to the top of the page, find the button that says "view results", click on it. There is the justification for my opinion.
To be accurate, it wasn't really an opinion, it was a prediction, actually a certainty. You get the idea.

 

[Perknose]

[QUOTE="Greenman, post: 39846682, member: 2751We both know what the result will be, why bother?[/QUOTE]

To shove the result in the face of those, like you, who are secretly upset by the truth about your Dear Donny.

Else, why would you have been moved, not to answer the question, but complain about it.

In your own words, why bother?

 

[cytg111]

It’s their woobie. I like where @glenn1 is going, we should do it by D&D alignment and class.

Trump is a chaotic evil rogue

Trump would be a Bard. A one eyed Bard. A one eyed retarded Bard.. in the land of the retarded blind.
Perpetually spinning russian folk song out of tune.

 

[zinfamous]

Hanna Arendt, who coined the term "the banality of evil" had a lot to say on the subject of "evil" and totalitarianism.

Decades before Trump, she captured the phenomenon of the success of Trump's constant lying and why his followers happily accept them quite perfectly:











Who Trump is, per Arendt:



Our dilemma in trying to confront him:



Cliffs:
Trump is banal.
Trump is a nobody.
So, in this sense, yes, Trump is evil.

The day after the inauguration, when those quislings brought out those photos of the inauguration and wasted this country's time creating and defending an obvious lie about crowd sizes, to serve no other purpose than to test the public's willingness to accept the New Totalitarian Normal, is the day this rat fucker should have been impeached.

And the vast majority of us understood that. But rather than pass the test, a swelling mass of compromised individuals instead decided to diagnose rational observation as something that they now called "TDS": the inarguable projection of their own personal weakness onto others.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Trump would be a Bard. A one eyed Bard. A one eyed retarded Bard.. in the land of the retarded blind.
Perpetually spinning russian folk song out of tune.

A bard is a jack of all trades and has intimate knowledge that gives his party a buff against certain enemies.

Rogues act out of self-interest using deception.