Poll: Is The War now Lost ?
- Thread starter NightCrawler
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What the heck is this? 2 polls in one thread? Is this something that came with the FUBAR upgrade? 
dahunan
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- Jan 10, 2002
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This only destroys our credibility even further in the eyes of ALL Arabs/Muslims/MiddleEasterners
I know it makes me seriously begin to wonder how the prisoners are treated at Guantanamo Bay...
I also think this abuse MUCH more widespread and will leak out soon and make things even worse.
BUT.. i have to agree with Rumsfeld that it does not compare to what Saddam did to his peoples.. Saddam killed FAR more and on a very consistent basis..
I know it makes me seriously begin to wonder how the prisoners are treated at Guantanamo Bay...
I also think this abuse MUCH more widespread and will leak out soon and make things even worse.
BUT.. i have to agree with Rumsfeld that it does not compare to what Saddam did to his peoples.. Saddam killed FAR more and on a very consistent basis..
CaptnKirk
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- Jul 25, 2002
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No change in interrogation techniques in 35 years.
De-humanatize those incarcerated, get them to talk.
Most of what you get is usless babble, they will offer anything that they presume you want to hear.
In 'Nam they would take them airborne in helicoptors, and the first one that had no answers -
or the wrong answers - got to walk home. The next would usually find more things to talk about,
not necessacarily the truth or facts, but more free with expression. Evem then there came an end to
the flow of information, so that person also got to walk home, little more intimidation to the next
candidate for questioning, and then the next. Helicopter eventually would land with just the flight crew and the interrogator. This was more 'humane' than the methods used by the ROK Tiger group.
Korean Tigers had a method of removing the skin from the waist down that releived the prisoner of
information, and eventually their life.
Gee, maybe there was a real reason that Kerry went before congress and explained what he saw.
Who would have thought that the Military wouldn't treat the Iraqi prisoners with Cheesecake,
and Ice Cream while catering to their every whim.
De-humanatize those incarcerated, get them to talk.
Most of what you get is usless babble, they will offer anything that they presume you want to hear.
In 'Nam they would take them airborne in helicoptors, and the first one that had no answers -
or the wrong answers - got to walk home. The next would usually find more things to talk about,
not necessacarily the truth or facts, but more free with expression. Evem then there came an end to
the flow of information, so that person also got to walk home, little more intimidation to the next
candidate for questioning, and then the next. Helicopter eventually would land with just the flight crew and the interrogator. This was more 'humane' than the methods used by the ROK Tiger group.
Korean Tigers had a method of removing the skin from the waist down that releived the prisoner of
information, and eventually their life.
Gee, maybe there was a real reason that Kerry went before congress and explained what he saw.
Who would have thought that the Military wouldn't treat the Iraqi prisoners with Cheesecake,
and Ice Cream while catering to their every whim.
given the hyperbole, cynicism, and insane conspiracy theories the arab press floats as a regular diet for their readers, and the fact many of these readers love to believe and read ever more of this nonsense, is symptomatic of the fact they don't have a legitimate say in their own gov'ts and are therefore liable to imagine that corporate ghosts, cia bogeymen, and shady characters are working behind the scenes to move their lives in ways they'll only learn about after-the-fact.
american olicy makers should continue to press their objectives, hold deadlines, and punish worng-doers, and let the results stand alone. i don't have any fear that the iraqi people will see a transition to an indirect democracy in the very near future, and that in itself will serve as reason enough to applaud the work being done, and will serve to justify this 'moral high-ground' thing.
american olicy makers should continue to press their objectives, hold deadlines, and punish worng-doers, and let the results stand alone. i don't have any fear that the iraqi people will see a transition to an indirect democracy in the very near future, and that in itself will serve as reason enough to applaud the work being done, and will serve to justify this 'moral high-ground' thing.
Ah, we have a player betting on an "indirect democracy". Let's see, that would be 200,000 U.S. troops running the country with a few mullahs getting to decide who gets to be dog catcher? Yeah, that'll be the tonic the Arabs need to swallow....
-Robert
-Robert
for some its better to check the news and follow the efforts towards the eventual transition, for others its easier and makes for much better sport to hope suicide bombers aren't lagging in the application of their honest beliefs and that these insurgents never slack in making more bloody noise than their numbers could ever represent. each his own then.
Given the thousands of prisoners, most are people who don't know anything, certainly not where the nonexistent WMDs are.
IMHO most of these guys, like those caged in Gitmo, are the one's who didn't hear correctly "the Americans are here, run for your life!", or the slow runners.
The moral high ground can be easily regained by liberating another country, say Sudan, where there's no oil.
IMHO most of these guys, like those caged in Gitmo, are the one's who didn't hear correctly "the Americans are here, run for your life!", or the slow runners.
The moral high ground can be easily regained by liberating another country, say Sudan, where there's no oil.
why do you care ? you should be able to write the typical justification for anyone who answers 'no' regardless. surprising as this may be, this board is filled with a number of heartless souls.
They do have oil in Sudan! Thanks nutxo. Could they then replace Iraq in the Axis of Evil?
Or, pick from:
Haiti (although I disagree with maddogchen on liberation, believe they need an honest administration that will build roads, etc., and let those hard working people improve their life)
Vietnam (maybe not)
Cuba
Burma
N Korea (nukes)
Cote d'Ivoire (hmm, have diamonds)
Congo
Palestine
Ridding the world from evil could take a while.
Or, pick from:
Haiti (although I disagree with maddogchen on liberation, believe they need an honest administration that will build roads, etc., and let those hard working people improve their life)
Vietnam (maybe not)
Cuba
Burma
N Korea (nukes)
Cote d'Ivoire (hmm, have diamonds)
Congo
Palestine
Ridding the world from evil could take a while.
I voted no on #2, because I'm not ashamed. Angry, disgusted, not ashamed. Why should I feel shame for the actions of others?
sMiLeYz
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Transmission third world war third round
A decade of the weapon of sound above ground
No shelter if youre looking for shade
I lick shots at the brutal charade
As the polls close like a casket
On truth devoured
Silent play in the shadow of power
A spectacle monopolized
The cameras eyes on choice disguised
Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil?
Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?
Yes a spectacle monopolized
They hold the reins, stole your eyes
All the fistagons the bullets and bombs
Who stuff the banks
Who staff the party ranks
More for Gore or the son of a drug lord
None of the above fvck it cut the cord
-Guerilla Radio by RATM
A decade of the weapon of sound above ground
No shelter if youre looking for shade
I lick shots at the brutal charade
As the polls close like a casket
On truth devoured
Silent play in the shadow of power
A spectacle monopolized
The cameras eyes on choice disguised
Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil?
Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?
Yes a spectacle monopolized
They hold the reins, stole your eyes
All the fistagons the bullets and bombs
Who stuff the banks
Who staff the party ranks
More for Gore or the son of a drug lord
None of the above fvck it cut the cord
-Guerilla Radio by RATM
You know it is customary to provide a link when talking about some obtuse topic. This is rather annoying since none of the news sites seem to have info about it.
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