poll, is the GT-R a supercar in ur opinion?

[Don Vito Corleone]

I say yes. The fact that the GT-R is presumably reliable and made by Nissan isn't enough to take the supercar label away, in light of the fact that it will accelerate to 60 in 3.3 seconds. It's definitely not a thing of great beauty, but to me its ugliness makes it just that much more supercar-ish.

 

[Pariah]

thanks for the name calling personal attack there richUK.

show me what i said that classifies me an idiot.

Probably the part where you basically denied the existence of anything outside the US. No, a 286HP US Evo is not going to keep up with a GT-R, but in the UK, where I'm guessing RichUK is from, there is a 400HP Evo (FQ400). That car will very likely not only keep up with a GT-R on the track, but beat it in the corners as well. The GT-R will have the higher top speed (Evo is a rally car which has no need for 200 MPH), but that's about the most worthless measure of a car's performace.

Just as performance alone doesn't make one a supercar, neither does price. Of course a Rolls Royce isn't a supercar, when was the last time anyone took one of those down to track to race?

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: SithSolo1

Originally posted by: potato28
Not even close... as I have heard from Top Gear a super car has to be something that a 10 year old would imagine

Funny you mention that...Linklulz

From the bold quote on the 2nd page:

every inch of it meeting the exacting requirements of a day-dreaming 10-year-old.

That isn't wild enough IMO, needs to be something like the Zonda, or the Veyron where it costs so much that only a select few can have them but when you see one its like a blessing. The GT-R seems more like a replacement for the 350z as a more luxurious and faster replacement.

 

[Jephph]

Not a supercar.

 

[996GT2]

Originally posted by: Pariah

thanks for the name calling personal attack there richUK.

show me what i said that classifies me an idiot.

Probably the part where you basically denied the existence of anything outside the US. No, a 286HP US Evo is not going to keep up with a GT-R, but in the UK, where I'm guessing RichUK is from, there is a 400HP Evo (FQ400). That car will very likely not only keep up with a GT-R on the track, but beat it in the corners as well. The GT-R will have the higher top speed (Evo is a rally car which has no need for 200 MPH), but that's about the most worthless measure of a car's performace.

Just as performance alone doesn't make one a supercar, neither does price. Of course a Rolls Royce isn't a supercar, when was the last time anyone took one of those down to track to race?

I doubt the FQ400 can beat a GT-R on a track. It's down on power slightly compared to the GT-R and takes longer to accelerate to 60 (3.5 vs 3.3). Also, that 2 liter 4 cylinder is going to have one heck of a time spooling up a turbo big enough to make 400HP (Top Gear confirmed this), whereas the GT-R is known to have almost no turbo lag.

Some track numbers:

The Evo FQ400 hasn't been tested on the same track as the GT-R yet, but it's possible to infer based on what cars it's slower than.

For example: Anglesey (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track5.html)

3. Lamborghini Gallardo 49.69 ´03 500hp / 1613kg
4. BMW M3 CSL (E46) 50.8 ´03 360 / 1385
5. Mitsubishi Evo VIII FQ400 52.48 ´05 405 / 1483
6. Porsche 997 Carrera S 52.60 ´04 355 / 1420

On a recent Best Motoring, the R35 GT-R was tested against the Gallardo Superleggera, 997 Turbo, and 997 GT3, all of which are faster than the counterparts listed above. If the GT-R can beat both Porsches with ease and keep up very well with the Superleggera (only .3 sec behind), then I don't see how the Evo FQ400 can beat the GT-R on the track when it can't even beat a standard Gallardo.

GT-R: 1'01"931
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera: 530HP, 1360kg-1'01"599
Porsche 997 GT3: 415hp, 1395kg-1'05"173
Porsche 997 Turbo: 480hp, 1585kg-1'05"226

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: 996GT2

Originally posted by: Pariah

thanks for the name calling personal attack there richUK.

show me what i said that classifies me an idiot.

Probably the part where you basically denied the existence of anything outside the US. No, a 286HP US Evo is not going to keep up with a GT-R, but in the UK, where I'm guessing RichUK is from, there is a 400HP Evo (FQ400). That car will very likely not only keep up with a GT-R on the track, but beat it in the corners as well. The GT-R will have the higher top speed (Evo is a rally car which has no need for 200 MPH), but that's about the most worthless measure of a car's performace.

Just as performance alone doesn't make one a supercar, neither does price. Of course a Rolls Royce isn't a supercar, when was the last time anyone took one of those down to track to race?

I doubt the FQ400 can beat a GT-R on a track. It's down on power slightly compared to the GT-R and takes longer to accelerate to 60 (3.5 vs 3.3). Also, that 2 liter 4 cylinder is going to have one heck of a time spooling up a turbo big enough to make 400HP (Top Gear confirmed this), whereas the GT-R is known to have almost no turbo lag.

Some track numbers:

The Evo FQ400 hasn't been tested on the same track as the GT-R yet, but it's possible to infer based on what cars it's slower than.

For example: Anglesey (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track5.html)

3. Lamborghini Gallardo 49.69 ´03 500hp / 1613kg
4. BMW M3 CSL (E46) 50.8 ´03 360 / 1385
5. Mitsubishi Evo VIII FQ400 52.48 ´05 405 / 1483
6. Porsche 997 Carrera S 52.60 ´04 355 / 1420

On a recent Best Motoring, the R35 GT-R was tested against the Gallardo Superleggera, 997 Turbo, and 997 GT3, all of which are faster than the counterparts listed above. If the GT-R can beat both Porsches with ease and keep up very well with the Superleggera (only .3 sec behind), then I don't see how the Evo FQ400 can beat the GT-R on the track when it can't even beat a standard Gallardo.

GT-R: 1'01"931
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera: 530HP, 1360kg-1'01"599
Porsche 997 GT3: 415hp, 1395kg-1'05"173
Porsche 997 Turbo: 480hp, 1585kg-1'05"226

thank you. the bolded part is the key reason why the Evo will not be faster than a GT-R in any track other than maybe auto-x.

 

[natto fire]

IMO, no.

I am not sure how I feel after skimming through others opinions, but I am definitely feeling some wow.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: 996GT2

Originally posted by: Pariah

thanks for the name calling personal attack there richUK.

show me what i said that classifies me an idiot.

Probably the part where you basically denied the existence of anything outside the US. No, a 286HP US Evo is not going to keep up with a GT-R, but in the UK, where I'm guessing RichUK is from, there is a 400HP Evo (FQ400). That car will very likely not only keep up with a GT-R on the track, but beat it in the corners as well. The GT-R will have the higher top speed (Evo is a rally car which has no need for 200 MPH), but that's about the most worthless measure of a car's performace.

Just as performance alone doesn't make one a supercar, neither does price. Of course a Rolls Royce isn't a supercar, when was the last time anyone took one of those down to track to race?

I doubt the FQ400 can beat a GT-R on a track. It's down on power slightly compared to the GT-R and takes longer to accelerate to 60 (3.5 vs 3.3). Also, that 2 liter 4 cylinder is going to have one heck of a time spooling up a turbo big enough to make 400HP (Top Gear confirmed this), whereas the GT-R is known to have almost no turbo lag.

Some track numbers:

The Evo FQ400 hasn't been tested on the same track as the GT-R yet, but it's possible to infer based on what cars it's slower than.

For example: Anglesey (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track5.html)

3. Lamborghini Gallardo 49.69 ´03 500hp / 1613kg
4. BMW M3 CSL (E46) 50.8 ´03 360 / 1385
5. Mitsubishi Evo VIII FQ400 52.48 ´05 405 / 1483
6. Porsche 997 Carrera S 52.60 ´04 355 / 1420

On a recent Best Motoring, the R35 GT-R was tested against the Gallardo Superleggera, 997 Turbo, and 997 GT3, all of which are faster than the counterparts listed above. If the GT-R can beat both Porsches with ease and keep up very well with the Superleggera (only .3 sec behind), then I don't see how the Evo FQ400 can beat the GT-R on the track when it can't even beat a standard Gallardo.

GT-R: 1'01"931
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera: 530HP, 1360kg-1'01"599
Porsche 997 GT3: 415hp, 1395kg-1'05"173
Porsche 997 Turbo: 480hp, 1585kg-1'05"226

thank you. the bolded part is the key reason why the Evo will not be faster than a GT-R in any track other than maybe auto-x.

No, that's actually irrelevant. That Top Gear clipped only proved that if you have no idea how to drive, don't buy a car with a big turbo. I like how you conveniently make no reference to part of the show before that clip where it is easily keeping up with a Murciélago. Thus showing what the car is really capable of when not driven by a moron who doesn't know how to keep the car in the power band.

And while we're magazine racing cars by pulling random track time comparisons from the internet, here is the Top Gear Power Lap board which shows the Evo ahead of the Gallardo:

Power Board

On a course that doesn't have any especially long straights, the Evo would hold its own against a GT-R. Having an over 500lbs weight advantage will certainly help the Evo in the corners as well.

 

[halik]

Hells no, it's every ricers wet dream tho (same as R thirty...ohhhh...ohhhhhhh... i just came...four :roll🙂. The interior on that thing is fugly btw... I'd much rather take a vette or better yet an audi r8 (which I've ridden in btw )

 

[Kromis]

Originally posted by: halik
Hells no, it's every ricers wet dream tho (same as R thirty...ohhhh...ohhhhhhh... i just came...four :roll🙂. The interior on that thing is fugly btw... I'd much rather take a vette or better yet an audi r8 (which I've ridden in btw )

:laugh: :laugh:

 

[996GT2]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: 996GT2

Originally posted by: Pariah

thanks for the name calling personal attack there richUK.

show me what i said that classifies me an idiot.

Probably the part where you basically denied the existence of anything outside the US. No, a 286HP US Evo is not going to keep up with a GT-R, but in the UK, where I'm guessing RichUK is from, there is a 400HP Evo (FQ400). That car will very likely not only keep up with a GT-R on the track, but beat it in the corners as well. The GT-R will have the higher top speed (Evo is a rally car which has no need for 200 MPH), but that's about the most worthless measure of a car's performace.

Just as performance alone doesn't make one a supercar, neither does price. Of course a Rolls Royce isn't a supercar, when was the last time anyone took one of those down to track to race?

I doubt the FQ400 can beat a GT-R on a track. It's down on power slightly compared to the GT-R and takes longer to accelerate to 60 (3.5 vs 3.3). Also, that 2 liter 4 cylinder is going to have one heck of a time spooling up a turbo big enough to make 400HP (Top Gear confirmed this), whereas the GT-R is known to have almost no turbo lag.

Some track numbers:

The Evo FQ400 hasn't been tested on the same track as the GT-R yet, but it's possible to infer based on what cars it's slower than.

For example: Anglesey (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track5.html)

3. Lamborghini Gallardo 49.69 ´03 500hp / 1613kg
4. BMW M3 CSL (E46) 50.8 ´03 360 / 1385
5. Mitsubishi Evo VIII FQ400 52.48 ´05 405 / 1483
6. Porsche 997 Carrera S 52.60 ´04 355 / 1420

On a recent Best Motoring, the R35 GT-R was tested against the Gallardo Superleggera, 997 Turbo, and 997 GT3, all of which are faster than the counterparts listed above. If the GT-R can beat both Porsches with ease and keep up very well with the Superleggera (only .3 sec behind), then I don't see how the Evo FQ400 can beat the GT-R on the track when it can't even beat a standard Gallardo.

GT-R: 1'01"931
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera: 530HP, 1360kg-1'01"599
Porsche 997 GT3: 415hp, 1395kg-1'05"173
Porsche 997 Turbo: 480hp, 1585kg-1'05"226

thank you. the bolded part is the key reason why the Evo will not be faster than a GT-R in any track other than maybe auto-x.

No, that's actually irrelevant. That Top Gear clipped only proved that if you have no idea how to drive, don't buy a car with a big turbo. I like how you conveniently make no reference to part of the show before that clip where it is easily keeping up with a Murciélago. Thus showing what the car is really capable of when not driven by a moron who doesn't know how to keep the car in the power band.

And while we're magazine racing cars by pulling random track time comparisons from the internet, here is the Top Gear Power Lap board which shows the Evo ahead of the Gallardo:

Power Board

On a course that doesn't have any especially long straights, the Evo would hold its own against a GT-R. Having an over 500lbs weight advantage will certainly help the Evo in the corners as well.

Try Tsukuba Circuit, maybe? The GT-R is the second fastest production car of all time, beating the F40, Gallardo, Porsche GT2, and just about any other European exotic.

Now let's assume the Evo FQ400 COULD keep up with a GT-R on a track. What exactly would that prove? That a fully tuned, £50000 Evo with a huge turbo screwed onto its 4 banger can barely keep up with a stock GT-R? Put even a lightly tuned GT-R like the Amuse or MINEs against that Evo and it would get downright destroyed on the track. IMO the Evo's engine isn't any more than a "ricer" Honda I4 with a giant turbo screwed on...it's not hard to take a small I4, screw on a giant turbo, and make an engine that produces little usable torque south of 4000 RPMs (The FQ400 makes max torque of 355 ft lb at 5000RPM).

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: 996GT2

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: 996GT2

Originally posted by: Pariah

thanks for the name calling personal attack there richUK.

show me what i said that classifies me an idiot.

Probably the part where you basically denied the existence of anything outside the US. No, a 286HP US Evo is not going to keep up with a GT-R, but in the UK, where I'm guessing RichUK is from, there is a 400HP Evo (FQ400). That car will very likely not only keep up with a GT-R on the track, but beat it in the corners as well. The GT-R will have the higher top speed (Evo is a rally car which has no need for 200 MPH), but that's about the most worthless measure of a car's performace.

Just as performance alone doesn't make one a supercar, neither does price. Of course a Rolls Royce isn't a supercar, when was the last time anyone took one of those down to track to race?

I doubt the FQ400 can beat a GT-R on a track. It's down on power slightly compared to the GT-R and takes longer to accelerate to 60 (3.5 vs 3.3). Also, that 2 liter 4 cylinder is going to have one heck of a time spooling up a turbo big enough to make 400HP (Top Gear confirmed this), whereas the GT-R is known to have almost no turbo lag.

Some track numbers:

The Evo FQ400 hasn't been tested on the same track as the GT-R yet, but it's possible to infer based on what cars it's slower than.

For example: Anglesey (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track5.html)

3. Lamborghini Gallardo 49.69 ´03 500hp / 1613kg
4. BMW M3 CSL (E46) 50.8 ´03 360 / 1385
5. Mitsubishi Evo VIII FQ400 52.48 ´05 405 / 1483
6. Porsche 997 Carrera S 52.60 ´04 355 / 1420

On a recent Best Motoring, the R35 GT-R was tested against the Gallardo Superleggera, 997 Turbo, and 997 GT3, all of which are faster than the counterparts listed above. If the GT-R can beat both Porsches with ease and keep up very well with the Superleggera (only .3 sec behind), then I don't see how the Evo FQ400 can beat the GT-R on the track when it can't even beat a standard Gallardo.

GT-R: 1'01"931
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera: 530HP, 1360kg-1'01"599
Porsche 997 GT3: 415hp, 1395kg-1'05"173
Porsche 997 Turbo: 480hp, 1585kg-1'05"226

thank you. the bolded part is the key reason why the Evo will not be faster than a GT-R in any track other than maybe auto-x.

No, that's actually irrelevant. That Top Gear clipped only proved that if you have no idea how to drive, don't buy a car with a big turbo. I like how you conveniently make no reference to part of the show before that clip where it is easily keeping up with a Murciélago. Thus showing what the car is really capable of when not driven by a moron who doesn't know how to keep the car in the power band.

And while we're magazine racing cars by pulling random track time comparisons from the internet, here is the Top Gear Power Lap board which shows the Evo ahead of the Gallardo:

Power Board

On a course that doesn't have any especially long straights, the Evo would hold its own against a GT-R. Having an over 500lbs weight advantage will certainly help the Evo in the corners as well.

Try Tsukuba Circuit, maybe? The GT-R is the second fastest production car of all time, beating the F40, Gallardo, Porsche GT2, and just about any other European exotic.

Now let's assume the Evo FQ400 COULD keep up with a GT-R on a track. What exactly would that prove? That a fully tuned, £50000 Evo with a huge turbo screwed onto its 4 banger can barely keep up with a stock GT-R? Put even a lightly tuned GT-R like the Amuse or MINEs against that Evo and it would get downright destroyed on the track. IMO the Evo's engine isn't any more than a "ricer" Honda I4 with a giant turbo screwed on...it's not hard to take a small I4, screw on a giant turbo, and make an engine that produces little usable torque south of 4000 RPMs (The FQ400 makes max torque of 355 ft lb at 5000RPM).

Fully tuned? :laugh:

It seems each point Pariah has presented has gone swiftly over your head.

 

[Pariah]

Relax Speedracer. The only point was that the comment above that "the GT-R pwns Evo in any generation and trim." is blindly ignorant. On a road course where top speed potential is not the issue, it would be a driver's race between a stock FQ400 (it's a factory car, not a tuner) and a stock GT-R. That's all. As a DD, the Evo is probably a complete piece of garbage. The cars are completely different, and if you like one, you're likely to hate the other one. Personally, I don't like either one, so if you refuse to recognize the track potential of an Evo, it matters not me.

 

[JulesMaximus]

No

 

[alkemyst]

lots of crybaby fanboy types here. Most do not know the real definition of a 'supercar'.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
lots of crybaby fanboy types here. Most do not know the real definition of a 'supercar'.

:roll: Great - the "real" racer is here to edu-ma-cate the rest of us.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: Pariah
Relax Speedracer. The only point was that the comment above that "the GT-R pwns Evo in any generation and trim." is blindly ignorant. On a road course where top speed potential is not the issue, it would be a driver's race between a stock FQ400 (it's a factory car, not a tuner) and a stock GT-R. That's all. As a DD, the Evo is probably a complete piece of garbage. The cars are completely different, and if you like one, you're likely to hate the other one. Personally, I don't like either one, so if you refuse to recognize the track potential of an Evo, it matters not me.

GT-R and Evo never been raced together on the same tracks. you and i are both speculating, except my speculations are based on times on tracks that the Evo and Z06/911T have raced and the Evo has lost to those.
the GT-R has beaten both of those cars in EVERY track they've been compared on.
it's a pretty safe assumption to say the GT-R will beat the EVO MFQR40000 or whatever version.

you make it sound like the GT-R is all about power and straight line, the heaviness will limit it in the turns, etc. you couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: alkemyst
lots of crybaby fanboy types here. Most do not know the real definition of a 'supercar'.

:roll: Great - the "real" racer is here to edu-ma-cate the rest of us.

Can't educate the retarded, but feel free to enlighten us.